Discover the City of David

Since the Ricochet Podcast will be on hiatus next week, we’ve got a big episode to tide you over! We’re not only jam packed with our extra gab time, but with today’s guest Ze’ev Orenstein we head the birthplace of our grand Judeo-Christian tradition. His organization is excavating the City of David, making it possible for those currently celebrating Passover, Holy Week and Ramadan (or any curious visiter) the chance to walk through the awe-inspiring sites of their prophets, priests and kings.

The fellas also get into the disappointing elections in Chicago and Wisconsin; plus they touch on the outrageous culture war battles centered around Bud Light and Douglas Mackey.

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(The soundbite this week is Amb. John Bolton reacting to the Trump indictment on a CNN panel.)

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  1. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
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    db25db (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    It’s important to note that actual crime rates in places like New York City can’t be judged on the basis of crime/police reports, because so much of it isn’t even reported when people know that nothing will be done.

    In the current times and situation, when someone like Rob Long claims that crime is down in New York, the only sensible response is rolling the eyes and laughing.

    What Rob said was that crime had been higher in the 70s, 80s and early 90s. Which is true. It has shot up over the last 5 years, but his point seemed to be that things have been even worse in the past. You’re dead on that crime statistics do have to be taken with a grain of salt (particularly property crime). Im in the seattle area and ive had multiple property crimes commited against me Ive let go, because officers flat out told me no prosecutor in the area would prosecute a breakin unless a large amount was taken. Murder rates are likely fairly dead on.

    Does his number take in account the de-criminalization of this an other Soros DA’s?

    e.g. in San Fran, it is a misdemeanor to steal less than $1000.00 worth of goods on a single theft.

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  2. JennaStocker Member
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    @JennaStocker

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Samuel Block (View Comment):
    . But when we wrapped, the four (I’m pretty sure) of us there who don’t agree didn’t say anything mean to Rob

    And we never do! It’s like any conversation with friends – you might agree on that, disagree on that, but that’s how it goes, and it’s certainly more interesting that sitting around agreeing about everything. It’s good to hear differing opinions from someone smart whose opinions you respect.

    I rarely miss an episode. I listen and am a member of Ricochet because of the myriad of opinions, exceptional knowledge (that reminds me how much I don’t know!), and agreeable disagreements that constantly challenge my beliefs and fortify my own principles. This podcast is a blessing if you’re willing to to see each of our hosts as having come from very different backgrounds, experiences, and perspectives but manage to have a civil discussion about practically unlimited topics. Kinda like how I wish — and I don’t think I’m alone here — America would return to. Pettiness escalated to nuclear fallout without reasonable debate is part of what is chipping away at our cohesion. Both sides do it. Participate in the culture wars, I do, but there’s no changing the middle if everything is WWIII. People just shut it out. I’ll probably never have the opportunity, but I’d give each of these gentlemen (and Samuel Block) a hearty handshake and heartfelt thanks for years of thoughtful thinking and entertainment.

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  3. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I have watched this situation unfold, for forever. How is anybody going to sell the GOP abortion threats? It’s never going to happen. It’s always going to work in reverse, politically. Hand out Plan B pills instead. 

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  4. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
    Gazpacho Grande'
    @ChrisCampion

    Thanks for the pod, gentlemen.  Rob’s enthusiasm for the historical significance of this area, and his depth of knowledge paired with Ze’Ev’s background, made this a really interesting conversation.  A real “boots on the ground” experience.

    What struck me was the day-to-day reality that 3 major religious groups all lay some form of claim to the area, and despite all the wars and tensions that are part of its history, on a day-to-day basis, it does not sound like WW3 is a heartbeat away.  Maybe I’m overly optimistic.

    Also:  Great pic.

    Discover the City of David

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  5. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I have watched this situation unfold, for forever. How is anybody going to sell the GOP abortion threats? It’s never going to happen. It’s always going to work in reverse, politically. Hand out Plan B pills instead.

