Hullaballoon

There’s no other way to put it: the viral video showing Tyre Nichols vicious beating at the hands of Memphis police officers was shocking and despicable. Rafael Mangual — the head of research for the Policing and Public Safety Initiative at the Manhattan Institute — joins James, Peter and Steve to explain why activists and politicians are wrong to see this as a vindication of their insistence on policies that are sure to exacerbate the problem.

Our hosts also get to applaud Republicans playing offense on education and committee selections; they muse on the laptop formerly known as Russian disinformation; and can’t help but get swept away by the Chinese spy balloon.

This Week’s Closing Song: 99 Luftballons by Nena:

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  1. BDB Inactive
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    I hope this laptop / property guestion gets answered in short order: I understand that, similar to mechanic’s lien, the laptop became the property of the repair shop owner after enough time had elapsed.

    Yes, as Lileks said.

     

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    @peterrobinson, I would say that McCarthy’s so far alright performance is because of, not despite the narrowness of the majority.

    This is the same reason that the HFC-20 thing was good for all Republicans, not an “embarrassment”.  Yes, as Hayward says.  The House fight was a Good Thing, and ninnies like Dan Crenshaw are stuck in Romneyland.  That is the past, and will not return.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Liked the end.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    @ peterrobinson, I would say that McCarthy’s so far alright performance is because of, not despite the narrowness of the majority.

    This is the same reason that the HFC-20 thing was good for all Republicans, not an “embarrassment”. Yes, as Hayward says. The House fight was a Good Thing, and ninnies like Dan Crenshaw are stuck in Romneyland. That is the past, and will not return.

    Hopefully.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Ricochet Audio Network: There’s no other way to put it: the viral video showing Tyre Nichols vicious beating at the hands of Memphis police officers was shocking and despicable.

    I remember the pre-podcast announcement called it the “killing” of Tyre Nichols, which was a refreshing change from referring to the “killing” or even “murder” of George Floyd which was nonsense.

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  6. James Lileks Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Liked the end.

    ;)

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I hope this laptop / property guestion gets answered in short order: I understand that, similar to mechanic’s lien, the laptop became the property of the repair shop owner after enough time had elapsed.

    Yes, as Lileks said.

     

    Parsing it to claim that the shop owned the laptop but not the contents of the laptop, is typical Dimocrat skullduggery.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Before you pay cops a lot more money, they need to be held to equal and high standards, not lowered standards that are lowered just to allow more of certain groups to get through where they wouldn’t have before.

    And yes, IF a group of white cops had done the same thing, the media would be all over it, etc.  But my argument would be that white cops would be far less likely to do it.  Largely because they wouldn’t have slipped past lowered standards.  And research even shows that white cops are more reluctant to use force against black suspects because of how they might be treated by the media, their own departments, etc.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    What was that, Rafael Mangual?  “The George Floyd murder?”

    Feh.

    Get out of here.

    And don’t let the screen door hit ya…

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Before you pay cops a lot more money, they need to be held to equal and high standards, not lowered standards that are lowered just to allow more of certain groups to get through where they wouldn’t have before.

    I get that trademen advocate for more pay as the first solution to any problem (bad teaching, bad policing, bad doctoring, bad lawmaking,….), but tax payers have to be smarter and export more.  I don’t think that statistic of 1 in 1000 Americans (on average) will have a violent interaction with a government agent is a good thing.

    I think we need some innovations in equipment, lots of training, and a P.R. campaign to that people trust cops and cops trust people.   With proper training, George Floyd would not have died with a grinning Chauvin on his back.  Cities also should apologize for using cops/ticketing as a revenue source and shutting down businesses for Covid silliness.  People have to taught how to work with police.   Cities are not going to fix this, because they don’t want to fix this.  Red states are going to have to fix this and that will put pressure on the Blue states to do better. 

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Before you pay cops a lot more money, they need to be held to equal and high standards, not lowered standards that are lowered just to allow more of certain groups to get through where they wouldn’t have before.

