Event Horizon

This week on America’s Most Trustworthy Podcast®, we talk about the meaning of the word “spying” and try to determine exactly what the definition is. Then, a bracing and brilliant discussion on reparations with the great Shelby Steele, who unlike most candidates for President, actually knows something about it. Then, our long time amigo Arthur Brooks calls in to talk about his new book, Love Your Enemies; How Decent People Can Save America from the Culture of Contempt. Actually, come to think of it, we really don’t like Arthur. Finally, some thoughts on the newly photographed Black Hole, and tomorrow is Record Store Day and to celebrate, we asked the hosts what the first record they ever bought was. What was yours? Tell us in the comments.

Music from this week’s show: Supermassive Black Hole by Muse

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  1. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Let’s say I had a large “supply” of buggy whips. Or heck, even Betamax VCRs. How much of a “demand” do you think that would create? “Supply creates its own demand” strikes me as very oversimplified, at the very least.

    Let’s say you did. There are still markets for these products – even if the customers and uses cases change. Whips are still made – there is still plenty of betamax tapes out there to be digitized.

    Look at the Ford Motor Company. Some say it was the interstate highway act that made Henry Ford rich – except that he died 9 years before it passed. It was the inexpensive availability of motor cars that destroyed the established horse based transportation model – and made the highway system possible. It is both an example of supply creating demand, and of a successful disruption of a well established industry.

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  2. Randy Webster Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Never had a Krispy Kreme, probably never will.

    This is a serious mistake.

    But I have had bunny-rabbit. Does that help?

    No.  You owe it to yourself to have a Krispy Kreme donut at least once in you life.

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  3. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    J Ro (View Comment):

    Suppose some of my ancestors acquired some of your ancestors (from some of your other ancestors) and took them to America to be slaves. Then suppose this inhumane but relatively short-lived cultural behavior actually “improved” the chances that future offspring of your ancestors would survive and thrive long into the future.

    I don’t see how this outcome doesn’t count as a win-win. That is up to this point. Nobody knows how it will play out in the future. …

    Well I’m confident that you don’t want to be making any public comments that slavery turned out pretty well for black people.

    Really? Well then it obviously isn’t being talked about enough. It’s no secret that slavery is still being practiced in Africa, among other negatives compared to life in the free, democratic, and wealthy US.

    Has anyone commented yet about the black on black slavery in the US, or the American Indian enslavement of AIs, blacks, and whites? If we must talk about reparations then these little narrative busters must be part of the search for truth and reconciliation.

    I bet if you asked around, including/especially in black neighborhoods, many/most WOULDN’T know, or believe, that slavery still exists in Africa. (To black nationalists especially, “Africa is Paradise!”) And who would dare teach them otherwise?

    Jonah had some good discussion on this in his Remnant podcast from March 15, 2018.

     

    The December, 2017 issue of Scientific American includes Catherine M. Cameron’s “How Captives Changed the World”, which is chiefly concerned with the hair-raising story of slavery in pre-Columbian America.  

    Archaeologists are only beginning to learn how to recognize slavery in preliterate societies; for example, graveyards full of young women with signs of abuse.  (In primitive warfare, men of an enemy tribe are usually killed and sometimes eaten.)

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Never had a Krispy Kreme, probably never will.

    This is a serious mistake.

    But I have had bunny-rabbit. Does that help?

    No. You owe it to yourself to have a Krispy Kreme donut at least once in you life.

    I just don’t find them appealing.  I like several other kinds of donuts, such as lemon-filled, raspberry-filled, maple frosted…  As far as I’ve seen, Krispy Kreme doesn’t have any of those.  Plus I go to Kroger at about 7:30pm and get them for half price or less.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Let’s say I had a large “supply” of buggy whips. Or heck, even Betamax VCRs. How much of a “demand” do you think that would create? “Supply creates its own demand” strikes me as very oversimplified, at the very least.

    Let’s say you did. There are still markets for these products – even if the customers and uses cases change. Whips are still made – there is still plenty of betamax tapes out there to be digitized.

    Look at the Ford Motor Company. Some say it was the interstate highway act that made Henry Ford rich – except that he died 9 years before it passed. It was the inexpensive availability of motor cars that destroyed the established horse based transportation model – and made the highway system possible. It is both an example of supply creating demand, and of a successful disruption of a well established industry.

    Seems like “demand” is being confused with actual “consumption.”  They aren’t exactly the same.  Anyway motor-cars existed before Henry Ford, so it could be argued that the “demand” in that case also preceded “supply.”

    One point I found in the various articles on Say’s Law, that seems obvious, is that Say dismisses the concept of money itself as a “commodity.”  In some ways, all “commodities” are stored value, and so is money.  That money hasn’t been spent or exchanged – yet – doesn’t mean it has no value.  Say’s Law seems to argue otherwise.

