The National Enquirer admits that it paid off Trump’s paramour to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. Between that and last week’s revelations regarding Trump’s alleged complicity in campaign finance fraud, the president’s legal exposure is increasing. How do Republicans in Congress react? Also, Theresa May narrowly survives a vote of no confidence, but her government is crippled.

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  1. Jeff Hawkins Coolidge

    Obama and his team didn’t know about the foreign money.

    He went overseas to CAMPAIGN

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    • December 13, 2018, at 10:49 AM PDT
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  2. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him. 

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    • December 13, 2018, at 11:33 AM PDT
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  3. Patrick McClure Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 11:49 AM PDT
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  4. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

    They both should be prosecuted. They are both awful.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 12:18 PM PDT
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  5. Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu Coolidge

    Trump gives us hope that no one else on the political scene comes close to giving us. “Those that have been forgotten will be forgotten no more.” Is there any politician who would dare make such a statement other than Trump? Trump really does care about America, and he is so right about the wall. Do you really believe those polls that say most Americans do not want a wall along the Mexican border? I don’t. The media is pushing an agenda for destruction of Western civilization and America along with it.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 12:37 PM PDT
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  6. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 3:36 PM PDT
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  7. Patrick McClure Member

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 3:45 PM PDT
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  8. EDISONPARKS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

    They both should be prosecuted. They are both awful.

    But only one will be …. because the MSM/Hollywood/DC insider/Culture machine decides who should be banished to the fires of hell and who should be allowed to continue to swan around DC/Manhattan/Chappaqua/Martha’s Vineyard.

    Image result for hillary clinton outfits

    Trump and everyone associated with him ….. screw’em to the wall ….

    Related image

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    • December 13, 2018, at 4:02 PM PDT
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  9. Belt Member

    So I’m vaguely interested in ExpressVPN, but whenever I try to go to the site I get a ‘privacy error’ from IE and Chrome. Seems odd that a company that’s emphasizing security is having this sort of problem. Is anyone else having issues seeing the site?

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    • December 13, 2018, at 4:22 PM PDT
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  10. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

    They both should be prosecuted. They are both awful.

    But only one will be …. because the MSM/Hollywood/DC insider/Culture machine decides who should be banished to the fires of hell and who should be allowed to continue to swan around DC/Manhattan/Chappaqua/Martha’s Vineyard.

    Image result for hillary clinton outfits

    Trump and everyone associated with him ….. screw’em to the wall ….

    Related image

    Then work to change that instead of defending Trump.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 5:09 PM PDT
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  11. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

    What Trump did during the campaign counts too.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 5:09 PM PDT
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  12. EDISONPARKS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    I hope he’s in trouble. He certainly deserves to be. But he was right that he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and his base would stick with him.

    Please tell me how bad he is, and how he deserves to be prosecuted, after Hillary is prosecuted for revealing top secret and above information through the use of an illegal server, knowingly violating the law regarding document retention and selling influence while SOS. Until then, yes, I’ll stand by the small time political hood in the White House because the failure to prosecute the big political crime families makes me doubt everything about the supposed Justice System.

    They both should be prosecuted. They are both awful.

    But only one will be …. because the MSM/Hollywood/DC insider/Culture machine decides who should be banished to the fires of hell and who should be allowed to continue to swan around DC/Manhattan/Chappaqua/Martha’s Vineyard.

    Image result for hillary clinton outfits

    Trump and everyone associated with him ….. screw’em to the wall ….

    Related image

    Then work to change that instead of defending Trump.

    Find the passage above where I defended Trump.

    I’m not comfortable with our two tiered justice system which selects whom to prosecute and who to exonerate, and how the MSM sends the public into the vapors about a highly debatable election law violation, while simultaneously is able to induce the public into a coma about the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance.

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    • December 13, 2018, at 6:59 PM PDT
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  13. J Ro Member

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

    His crime was to slay the Clinton dragon and wipe up with the DNC. Now he must be punished for it by the powers that would never have punished Clintons or DNC for any crimes, no matter how obvious they have been. 

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    • December 13, 2018, at 7:53 PM PDT
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  14. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

    So that’s your standard, is it? Repeatedly changing his story to the American public about how much he knew about the Trump Tower meeting doesn’t count. Leaking classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office doesn’t count. Cheating on his wife doesn’t count. Overall morality doesn’t count. Overall assholery doesn’t count. The many crimes he committed before entering office don’t count.