    I get that trademen advocate for more pay as the first solution to any problem (bad teaching, bad policing, bad doctoring, bad lawmaking,….), but tax payers have to be smarter and export more. I don’t think that statistic of 1 in 1000 Americans (on average) will have a violent interaction with a government agent is a good thing.

    I think we need some innovations in equipment, lots of training, and a P.R. campaign to that people trust cops and cops trust people. With proper training, George Floyd would not have died with a grinning Chauvin on his back. Cities also should apologize for using cops/ticketing as a revenue source and shutting down businesses for Covid silliness. People have to taught how to work with police. Cities are not going to fix this, because they don’t want to fix this. Red states are going to have to fix this and that will put pressure on the Blue states to do better.

    Personally, I think cops should be legally allowed to shoot people who fight or even run.

    But I recognize I’m an outlier on that.

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  12. Bishop Wash Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Liked the end.

    Agreed. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    People have to taught how to work with police. 

    This part is kinda open.  Do you mean that people should understand how they’re supposed to behave, but if they decide to run, fight, grab for the cop’s gun, etc, they should be allowed to get away with it?

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  14. kedavis Coolidge
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    Ricochet Audio Network: Closing song: 99 Luftballons by Nena

    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

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  15. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

    We noticed. In fact, it was even announced.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

    We noticed. In fact, it was even announced.

    Yes, but still listed in the “show notes.”  Which presumably came later.

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  17. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

    We noticed. In fact, it was even announced.

    Yes, but still listed in the “show notes.” Which presumably came later.

    Or maybe it was a joke?

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    With proper training, George Floyd would not have died with a grinning Chauvin on his back. 

    So, Nick Sandmann smiling proved that he was guilty too?  Strange, I seem to remember the court ruling going the other way.  But maybe we live in different universes.

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

    We noticed. In fact, it was even announced.

    Yes, but still listed in the “show notes.” Which presumably came later.

    Or maybe it was a joke?

    The joke was contained within the podcast, although ruined at the end.

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  20. EJHill Podcaster
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    Actually, there never again will be a closing song. The licensing agencies – ASCAP, BMI and SESAC – are being more aggressive about enforcing copyrights. While computers and the Internet make this all possible it also makes it easier for those organizations to scan shows with an algorithm and identify music. It’s why both London Calling and GLoP Culture got their own themes (the former was purchased from a music library, the latter was composed for the show.) 

    To qualify for “fair use” there must be direct commentary on the music. We may still curate a music choice but it will be a YouTube link and you can mix the end of the show in your own mind.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Actually, there never again will be a closing song. The licensing agencies – ASCAP, BMI and SESAC – are being more aggressive about enforcing copyrights. While computers and the Internet make this all possible it also makes it easier for those organizations to scan shows with an algorithm and identify music. It’s why both London Calling and GLoP Culture got their own themes (the former was purchased from a music library, the latter was composed for the show.)

    To qualify for “fair use” there must be direct commentary on the music. We may still curate a music choice but it will be a YouTube link and you can mix the end of the show in your own mind.

    Oh, and here I thought you’d done the licensing thing, which shouldn’t cost much for as little as gets used.

    Does this mean you’ll be going back and removing the closing songs from all the previous episodes?

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  22. Samuel Block Support
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    So many people listened, and nobody noticed that there was no closing song?

    We noticed. In fact, it was even announced.

    Yes, but still listed in the “show notes.” Which presumably came later.

    Or maybe it was a joke?

    We’re hopelessly nostalgic for the days when we could end with a closing song without much thought about getting flagged (or sued!) for copyright infringement. Bring back the tunes, man! 

    I should probably call it song of the week.

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  23. EJHill Podcaster
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    kedavis:  Oh, and here I thought you’d done the licensing thing, which shouldn’t cost much for as little as gets used.

    Shouldn’t cost much? Well, it’s hard to put a price on something that they won’t sell you. The agencies offer two types of licenses. The first is a broadcast/streaming license. That’s where the show can be listened to but not downloaded.

