Today, Jay turns “Q&A” into an old-fashioned “Need to Know,” with his “friend, colleague, heroine, and podcast partner,” as he puts it: Mona Charen. They talk Trump-Ukraine-impeachment, of course. And then Greta (the teen climate-change activist), China, Turkey, Egypt, etc. A lot of laughs, a little yelling, and some keen analysis.

At the beginning, Jay asks Mona a potentially sensitive question: What is your middle name? He has never known …

 

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  1. rgbact Inactive
    rgbact
    @romanblichar

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
     

    Conservatives, pro- and anti-Trump alike, need to continue to work together. There is more than unites us than divides us.

    Sure, but we have 3 other candidates in the GOP primary.  And I’m supporting Mark Sanford. And Trump’s latest scandal should help Sanford’s cause. So, I have zero interest in bailing Trump out. And so Trumpers call me an enemy, even though I’m very conservative. Oh well.

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  2. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Conservatives, pro- and anti-Trump alike, need to continue to work together. There is more than unites us than divides us.

    Sure, but we have 3 other candidates in the GOP primary. And I’m supporting Mark Sanford. And Trump’s latest scandal should help Sanford’s cause. So, I have zero interest in bailing Trump out. And so Trumpers call me an enemy, even though I’m very conservative. Oh well.

    I’m not sure what a Trumper is. I am a Trump supporter, and I would not call you an enemy.

    But I think, if we successfully primary Trump, we will certainly lose the general. I think it’s preposterous. So unless you favor a  Democrat over Trump, I think it’s a very bad call.

    Fortunately, I expect it to go nowhere.

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  3. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

     

    Hanson has spoken and written at great length — entire books, in fact — about President Trump and the forces that Hanson believe have propelled him into office. Your complaint was that you couldn’t find intelligent conservatives who support Trump. If you don’t happen to agree with their arguments, at least you can agree that they exist, right?

    My points were specific to impeachment and professional pundits/politicians, although I noted some bad VDH argument styles that he uses in other areas too. Anyway, looks like Richard Epstein recently posted the best pro-Trump analysis I’ve seen so far, free of deflections and “but Democrats” deflections. And he’s not even a Trumper evidently. so, I’ll put that in the “intelligent and fair, but wrong” category.

    There you go. Keep looking; I think you’ll find that more thoughtful, intelligent, reasonably well-informed conservatives lean pro-Trump than anti-Trump.

    @rgbact —  Wait a minute. This is what you said about Prof. Richard Epstein‘s argument against impeachment yesterday: 

    Well, that was pretty pathetic. Evidently, Trump is Ok because what he did doesn’t rise to impeachable……but Biden has to worry about his shady ethics (which of course Trump never has to worry about, Epstein just handwaves that away totally). So Congress is going to have many witnsesses [sic] testify on all of this….and Epstein doesn’t care one bit about what they’ll have to say. Cuz Trump fights!

     

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  4. rgbact Inactive
    rgbact
    @romanblichar

    Taras (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My points were specific to impeachment and professional pundits/politicians, although I noted some bad VDH argument styles that he uses in other areas too. Anyway, looks like Richard Epstein recently posted the best pro-Trump analysis I’ve seen so far, free of deflections and “but Democrats” deflections. And he’s not even a Trumper evidently. so, I’ll put that in the “intelligent and fair, but wrong” category.

    There you go. Keep looking;  .

    @rgbact — Wait a minute. This is what you said about Prof. Richard Epstein‘s argument against impeachment yesterday:

    Well, that was pretty pathetic. Evidently, Trump is Ok because what he did doesn’t rise to impeachable……but Biden has to worry about his shady ethics (which of course Trump never has to worry about, Epstein just handwaves that away totally).

    Yep. His podcast was very weak, especially  for an academic. He must’ve felt bad about his flippant analysis on an issue so big in the podcast, so took a couple days to do a deep analysis write up. So, I’ll give him points for at least having substantive arguments now, unlike before.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Hanson has spoken and written at great length — entire books, in fact — about President Trump and the forces that Hanson believe have propelled him into office.

    Republicans that hate Trump don’t think hard enough about this 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    My objection to Jay and Mona, the objection I tried to communicate in my comment #3, is that they appear to begin from a position of moral superiority that precludes a consideration of opposing views: of course Trump is unworthy of the office; of course his supporters are fools and knaves who have abandoned the conservative cause for short-term gain; etc.