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  6. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Let’s say I had a large “supply” of buggy whips. Or heck, even Betamax VCRs. How much of a “demand” do you think that would create? “Supply creates its own demand” strikes me as very oversimplified, at the very least.

    Let’s say you did. There are still markets for these products – even if the customers and uses cases change. Whips are still made – there is still plenty of betamax tapes out there to be digitized.

    Look at the Ford Motor Company. Some say it was the interstate highway act that made Henry Ford rich – except that he died 9 years before it passed. It was the inexpensive availability of motor cars that destroyed the established horse based transportation model – and made the highway system possible. It is both an example of supply creating demand, and of a successful disruption of a well established industry.

    Seems like “demand” is being confused with actual “consumption.” They aren’t exactly the same. Anyway motor-cars existed before Henry Ford, so it could be argued that the “demand” in that case also preceded “supply.”

    One point I found in the various articles on Say’s Law, that seems obvious, is that Say dismisses the concept of money itself as a “commodity.” In some ways, all “commodities” are stored value, and so is money. That money hasn’t been spent or exchanged – yet – doesn’t mean it has no value. Say’s Law seems to argue otherwise.

    Motor cars did exist before Henry Ford, it was his innovation of the assembly line that allowed him to radically lower prices, expanding the market to whole new possible class of customers. The Iphone and Ipods are also examples of production driving demand, nobody knew they wanted one until they saw it demonstrated on stage by Steve Jobs.

    Jean Baptiste Say, died in 1832, he would have only known currencies as being on a gold standard, money as a commodity would have been a foreign concept to him.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seems like “demand” is being confused with actual “consumption.” They aren’t exactly the same. Anyway motor-cars existed before Henry Ford, so it could be argued that the “demand” in that case also preceded “supply.”

    One point I found in the various articles on Say’s Law, that seems obvious, is that Say dismisses the concept of money itself as a “commodity.” In some ways, all “commodities” are stored value, and so is money. That money hasn’t been spent or exchanged – yet – doesn’t mean it has no value. Say’s Law seems to argue otherwise.

    Motor cars did exist before Henry Ford, it was his innovation of the assembly line that allowed him to radically lower prices, expanding the market to whole new possible class of customers. The Iphone and Ipods are also examples of production driving demand, nobody knew they wanted one until they saw it demonstrated on stage by Steve Jobs.

    Jean Baptiste Say, died in 1832, he would have only known currencies as being on a gold standard, money as a commodity would have been a foreign concept to him.

    If anything, isn’t gold-standard money even more of a commodity than fiat currency?  So even though he’s dead, he doesn’t have that excuse.

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  8. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seems like “demand” is being confused with actual “consumption.” They aren’t exactly the same. Anyway motor-cars existed before Henry Ford, so it could be argued that the “demand” in that case also preceded “supply.”

    One point I found in the various articles on Say’s Law, that seems obvious, is that Say dismisses the concept of money itself as a “commodity.” In some ways, all “commodities” are stored value, and so is money. That money hasn’t been spent or exchanged – yet – doesn’t mean it has no value. Say’s Law seems to argue otherwise.

    Motor cars did exist before Henry Ford, it was his innovation of the assembly line that allowed him to radically lower prices, expanding the market to whole new possible class of customers. The Iphone and Ipods are also examples of production driving demand, nobody knew they wanted one until they saw it demonstrated on stage by Steve Jobs.

    Jean Baptiste Say, died in 1832, he would have only known currencies as being on a gold standard, money as a commodity would have been a foreign concept to him.

    If anything, isn’t gold-standard money even more of a commodity than fiat currency? So even though he’s dead, he doesn’t have that excuse.

    No, because its value is pegged by the central bank, it has a stable value over years – if not decades. Its far less of a commodity.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Also, it seems obvious that there can be demand that is UNMET by supply, for one reason or another. Such as cost. Is there no “demand” for super-expensive cars, by people who can’t afford them?

    Demand is unlimited. That’s why it meets a supply curve.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Also, it seems obvious that there can be demand that is UNMET by supply, for one reason or another. Such as cost. Is there no “demand” for super-expensive cars, by people who can’t afford them?

    Demand is unlimited. That’s why it meets a supply curve.

    Demand is unlimited?  Really?  That sounds pretty ridiculous, except as some kind of economic theory taught in/from ivory towers but never actually practiced.  One of those “An idea so obviously ridiculous, only someone with a Ph.D could believe it” things.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    One point I found in the various articles on Say’s Law, that seems obvious, is that Say dismisses the concept of money itself as a “commodity.” In some ways, all “commodities” are stored value, and so is money. That money hasn’t been spent or exchanged – yet – doesn’t mean it has no value. Say’s Law seems to argue otherwise.

