Today, Jay turns “Q&A” into an old-fashioned “Need to Know,” with his “friend, colleague, heroine, and podcast partner,” as he puts it: Mona Charen. They talk Trump-Ukraine-impeachment, of course. And then Greta (the teen climate-change activist), China, Turkey, Egypt, etc. A lot of laughs, a little yelling, and some keen analysis.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    A President can be impeached for anything.

    I think you have to show that it erodes The Republic in some way, not just general “maladministration” or bad behavior.

    It can’t be purely political and you can’t use it to override an election.

    You might be correct from a political perspective, but constitutionally the House’s power of impeachment is absolute, and the basis for impeachment is undefined.

    Look I’m not an expert, but I think the point you are making hasn’t been adjudicated.

    Where would it be adjudicated? Here’s everything the Constitution says about the House of Representatives’ sole power of impeachment:

    The House of Representatives…shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

    –US Constitution, ARTICLE I, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 5

    I don’t think it takes an expert to interpret the words “sole Power of Impeachment.” The House’s power of impeachment is absolute. No necessary or minimum basis for impeachment is defined or even mentioned.

    Here’s what one expert claims:

    The near-unanimous view of constitutional commentators is that the House of Representatives’ “sole power” of impeachment is a political question and therefore not reviewable by the judiciary.

    Stephen B. Presser, Sullivan & Cromwell Professor of Law, Northwestern University School of Law

    Presser Professor goes on to say

    The House is constitutionally obligated to base a bill of impeachment on the standards set out in Article II. (See Article II, Section 4.)

    but there’s no constitutional text to support such an obligation being placed on the House of Representatives.

    OK fair enough, but it would be terrible if they went off the Founder’s intent. 

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  2. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    Kozak (View Comment):

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    Sorry to be negative but this podcast was the most painful to listen to I have ever heard.

    Just one point Mona, my sources differ with yours regarding Biden’s reason for having Ukrainian

    prosecutor fired.

    /thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story#.XY02ewYDEV8.twitter

    You mean you don’t believe Quid Pro Quo Joe’s words on it ?

     I had trouble with that link, but here’s one that worked for me: 

    http:///thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story#.XY02ewYDEV8.twitter

    Here’s one interesting passage, out of many:

    In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified. …

    Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma’s legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden’s effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.

     By the way, because the link didn’t work, I found the article through two search engines, DuckDuckGo and Microsoft’s Bing, using the argument, “thehill solomon ukraine”.   Interestingly, on Bing only,  the top result was a grossly biased Daily Beast smear of John Solomon, the author of The Hill article I was looking for, which was itself toward the bottom of the page. 

     Somehow, I have the feeling that, at least while Trump is in the White House, Mona Charen and Jay Nordlinger and David French don’t have to worry about smears like this in the liberal media. 

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader
    @DrewInWisconsin

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

     

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Taras (View Comment):
    By the way, because the link didn’t work, I found the article through two search engines, DuckDuckGo and Microsoft’s Bing, using the argument, “thehill solomon ukraine”.

    I’ve noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to find articles and news videos critical of Democrats via Google. Often the only way I’m able to track down something I’ve read is through DuckDuckGo.

    I remembered reading the “86 Things Trump Could be Impeached For” piece within the last two weeks, but Google would not cough it up when I searched. On DuckDuckGo it was the first link.

    Google is seriously screwing with search results.

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  5. Taras Coolidge
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    @Taras

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Taras (View Comment):
    By the way, because the link didn’t work, I found the article through two search engines, DuckDuckGo and Microsoft’s Bing, using the argument, “thehill solomon ukraine”.

    I’ve noticed that it’s getting harder and harder to find articles and news videos critical of Democrats via Google. Often the only way I’m able to track down something I’ve read is through DuckDuckGo.

    I remembered reading the “86 Things Trump Could be Impeached For” piece within the last two weeks, but Google would not cough it up when I searched. On DuckDuckGo it was the first link.

    Google is seriously screwing with search results.

    Oh, I stopped using Google years ago.

    I rarely watch the Mark Levin show, but he had a social scientist on recently, an avowed liberal Democrat, to discuss his research on Google bias.

    He found that Google — but not its major rivals — biased its search suggestions in favor of Hillary Clinton.