    They don’t gather data and think it through, so they lash out. 

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Isn’t it clear by now that rgbact will accept no defense of the President regardless of the source? All his talk about wanting to find someone intelligent to defend the President is just a smoke screen. As soon as his chosen “intelligent person” defends the President, he determines that person is no longer allowed in the “intelligent” category. 

    I submit that such an approach is not very . . . intelligent.

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  8. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Isn’t it clear by now that rgbact will accept no defense of the President regardless of the source? All his talk about wanting to find someone intelligent to defend the President is just a smoke screen. As soon as his chosen “intelligent person” defends the President, he determines that person is no longer allowed in the “intelligent” category.

    I submit that such an approach is not very . . . intelligent.

    Drew, I don’t know rgb — though I do appreciate the fact that  his/her chosen appellation is the acronym for the simple red/green/blue additive color model.

    I don’t know rgb, and I don’t know what degree of analysis and consideration rgb brings to his/her posts. But that doesn’t matter to me, because — I’ll say it again — the most productive approach to engagement in a public forum is to think of the audience and talk to them.

    None of us is perfect, and sometimes it’s hard to avoid the temptation to make a critical personal comment. And, honestly, it’s fun. But I think people, especially normal (i.e., relatively non-political) people, tend to tune out both sides when it happens.

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  9. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    My points were specific to impeachment and professional pundits/politicians, although I noted some bad VDH argument styles that he uses in other areas too. Anyway, looks like Richard Epstein recently posted the best pro-Trump analysis I’ve seen so far, free of deflections and “but Democrats” deflections. And he’s not even a Trumper evidently. so, I’ll put that in the “intelligent and fair, but wrong” category.

    There you go. Keep looking; .

    @rgbact — Wait a minute. This is what you said about Prof. Richard Epstein‘s argument against impeachment yesterday:

    Well, that was pretty pathetic. Evidently, Trump is Ok because what he did doesn’t rise to impeachable……but Biden has to worry about his shady ethics (which of course Trump never has to worry about, Epstein just handwaves that away totally).

    Yep. His podcast was very weak, especially for an academic. He must’ve felt bad about his flippant analysis on an issue so big in the podcast, so took a couple days to do a deep analysis write up. So, I’ll give him points for at least having substantive arguments now, unlike before.

     The trouble is, the day after you attacked Prof. Epstein (on Sept. 29), you pretended he didn’t exist (Sept. 30): 

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    Epstein’s Wikipedia article has a lot of information on his enormous stature within his field:   “A study of legal publications between 2009 and 2013 found Epstein to be the 3rd most frequently cited American legal scholar, behind only Cass Sunstein and Erwin Chemerinsky.”

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  10. rgbact Inactive
    rgbact
    @romanblichar

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Isn’t it clear by now that rgbact will accept no defense of the President regardless of the source? All his talk about wanting to find someone intelligent to defend the President is just a smoke screen. As soon as his chosen “intelligent person” defends the President, he determines that person is no longer allowed in the “intelligent” category.

    I said that the latest Epstein writeup defense was pretty decent. Much better than Robert Jefrees or Charlie Kirk or even VDH (who I read and   crtitiqued) or Mark Levin. But I’m still curious about how many more conservative intellectuals besides David French you want to chase out of conservatism and be replaced by???? Epstein?

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  11. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I have an idea. Listen to the interviews of David Stockman on the Tom Woods show and Contra Krugman around September 2016. The economic problems he describes are what GOP never deals with while they babble about “the dignity of work”.

    Read the spectator article by Angelo Codevilla about the ruling class. Rush Limbaugh famously read all 18 pages on his show.

    Then tell me why David Horowitz is wrong about anything.

    If you don’t want anymore Donald Trumps taking over the GOP that’s what you have to consider.

    Also, we need to finish a war once in a while.

    ***EDIT***

    Listen to the interview of Angelo Codevilla on the Tom Woods Show, too.

    ***EDIT***

    Get a real vision pass and watch the 90 minute interview of David Stockman. People have all this stuff in their head about what Ronald Reagan was like and when the GOP used to be conservative. It’s all nonsense. Freaking out about Trump isn’t going to make things better.

     

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