    If it’s downloaded you need what’s called a mechanical license. It’s the same type of licensing for soundtrack use. Apple Music and Spotify have a modified mechanical license that allows subscribers to download and listen to music offline but if you cancel the subscription the music deletes itself the first time your device hits the internet. 

     

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    kedavis: Oh, and here I thought you’d done the licensing thing, which shouldn’t cost much for as little as gets used.

    Shouldn’t cost much? Well, it’s hard to put a price on something that they won’t sell you. The agencies offer two types of licenses. The first is a broadcast/streaming license. That’s where the show can be listened to but not downloaded.

    If it’s downloaded you need what’s called a mechanical license. It’s the same type of licensing for soundtrack use. Apple Music and Spotify have a modified mechanical license that allows subscribers to download and listen to music offline but if you cancel the subscription the music deletes itself the first time your device hits the internet.

     

    If those are the only two options, what you’re saying is that CDs, LP records etc, are no longer being sold.

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  25. Bishop Wash Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Actually, there never again will be a closing song. The licensing agencies – ASCAP, BMI and SESAC – are being more aggressive about enforcing copyrights. While computers and the Internet make this all possible it also makes it easier for those organizations to scan shows with an algorithm and identify music. It’s why both London Calling and GLoP Culture got their own themes (the former was purchased from a music library, the latter was composed for the show.)

    To qualify for “fair use” there must be direct commentary on the music. We may still curate a music choice but it will be a YouTube link and you can mix the end of the show in your own mind.

    Well that sucks. Is there a time limit? Could you play 10 to 30 seconds to give us a flavor? The Man ruins everything. 

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  26. EJHill Podcaster
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    kedavisIf those are the only two options, what you’re saying is that CDs, LP records etc, are no longer being sold.

    No. We’re talking about internet distribution. Are you suggesting that we distribute the show on CD or vinyl? Quite frankly that really goes against the business model.

    And those products are produced under a mechanical license. It also marks the difference between iTunes and Apple Music. One is a store where you are purchasing something and the other is a stream on demand rental service.

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  27. EJHill Podcaster
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    Bishop WashWell that sucks. Is there a time limit? Could you play 10 to 30 seconds to give us a flavor? The Man ruins everything.

    No. And if you do use it under fair use – let’s say a famous musician were to die and you played a snippet of his music – the algorithms used to flag the music are incapable of providing context. Then you still get flagged and have to go through an appeals procedure to clear it. It’s really more bother than it’s worth. 

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  28. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Actually, there never again will be a closing song. The licensing agencies – ASCAP, BMI and SESAC – are being more aggressive about enforcing copyrights. While computers and the Internet make this all possible it also makes it easier for those organizations to scan shows with an algorithm and identify music. It’s why both London Calling and GLoP Culture got their own themes (the former was purchased from a music library, the latter was composed for the show.)

    To qualify for “fair use” there must be direct commentary on the music. We may still curate a music choice but it will be a YouTube link and you can mix the end of the show in your own mind.

    Well that sucks. Is there a time limit? Could you play 10 to 30 seconds to give us a flavor? The Man ruins everything.

    You don’t get much from 10 or 30 seconds of “99 Luftballoons.”

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  29. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    People have to taught how to work with police. 

    This part is kinda open.  Do you mean that people should understand how they’re supposed to behave,

    Supposed to behave.   Stop with the Covid public service announcements and pay Chris Rock to write ads for how to work with cops during a traffic stop or getting detained/arrested.  

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    People have to taught how to work with police.

    This part is kinda open. Do you mean that people should understand how they’re supposed to behave,

    Supposed to behave. Stop with the Covid public service announcements and pay Chris Rock to write ads for how to work with cops during a traffic stop or getting detained/arrested.

    Yes, but, the second part of my question was, if they DON’T behave, should they just be allowed to run away, or drive away, or whatever, because to do anything else to stop them requires some violence from the police?

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