    I strongly suspect that Democrats are quietly putting money into Republican primaries, to promote candidates who do not admit of an abortion exception for rape and incest.

    If the voters are forced to choose between no abortion and unrestricted abortion, they will reluctantly choose the latter.

     

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  6. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    So on the argument regarding the taking of children to watch drag shows, I thought I’d add a perspective from Alaska.

    In Fairbanks there was a stripper joint that lost its liqueur license. They did reopen without the license, and further, they hired strippers that were 18-21 years old, which they couldn’t when they had the license. It’s now closed, but they did remain in business for quite a few years.

    So discussion point for the next podcast, since Rob probably won’t be reading this, would Rob allow children in a stripper bar without a liqueur license?

    If not, why not extend that prohibition to other suggestive sexual events?

    The main problem seems to be Rob confusing Conservative with Libertarian.

    Also, he seems to have forgotten his own industry’s  “NC-17” rating.  

    A parent or guardian can take a child to an R rated movie; but there is no parental option that permits taking a child to an NC-17 rated movie.

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  7. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    “The taint of Trump“? Really?

    In the primary, Paul Vallas got 32.9%; while 38.4% went to Brandon Johnson and Lori Lightfoot, together.

    Vallas’ defeat was baked in the cake.

    That’s what I’d heard from some analysts too. The way-out-there side split its vote between Johnson and Lightfoot. If were talking guilt by association, DeSantis could be thrown in there too. The police organization that endorsed Vallas invited DeSantis to speak to their organization the week before the election.

    According to Jussie Smollet, Chicago is MAGA country so the MAGA candidate could have done well.

    For various reasons, inner-city black voters are readily manipulated by criminal or near-criminal “community organizers” into voting against their own interests, but serving the Democratic machine.

    It’s also likely that a law-and-order candidate could never fly — and has never flown — among population subgroups with high rates of committing crimes.

    On the one side, cracking down on crime will — distantly, nebulously — lower crime rates.   On the other, they will lose their own sons, brothers, uncles to years of incarceration.

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  8. Leslie Watkins Inactive
    Leslie Watkins
    @LeslieWatkins

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Leslie Watkins (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Samuel Block (View Comment):
    . But when we wrapped, the four (I’m pretty sure) of us there who don’t agree didn’t say anything mean to Rob

    And we never do! It’s like any conversation with friends – you might agree on that, disagree on that, but that’s how it goes, and it’s certainly more interesting that sitting around agreeing about everything. It’s good to hear differing opinions from someone smart whose opinions you respect.

    I completely agree, James. But are you not, these days, at all sick of the use of the word smart as the most meaningful measure for everything? I personally am way over it. Many people among the smart set (Rob not included) have shown themselves to be utter loons. I’m looking for some humility, wisdom, especially today. FWIW, I’m not offended by Rob’s view of the crime rate in NYC. Maybe he’s right, though it seems unlikely. What’s hard for me to believe, though, is that he much cares, or is bothered by, what his critics of the Ricochet podcast think or say. He’s way too smart for that.

    There are many manifestations of brain-power – smart, clever, brainy, intelligent, etc. I think I used smart as shorthand for the qualities I admire, which include curiosity, confidence married with willingness to be wrong, maybe, intellectual restlessness, verbal skill, a grasp of the general scape and scope of human history. That’s a lot of the folk here at Ricochet, and that’s Rob, who is simply one of the more interesting persons I’ve ever met.

    He’s a good guy with a keen mind. And I say that as someone who has about 357 necessary segues ruined by his clumsy intercessions.