    By that standard, Hillary too is completely innocent! How many crimes has she committed while president?

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    • December 13, 2018, at 10:09 PM PDT
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  15. EDISONPARKS Member

    DanielSterman (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

    So that’s your standard, is it? Repeatedly changing his story to the American public about how much he knew about the Trump Tower meeting doesn’t count. Leaking classified intelligence to Russians in the Oval Office doesn’t count. Cheating on his wife doesn’t count. Overall morality doesn’t count. Overall assholery doesn’t count. The many crimes he committed before entering office don’t count.

    By that standard, Hillary too is completely innocent! How many crimes has she committed while president?

    All of the above certainly “count” as to how a voter should decide who to vote into elected office, yet none of what you’ve stated above is criminal (the President can’t actually leak classified information, if the President decides the Russians should know, then the Ruskies get to know …. Trumps “leaking” in that instance was more just an idiot talking and not understanding the consequences of his words)

    The entire point of the Mueller Special Counsel is to search far and wide to discover “crimes he committed before entering office” which is not how we administer justice in the United States. We do not hire an exclusive prosecutor to go out and find unspecified crimes with no probable cause … other than you really really don’t like the guy.

    Don’t let your hatred of Trump undermine how our system of justice is supposed operate under our Constitution … as appealing as that may be.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 5:40 AM PDT
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  16. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    I’m not comfortable with our two tiered justice system which selects whom to prosecute and who to exonerate, and how the MSM sends the public into the vapors about a highly debatable election law violation, while simultaneously is able to induce the public into a coma about the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance.

    Neither am I. I just don’t think that Trump should be given a pass on anything he has done because of what the Clintons or Obama have been able to get away with. Yes the MSM stinks and yes we have a two tiered justice system. Trump has served his purpose by beating Hillary. We don’t need him anymore. He has spent his life using and discarding people. Time it was done to him. Clean up is needed on both sides of the aisle.

     

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    • December 14, 2018, at 6:19 AM PDT
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  17. EDISONPARKS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    I’m not comfortable with our two tiered justice system which selects whom to prosecute and who to exonerate, and how the MSM sends the public into the vapors about a highly debatable election law violation, while simultaneously is able to induce the public into a coma about the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance.

    Neither am I. I just don’t think that Trump should be given a pass on anything he has done because of what the Clintons or Obama have been able to get away with. Yes the MSM stinks and yes we have a two tiered justice system. Trump has served his purpose by beating Hillary. We don’t need him anymore. He has spent his life using and discarding people. Time it was done to him. Clean up is needed on both sides of the aisle.

    Make the case that when the Special Counsel was started to investigate possible collusion with the Russians in the 2016 election you were sure hoping Trump was going to be brought to justice for dubious election law violations associated with NDA agreements with women he had affairs with more than 10 years ago.

    Trump is an idiot, yet you should not be able to the abuse the criminal justice system to “get” someone because those with the power can get away with it.

    If you don’t like the guy vote him out.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 6:37 AM PDT
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  18. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Make the case that you when the Special Counsel was started to investigate possible collusion with the Russians in the 2016 election you were sure hoping Trump was going to be brought to justice for dubious election law violations associated with NDA agreements with women he had affairs with more than 10 years ago.

    I don’t think the election law violations are all that dubious and shouldn’t be ignored. But I’m not a lawyer. The payoffs were made in 2016 not 10 years ago. As for collusion, I’ve always believed it was more stupidity than collusion but I’m glad that Trump trying to make deals for a Trump Tower in Moscow has been brought to light. It may not be illegal but it is certainly unethical for the nominee. I don’t want him prosecuted but I’d love a deal to be struck that makes him go away and leaves us with Pence. 

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    • December 14, 2018, at 7:47 AM PDT
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  19. EDISONPARKS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Make the case that you when the Special Counsel was started to investigate possible collusion with the Russians in the 2016 election you were sure hoping Trump was going to be brought to justice for dubious election law violations associated with NDA agreements with women he had affairs with more than 10 years ago.