    Motor cars did exist before Henry Ford, it was his innovation of the assembly line that allowed him to radically lower prices, expanding the market to whole new possible class of customers. The Iphone and Ipods are also examples of production driving demand, nobody knew they wanted one until they saw it demonstrated on stage by Steve Jobs.

    Jean Baptiste Say, died in 1832, he would have only known currencies as being on a gold standard, money as a commodity would have been a foreign concept to him.

    If anything, isn’t gold-standard money even more of a commodity than fiat currency? So even though he’s dead, he doesn’t have that excuse.

    No, because its value is pegged by the central bank, it has a stable value over years – if not decades. Its far less of a commodity.

    Except Say apparently dismissed any kind of money as having value other than when turned into something else – i.e., spent.  “Commodity” or not, gold-standard or not, unspent currency is not value-less.

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  12. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Also, it seems obvious that there can be demand that is UNMET by supply, for one reason or another. Such as cost. Is there no “demand” for super-expensive cars, by people who can’t afford them?

    Demand is unlimited. That’s why it meets a supply curve.

    Demand is unlimited? Really? That sounds pretty ridiculous, except as some kind of economic theory taught in/from ivory towers but never actually practiced. One of those “An idea so obviously ridiculous, only someone with a Ph.D could believe it” things.

    Demand is unlimited. This why when government provides it for “free” it needs to be rationed. Like Healthcare. If the user is no longer footing at least some of the costs the services he uses demand spikes. Like all curves it ends in ridicule. At $0 cost there is infinite demand, at infinite cost there is no demand.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Also, it seems obvious that there can be demand that is UNMET by supply, for one reason or another. Such as cost. Is there no “demand” for super-expensive cars, by people who can’t afford them?

    Demand is unlimited. That’s why it meets a supply curve.

    Demand is unlimited? Really? That sounds pretty ridiculous, except as some kind of economic theory taught in/from ivory towers but never actually practiced. One of those “An idea so obviously ridiculous, only someone with a Ph.D could believe it” things.

    Almost everyone would like being handed a billion dollars so they could buy everything they have ever wanted. 

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    @kedavis I get that it sounds like regressive taxation, but you end up with more output at lower prices. That’s all that matters.

    If you want to “progressive-ize” it, you simply mail a check to everyone equalizing it for a poverty level, but it isn’t really necessary.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Also, it seems obvious that there can be demand that is UNMET by supply, for one reason or another. Such as cost. Is there no “demand” for super-expensive cars, by people who can’t afford them?

    Demand is unlimited. That’s why it meets a supply curve.

    Demand is unlimited? Really? That sounds pretty ridiculous, except as some kind of economic theory taught in/from ivory towers but never actually practiced. One of those “An idea so obviously ridiculous, only someone with a Ph.D could believe it” things.

    Almost everyone would like being handed a billion dollars so they could buy everything they have ever wanted.

    Nope.  A billion isn’t nearly enough.  A trillion isn’t either.  It costs way more than a trillion $ to get to Alpha Centauri, which is what I Demand.  And which is part of why “demand is unlimited” makes no sense.  Because demand IS limited, by what is affordable, and what is possible.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    @kedavis I get that it sounds like regressive taxation, but you end up with more output at lower prices. That’s all that matters.

    I just find it interesting – and amusing – that people would be so sure of something like that, when it’s never really been tested.  There’s good evidence that socialism/communism doesn’t work even when done “properly” largely because PEOPLE.  I think the same reason(s) would doom your (Say’s) theory too, if actually implemented in some serious way rather than just looking for “symptoms” in the current world situations.  Just as returning the US to pre-industrial levels wouldn’t solve “global warming”/”climate change” because China, and India, and…  and mostly because THE SUN!!!

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    Who is winning this debate? REACT!

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    “demand is unlimited” makes no sense.

    If the price of everything is zero, everyone’s demands will be met. The idea is to lower the cost of production while increasing output, given scarce resources. It takes capital formation to do that. 

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  19. Miffed White Male Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    Some say it was the interstate highway act that made Henry Ford rich – except that he died 9 years before it passed

    Who is this “some” that says that?  

     

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    “demand is unlimited” makes no sense.

    If the price of everything is zero, everyone’s demands will be met. The idea is to lower the cost of production while increasing output, given scarce resources. It takes capital formation to do that.

    Only for things that already exist, or can be currently produced.  Who’s going to get me to Alpha Centauri, for free?  That’s what I Demand.

    Anyway even the simpler example breaks down on closer examination.  That’s one of the problems with theories versus reality.

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  21. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    kylez (View Comment):

    It’s amazing to think some Democrats are so stupid they think slavery reparations is going to help them defeat Donald Trump.

    Well it will wrap up the black or anybody that can claim to be black vote.   

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    “demand is unlimited” makes no sense.

