Inching Towards Normalcy

We’re about 9 weeks into the Great American Shut Down and maybe, just maybe we’re starting to see a light at the end of this tunnel? To help us parse this, call on an actual scientist, our good friend from Stanford Medicine, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya who helped write the Santa Clara Study and the just released MLB study. We discuss where we are now, where we might be going, the strategies different states are employing, and yes, at bit of the politics around all of this. And will we see the return of college and pro sports any time soon? You’ll have to tune in for the answer to that one. Also, a Ricochet first time poster gets the highly-coveted, much sought after Lileks Post of The Week badge, and we pay tribute to the great Reverend Richard Penniman. He was built for speed and good golly, we’ll miss him.

Music from this week’s podcast: Long Tall Sally by Little Richard

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Hammer, The (View Comment):

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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I’m a severe asthmatic, so I guess I’m in that 100 million. But I’ll worry about me. Go on. Do you.

    Amen to that. Same boat here. I’ll take care of myself, thanks.

    That is appreciated. [Edited to correct my mistake] Severe asthmatics are at a higher risk of harm from a great many things and generally don’t expect society to turn itself on its head. The idea of individuals seeking individual solutions, however, has led to a great many wonderful and life-saving innovations.

    Would that people with various food allergies, especially nuts, could be so tolerant.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    I thought this was a good way to look at risk management on how to get past this crisis, but you guys are all smarter than me. Start at 1:35:00. Dan Proft Show.  

     

    Oklahoma State’s Steve Trost’s risk management strategy to defeat #COVID19.

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  3. rdowhower Member
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    I’m still waiting for Rob to admit that he was wrong initially when he was freaking out and saying everyone had to stay home and shut things down.  Once conservatives like Rob, and he was by no means alone, started jumping on Trump about taking drastic measures, thus joining the mainstream media narrative, the president had no choice but to be overly cautious and start hedging his bets.  Recall initially Trump was his usual overconfident self and likely would have advocated a more moderate approach but for the crazed fear mongering.  I guess I should be happy that Rob at least recognizes that what has been needed all along is good old fashioned manliness. 

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  4. Kevin Inactive
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    I find it interesting that many on the right are in the lets open up camp and the no mask, no contact tracing camp.  Some interesting psychology there.  I think too many people are suffering from lock downs for it to continue but I expect to see this as an ongoing problem for many months.  People keep celebrating  Georgia or Florida but its too early to know if they are making a huge mistake.

    I was disappointed to find out that the herd immunity is likely not going to happen as relatively few have been exposed.  That is great for showing the lockdowns did something, but depressing that we will open up and stay at risk.

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  5. Kevin Inactive
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    Hammer, The (View Comment):

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    I believe Americans are smart enough to read all of it and make up their own minds.

     

    Yep. Which is why I said that in the lack of an overwhelming consensus, we err on the side of liberty. There are a lot of experts who think “the science is settled” on global warming, too. I wouldn’t stop them from using paper straws. I have a problem when they petition the government to force acceptance of their beliefs. I’ve said multiple times, wear a mask if it makes you feel better. I will not be wearing one, even to “just be polite.” It is not my responsibility to make sure everyone feels safe.

    This is only possible because it turns out this is not a very dangerous virus for most people.  If it had a death rate of 10% across the entire population your liberty might put my child at risk so you would have to suffer the indignity of complying with something you disagreed with.  There are not good general principles here as we muddle through.  We are lucky this turned out to be less lethal than feared.   Next time we might be making some very big trade offs.  

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  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    Kevin (View Comment):

    Hammer, The (View Comment):

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    I believe Americans are smart enough to read all of it and make up their own minds.

     

    Yep. Which is why I said that in the lack of an overwhelming consensus, we err on the side of liberty. There are a lot of experts who think “the science is settled” on global warming, too. I wouldn’t stop them from using paper straws. I have a problem when they petition the government to force acceptance of their beliefs. I’ve said multiple times, wear a mask if it makes you feel better. I will not be wearing one, even to “just be polite.” It is not my responsibility to make sure everyone feels safe.

    This is only possible because it turns out this is not a very dangerous virus for most people. If it had a death rate of 10% across the entire population your liberty might put my child at risk so you would have to suffer the indignity of complying with something you disagreed with. There are not good general principles here as we muddle through. We are lucky this turned out to be less lethal than feared. Next time we might be making some very big trade offs.

    Jonah Goldberg has made the point a few times that our reaction to this pandemic, and the politics of it, would be completely different if the hardest hit group of fatalities was children instead of “the elderly”.

    He’s certainly not wrong, and the reasons why we react differently seem obvious, even if they don’t really fit into an “equal rights for all” dogma.

     

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Maybe third time’s the charm, devodivo?

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  8. devodivo Member
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    devodivo (View Comment):
    In my business (healthcare and public health including Covid Testing) I regularly require transcripts of audio presentations. After listening today I decided to order up one for myself. I should have it by Tuesday sometime. I am happy to share it with the ricochetti as soon as I have it in hand.

     

    If someone else is doing this and can deliver it sooner than I can. Let me know. I would be happy to use yours :-)

     

     

    Here is link to transcript of Ricochet Podcast 469 w Dr. Bhattacharya

     

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  9. Arahant Member
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    devodivo (View Comment):
    Here is link to transcript of Ricochet Podcast 469 w Dr. Bhattacharya

    Good of you to do that. Thank you.

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  10. Blue Yeti Admin
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Maybe third time’s the charm, devodivo?

    Not his fault.  It was mine, actually.

    Here is the transcript @devodivo had made. Thanks for doing this. Very much appreciate it.

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  11. Mark Camp Member
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    devodivo (View Comment):

    devodivo (View Comment):
    In my business (healthcare and public health including Covid Testing) I regularly require transcripts of audio presentations. After listening today I decided to order up one for myself. I should have it by Tuesday sometime. I am happy to share it with the ricochetti as soon as I have it in hand.

    If someone else is doing this and can deliver it sooner than I can. Let me know. I would be happy to use yours :-)

    Here is link to transcript of Ricochet Podcast 469 w Dr. Bhattacharya

    Thanks!

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