    Ominously, he pointed out that Google’s effort in 2016 was not even half-hearted, because they “knew” Hillary would win anyway. 

    But next time – be afraid! Be afraid!

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  6. rgbact Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday.   Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism.

    We are way past that point. 

     

     

     

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday.

    In other words, it’s okay for David French to tell blatant lies because you consider the people he’s lying about to be “unintelligent.”

     

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  9. rgbact Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday.

    In other words, it’s okay for David French to tell blatant lies because you don’t like the people he’s lying about.

     

    No. You’re the one calling for French to be separated from conservatives because he “willfully misread” some FOX pundits inflammatory rhetoric (that turns out not to be as crazy as French says, but its still crazy). Undoubtedly, you also want many (most?) other intellectuals to be tossed out of conservatism….and be replaced by??? Ahmari? Kurt Schlicter? Charlie Kirk? Robert Jeffrees?

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  10. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism.

    We’re trying to appeal to the blue collar types, and that’s okay with me.  Our so-called intellectuals have been slowly but surely driving them away for years with lofty rhetoric that doesn’t appeal to the average guy on the street. 

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    Our so-called intellectuals have been slowly but surely driving them away for years with lofty rhetoric that doesn’t appeal to the average guy on the street. 

    They don’t know how to govern to head off populism and socialism, either. It’s a joke. Watch that video I posted. None of those guys think like that. 

    Ask questions on why we got the less-than-perfect-Trump instead of working against him. 

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  12. Kozak Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    Really? How about Mark Steyn and Victor Davis Hanson?

    Both make French look like the worthless hack he is.

    It’s war baby. And you clearly are on the enemies side.

     

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  13. LibertyDefender Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    Really? How about Mark Steyn and Victor Davis Hanson?

    Both make French look like the worthless hack he is.

    Let’s not forget the brilliant Conrad Black.  How I wish he were an American.

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  14. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    LibertyDefender (View Comment):
    Let’s not forget the brilliant Conrad Black. How I wish he were an American.

    I love that man. Absolutely brilliant!

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  15. Henry Racette Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    David French continues to willfully misread. It was not a “threat of a second civil war.” It was a comparison to a “Civil War-like fracture.” That is the actual phrase being used. David French is a liar. Bad enough that he originally lied about it. That he’s doubling down on the lie is unconscionable. Time for conservatives to separate themselves from David French.

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    If you’re seriously still waiting to find an intelligent conservative who actually defends Trump, perhaps your standards are unreasonably high. I think of Victor Davis Hanson, an intelligent, articulate, and, I think, principled man who routinely makes the case for Trump (to coin a phrase). For that matter, I think there are quite a few intelligent conservatives here who will defend Trump, though few of us will do it without reservation or qualification.

    There are intelligent, thoughtful conservatives on both sides of the Trump divide. Mona and Jay count among them, as does our friend Gary Robbins. I happen to be a Trump supporter, but I’d like to think I’m sensible about it.

    When those of us who are allies on almost every conservative issue tear into each other over a serious but understandable disagreement about one admittedly problematic man, we weaken a partnership that remains essential for moving conservatism forward in the inevitable post-Trump future. We should all try to be  bigger than that.

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    If you’re seriously still waiting to find an intelligent conservative who actually defends Trump, perhaps your standards are unreasonably high. I think of Victor Davis Hanson, an intelligent, articulate, and, I think, principled man who routinely makes the case for Trump (to coin a phrase).

    Not unreasonably high. Just a refusal to accept that, yes, there are highly intelligent people who support the President. It’s easier to paint all those who disagree with you as cartoonish anti-intellectuals. Then you can just unthinkingly dismiss what they say.

     

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  17. rgbact Inactive
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    @romanblichar

    Kozak (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    I’ll take David French over Robert Jeffrees and Diamond and Silk and any other “trump intellectuals” anyday. Trumpism truly is a movement to remove all intelligence from conservatism. FOX evidently can’t find intelligent people to defend Trump, if they are down to the likes of this know nothing pastor. Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    Really? How about Mark Steyn and Victor Davis Hanson?

    Both make French look like the worthless hack he is.

    It’s war baby. And you clearly are on the enemies side.

    Are they defending Trump on impeachment? I could at least listen to what VDH has to say. Steyn is pretty much a hack blowhard, but at least would be better than this war stoker Jefrees guy.