    Thanks, James. Never meant to suggest that Rob isn’t a good guy or that he isn’t worth liking or respecting. He’s clearly very popular, and that’s very cool. My only question is, “Where’s the conversation”? . . . BTW, between 1988 and 1990, I was an editor of the scholarly magazine Biblical Archaeologist, published by the American Schools of Oriental Research, in the period soon after the death of the great Yigal Shiloh, who had to deal (steadfastly and heroically) with religious opponents of the dig. It was the job that propelled me into Duke Divinity School, where in 1992 I earned an MTS before deciding not to pursue a PhD. All  just to say I too am greatly interested in what’s been uncovered in the City of David and thought it was a perfect subject for this episode. I hope you had a wonderful Easter!

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    “The taint of Trump“? Really?

    In the primary, Paul Vallas got 32.9%; while 38.4% went to Brandon Johnson and Lori Lightfoot, together.

    Vallas’ defeat was baked in the cake.

    That’s what I’d heard from some analysts too. The way-out-there side split its vote between Johnson and Lightfoot. If were talking guilt by association, DeSantis could be thrown in there too. The police organization that endorsed Vallas invited DeSantis to speak to their organization the week before the election.

    According to Jussie Smollet, Chicago is MAGA country so the MAGA candidate could have done well.

    For various reasons, inner-city black voters are readily manipulated by criminal or near-criminal “community organizers” into voting against their own interests, but serving the Democratic machine.

    It’s also likely that a law-and-order candidate could never fly — and has never flown — among population subgroups with high rates of committing crimes.

    On the one side, cracking down on crime will — distantly, nebulously — lower crime rates. On the other, they will lose their own sons, brothers, uncles to years of incarceration.

    Because they only want the criminals next door and in the next street, etc, to be locked up.  Not the criminals in their own homes/families.

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  10. David C. Broussard Coolidge
    David C. Broussard
    @Dbroussa

    After having to bail on the podcast to clear my head after the latest Long diatribe (this time about how conservatives just have to roll over and accept anything the Left does culturally), I returned to hear Peter talk about hiw Texas is considering passing a bill to fund school choice. I’m sad to report that Texas Republicans have voted down the Senate bill and the House proposal doesn’t have much chance of passing. 

    https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/politics/school-choice-center-stage-in-texas-house/ar-AA19KsJd?ocid=sapphireappshare

    Why?  It’s hard to say because reporting is spotty. Opponents of choice claim that this will take money away from public schools and give it to private ones. That’s true, but the idea that public schools “deserve” that money is ludicrous, but enough GOP reps (more than 24) agree.  The only “good news” is that last time this vote came up it was about 40 votes short so we are making progress, but it is slow. Don’t look to Texas to lead on this issue. We are far behind as we are on many issues. The GOP leadership in the State isn’t exactly competent as they don’t have to compete against a legitimate opposition and really don’t have much of a clue how to accomplish things. 

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  11. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    After having to bail on the podcast to clear my head after the latest Long diatribe (this time about how conservatives just have to roll over and accept anything the Left does culturally), I returned to hear Peter talk about hiw Texas is considering passing a bill to fund school choice. I’m sad to report that Texas Republicans have voted down the Senate bill and the House proposal doesn’t have much chance of passing.

    https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/politics/school-choice-center-stage-in-texas-house/ar-AA19KsJd?ocid=sapphireappshare

    Why? It’s hard to say because reporting is spotty. Opponents of choice claim that this will take money away from public schools and give it to private ones. That’s true, but the idea that public schools “deserve” that money is ludicrous, but enough GOP reps (more than 24) agree. The only “good news” is that last time this vote came up it was about 40 votes short so we are making progress, but it is slow. Don’t look to Texas to lead on this issue. We are far behind as we are on many issues. The GOP leadership in the State isn’t exactly competent as they don’t have to compete against a legitimate opposition and really don’t have much of a clue how to accomplish things.

    If public schools are doing a bad job of educating kids, then money should be taken away from them, and given to schools that do a better job.

    Of course, public schools are a totem, a shibboleth, to many people.   Especially, I think, to people who went to public schools in the halcyon days when they still taught patriotism — instead of destroying it.

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