    If the price of everything is zero, everyone’s demands will be met. The idea is to lower the cost of production while increasing output, given scarce resources. It takes capital formation to do that.

    Only for things that already exist, or can be currently produced. Who’s going to get me to Alpha Centauri, for free? That’s what I Demand.

    Anyway even the simpler example breaks down on closer examination. That’s one of the problems with theories versus reality.

    You are a Keynesian. Swell. 

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  23. kylez Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):

    It’s amazing to think some Democrats are so stupid they think slavery reparations is going to help them defeat Donald Trump.

    Well it will wrap up the black or anybody that can claim to be black vote.

    But they always have it. It’s all but irrelevant without white voters.

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  24. Taras Coolidge
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    kylez (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):

    It’s amazing to think some Democrats are so stupid they think slavery reparations is going to help them defeat Donald Trump.

    Well it will wrap up the black or anybody that can claim to be black vote.

    But they always have it. It’s all but irrelevant without white voters.

    The Democrats learned how to buy off and corrupt the black leadership, who then abuse their trust to tell the rank-and-file to vote against their own interests; e.g., on school choice, or against Trump’s immigration policies.

    The Democrats’ failed attempt to prevent Clarence Thomas from being appointed to the Supreme Court illustrates this.   The matter was too high-profile for the corrupt black leadership to pull the wool over the eyes of the black rank-and-file — who naturally preferred to see a black conservative on the Court instead of a white conservative.  (To maintain their racial narrative, the Democrats want there to be as few prominent black conservatives as possible.) 

    They learned from their mistakes: when another Republican President appeared to be grooming another black conservative for the Supreme Court, they launched their attack when she was nominated to the Court of Appeals, to lower the profile, and attacked a few white judges at the same time, to muddy the waters. 

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  25. Stad Coolidge
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    Spaghetti eyes?  I think AOC has a black hole behind her head . . .

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  26. J Ro Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is my amateur opinion. The whole country would be served by now emphasizing stories nobody has heard very much about the historical black experience. Like the chick they wanted to put on the $10 bill. Both the suffering and the success. A lot of slaves that fought in Civil War were in disbelief about how crappy their life was after the Civil War. Things didn’t change enough. Emphasize that. They should have been given “40 acres and a mule” or whatever. They got shafted. All of this crap went on for over 100 years.

    I want to hear new stories both success and how shameful it was back then. New names.

    The Civil War resolved jack in my opinion. Nobody thought it through.

    JMO.

    You can start with Robert Smalls of Beaufort, SC, a former slave who freed himself during the Civil War (in an adventure which ought to thrill Hollywood storytellers) and later founded the Republican Party of South Carolina.

    Why no statues of this guy, why no Black History Month stories?

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  27. Stad Coolidge
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    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    what would prevent my kids and stepkids from getting in on that action? 

    Nothing!  Send your family information to your local Democratic Party headquarters, and ask them to calculate how much money the children from your first marriage would receive under the Democrat proposals out there.  Tell them your vote depends on it.  Subsequent children (step-kids, biological children from second hubby, or grandkids) don’t count unless they have Authentic Slave Blood ™ too, so don’t even try unless you have more proof.

    But if there are slave owners in your ancestry as there are in mine, shhhhhhh!  Don’t say a word.  Make them do the research before they deny benefits . . .

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  28. Stad Coolidge
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    Regarding Rob’s comments on black holes, the whole field of astronomy is like that. It’s interesting, but has no practical day to day impact on our lives. The two exceptions are the sun (life giving heat and light) and the moon (ocean tides).

    How about the ability to detect asteroids heading our way, so we can send up Bruce Willis?

    I want to know how we plan to destroy wandering black holes . . .

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    Regarding Rob’s comments on black holes, the whole field of astronomy is like that. It’s interesting, but has no practical day to day impact on our lives. The two exceptions are the sun (life giving heat and light) and the moon (ocean tides).

    How about the ability to detect asteroids heading our way, so we can send up Bruce Willis?

    I want to know how we plan to destroy wandering black holes . . .

    I don’t know, but whatever it is, will be racist.

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  30. Taras Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    Regarding Rob’s comments on black holes, the whole field of astronomy is like that. It’s interesting, but has no practical day to day impact on our lives. The two exceptions are the sun (life giving heat and light) and the moon (ocean tides).

    How about the ability to detect asteroids heading our way, so we can send up Bruce Willis?

    I want to know how we plan to destroy wandering black holes . . .

    I don’t know, but whatever it is, will be racist.

    A special meeting about Dallas County traffic tickets turned tense and bizarre this afternoon. …

    Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections “has become a black hole” because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

    Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud “Excuse me!” He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a “white hole.”

    That prompted Judge Thomas Jones, who is black, to demand an apology from Mayfield for his racially insensitive analogy. …

    dallasnews.com, July 2008

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