    I’m definitely an enemy of Trumpism. And I’m not too interested in social media warriors tough talk.

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    Are they defending Trump on impeachment? I could at least listen to what VDH has to say.

    I have my doubts.

    But here: https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/29/impeachment-coup-analytics/

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  19. Henry Racette Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    If you’re seriously still waiting to find an intelligent conservative who actually defends Trump, perhaps your standards are unreasonably high. I think of Victor Davis Hanson, an intelligent, articulate, and, I think, principled man who routinely makes the case for Trump (to coin a phrase).

    Not unreasonably high. Just a refusal to accept that, yes, there are highly intelligent people who support the President. It’s easier to paint all those who disagree with you as cartoonish anti-intellectuals. Then you can just unthinkingly dismiss what they say.

     

    I suppose so. And it cuts both ways: as a Trump supporter who doesn’t actually love Trump, I get it from both sides.

    (But I still wear the stupid hat, because I’ll be hanged if I’ll be intimidated into silence by leftist scolds.)

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  20. Henry Racette Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):
    I’m definitely an enemy of Trumpism.

    And are you an enemy of anti-Trumpism?

    How about we not ism-ize people who disagree with us, and just talk politely with each other?

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  21. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    If you’re seriously still waiting to find an intelligent conservative who actually defends Trump, perhaps your standards are unreasonably high.

    We have plenty of intelligent, well-educated conservatives right here on Ricochet who are more than happy to defend Trump. 

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  22. Henry Racette Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    If you’re seriously still waiting to find an intelligent conservative who actually defends Trump, perhaps your standards are unreasonably high.

    We have plenty of intelligent, well-educated conservatives right here on Ricochet who are more than happy to defend Trump.

    Agreed. My choice of words may have been ambiguous. My point was that it’s easy to find intelligent conservatives who defend Trump, and anyone professing difficulty might be using words in an extreme and non-traditional sense.

     

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  23. rgbact Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    Are they defending Trump on impeachment? I could at least listen to what VDH has to say.

    I have my doubts.

    But here: https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/29/impeachment-coup-analytics/

    Thanks. VDH starts off with one of his annoying tendencies…….find the worst argument of the opposition to argue against. So, he found some statement by Democrat “heavy hitter” Al Green about wanting to impeach Trump so he’s not re-elected.  This is of course, the argument a Trumper would want a Democrat to have, and certainly nowhere close to the best impeachment argument.

    Then he goes off to tell us how crazy the Democrat 2020 field is. Then his  deflections just go on, including strawman policies that Biden and others don’t support. The word “Ukraine” doesn’t even appear until the 12th paragraph, when he admits that the polls favor impeachment. Then he finally gets to an actual Trump defense….which is largely “no quid pro quo’ and “Biden actually made open threats”. The second argument doesn’t seem to agree with anything I’ve heard outside Trumper media….and the “quid pro quo” is still up to interpetation. So, VDH did better than Jeffrees……but mostly he offered a lot of deflections. Not too good, if this is the best Trumpers got.

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader
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    Verified in my doubts.

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  25. rgbact Inactive
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    @romanblichar

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    I’m definitely an enemy of Trumpism.

    And are you an enemy of anti-Trumpism?

    How about we not ism-ize people who disagree with us, and just talk politely with each other?

    Who knows. The one poster called me an enemy, so I embraced it. You should be asking him about conservative enemies. Its not NTs that look at things in terms of “enemies” and “war” and “fights”.

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  26. Henry Racette Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Thought Leader (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    Are they defending Trump on impeachment? I could at least listen to what VDH has to say.

    I have my doubts.

    But here: https://amgreatness.com/2019/09/29/impeachment-coup-analytics/

    Thanks. VDH starts off with one of his annoying tendencies…….find the worst argument of the opposition to argue against. So, he found some statement by Democrat “heavy hitter” Al Green about wanting to impeach Trump so he’s not re-elected. This is of course, the argument a Trumper would want a Democrat to have, and certainly nowhere close to the best impeachment argument.

    Then he goes off to tell us how crazy the Democrat 2020 field is. Then his deflections just go on, including strawman policies that Biden and others don’t support. The word “Ukraine” doesn’t even appear until the 12th paragraph, when he admits that the polls favor impeachment. Then he finally gets to an actual Trump defense….which is largely “no quid pro quo’ and “Biden actually made open threats”. The second argument doesn’t seem to agree with anything I’ve heard outside Trumper media….and the “quid pro quo” is still up to interpetation. So, VDH did better than Jeffrees……but mostly he offered a lot of deflections. Not too good, if this is the best Trumpers got.

