Jesse Wiese knows from firsthand experience what life is like behind bars—and what it takes to reenter society. He served seven-and-a-half years in prison for robbery before joining the organization Prison Fellowship and later graduating from law school.

Today, he is vice president of program design and evaluation at Prison Fellowship, where he oversees the Good Citizenship Model, a new approach that makes human flourishing the goal after serving time in prison.

Wiese joined “The Daily Signal Podcast” to discuss the steps policymakers can take to improve America’s prisons and reduce the recidivism that’s contributing to today’s crime problems. Listen to the interview or read a lightly edited transcript below.


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