    Hanson has spoken and written at great length — entire books, in fact — about President Trump and the forces that Hanson believe have propelled him into office. Your complaint was that you couldn’t find intelligent conservatives who support Trump. If you don’t happen to agree with their arguments, at least you can agree that they exist, right?

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  27. Henry Racette Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):
    I’m definitely an enemy of Trumpism.

    And are you an enemy of anti-Trumpism?

    How about we not ism-ize people who disagree with us, and just talk politely with each other?

    Who knows. The one poster called me an enemy, so I embraced it. You should be asking him about conservative enemies. Its not NTs that look at things in terms of “enemies” and “war” and “fights”.

    Goodness, rg, that’s nonsense: there are irate and intemperate people on all three sides of the Trump divide. I don’t think you can pin incivility and intolerance on any one group.

    My objection to Jay and Mona, the objection I tried to communicate in my comment #3, is that they appear to begin from a position of moral superiority that precludes a consideration of opposing views: of course Trump is unworthy of the office; of course his supporters are fools and knaves who have abandoned the conservative cause for short-term gain; etc.

    One can be a Trump critic without that, just as one can be a Trump supporter without believing that his critics are American-hating pseudo-conservative poseurs.

    Conservatives, pro- and anti-Trump alike, need to continue to work together. There is more than unites us than divides us.

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  28. LibertyDefender Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

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    rgbact (View Comment):

    Still waiting for an intelligent conservative that actually defends Trump.

    Really? How about Mark Steyn and Victor Davis Hanson?

    It’s war baby. And you clearly are on the enemies side.

    Are they defending Trump on impeachment? 

    I’m definitely an enemy of Trumpism. And I’m not too interested in social media warriors tough talk.

    Of which aspects of Trumpism are you most staunchly an enemy?

    • The drastic reduction of the corporate income tax rate?
    • The amnesty for TRILLIONS of dollars of repatriated capital?
    • The aggressive effort to reduce business-killing regulation?
    • The demand that allies meet their obligations under the NATO treaty?
    • The nomination and appointment – without exception – of originalist judges?
    • The moving of the US Embassy to Jerusalem?
    • Efforts to end the misuse of Title IX to deny (mostly male) college students due process?
    • Approval of Keystone XL pipeline construction and of drilling in ANWR?
    • Recognition of Israel’s sovereignty over Golan Heights?
    • Efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare?
    • Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord?
    • Withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal?
    • Calling out the mainstream media for its lies?

    Surely some of these aspects of Trumpism are worse than others and deserve a more staunch enemy opposition than other aspects of Trumpism.  So tell us more about your enmity.

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  29. rgbact Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Hanson has spoken and written at great length — entire books, in fact — about President Trump and the forces that Hanson believe have propelled him into office. Your complaint was that you couldn’t find intelligent conservatives who support Trump. If you don’t happen to agree with their arguments, at least you can agree that they exist, right?

    My points were specific to impeachment and professional pundits/politicians, although I noted some bad VDH argument styles  that he uses in other areas too. Anyway, looks like Richard Epstein recently posted the best pro-Trump analysis I’ve seen so far, free of “but Democrats” deflections. And he’s not even a Trumper evidently. so, I’ll put that in the “intelligent and fair, but wrong” category.

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  30. Henry Racette Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

     

    Hanson has spoken and written at great length — entire books, in fact — about President Trump and the forces that Hanson believe have propelled him into office. Your complaint was that you couldn’t find intelligent conservatives who support Trump. If you don’t happen to agree with their arguments, at least you can agree that they exist, right?

    My points were specific to impeachment and professional pundits/politicians, although I noted some bad VDH argument styles that he uses in other areas too. Anyway, looks like Richard Epstein recently posted the best pro-Trump analysis I’ve seen so far, free of deflections and “but Democrats” deflections. And he’s not even a Trumper evidently. so, I’ll put that in the “intelligent and fair, but wrong” category.

    There you go. Keep looking; I think you’ll find that more thoughtful, intelligent, reasonably well-informed conservatives lean pro-Trump than anti-Trump.

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