    I don’t think the election law violations are all that dubious and shouldn’t be ignored. But I’m not a lawyer. The payoffs were made in 2016 not 10 years ago. As for collusion, I’ve always believed it was more stupidity than collusion but I’m glad that Trump trying to make deals for a Trump Tower in Moscow has been brought to light. It may not be illegal but it is certainly unethical for the nominee. I don’t want him prosecuted but I’d love a deal to be struck that makes him go away and leaves us with Pence.

    To be clear, entering into an NDA is entirely legal. The issue is an arcane question of how the payments to the recipients were structured, not that there was hush money paid to women Trump had affairs with in the past.

    The issue of hush money and hiding skeletons in politicians closets is as old as the oldest profession itself, to be pretend this is the big deal breaker that Trump did this (and got away with it) comes off as contrived.

    Affairs and hush money are issues that are adjudicated at the ballot box, not in the courts.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 8:00 AM PDT
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  20. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Affairs and hush money are issues that are adjudicated at the ballot box, not in the courts.

    But voters would need to know about it to adjudicate at the ballot box. I’m glad they know about it now.

     

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    • December 14, 2018, at 9:11 AM PDT
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  21. Patrick McClure Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Hillary is Emmanuel Goldstein, isn’t she? Every evil in the world is justified as long as she’s hated more. She could literally die tomorrow and you’d still use her to justify anything evil that Trump does.

    Make whatever assumptions you wish. But please show me the crime the President has committed while in office.

    What Trump did during the campaign counts too.

    Again what crime did he commit? Pay his own money to the woman he had an affair with? Seek information from foreign sources about his opponent? Neither are crimes, and frankly not even civil violations. Your Trump-hatred blinds you to seeing that the government/MSM/Democrats have a two tier system of justice. But keep telling me how not wanting to prosecute non-crimes equals murder.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 9:20 AM PDT
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  22. EDISONPARKS Member

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Affairs and hush money are issues that are adjudicated at the ballot box, not in the courts.

    But voters would need to know about it to adjudicate at the ballot box. I’m glad they know about it now.

    There are future elections.

    Trump successfully(ie: kept the affairs under wraps) contracted into NDA’s (two that we know about) for the 2016 election, now the cat is out of the bag and the shocking news to voters is Trump has been unfaithful to his spouse …now the voters take that info into consideration when voting next time.

    You don’t appoint a Special Counsel to dig up questionable campaign finance violations which were never part of the original Mueller Russia investigation and arguably not criminal at all.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 11:01 AM PDT
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  23. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    Again what crime did he commit? Pay his own money to the woman he had an affair with? Seek information from foreign sources about his opponent? Neither are crimes, and frankly not even civil violations. Your Trump-hatred blinds you to seeing that the government/MSM/Democrats have a two tier system of justice. But keep telling me how not wanting to prosecute non-crimes equals murder.

    I don’t want to prosecute the creep – I just want him to go away! I am very well aware that the Democrats and the media (but I repeat myself) have a two tier system of justice and I don’t think it equals murder. I think that while Trump probably hasn’t committed crimes, he is a nasty, venal, lying sack of you know what and I don’t want to have to choose between him and an execrable Democrat in 2020! You may be fine with voting for a guy who praises Putin because he was trying to make a deal for a hotel after winning the Republican nomination but I don’t. Frankly I can see voting for him over Hillary but please, let’s let him go back to making shady deals with despots and run a decent candidate in 2020. 

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    • December 14, 2018, at 11:26 AM PDT
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  24. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):
    two tier system of justice

    In what world does “that guy got away with it” constitute a defense? No criminal justice system does that. No religion does that. Whatever happened to the objective morality Republicans used to believe in? What Trump did was wrong. Full stop. He cheated on every single one of his wives. He defrauded the American public by hiding it. He cheats all of his business partners and uses the threat of lawsuits to keep them from getting what they deserve. He leaked classified information to the Russians. He lies, constantly, everything from the most trivial things to those of the most import. He picks fights with people who did him no wrong. He hurts people, constantly.

    Hillary is long gone. It’s no longer a choice between him and her. It’s now a choice between him and Pence. Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

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    • December 15, 2018, at 9:57 AM PDT
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  25. Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu Coolidge

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

    Because he fights back.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 11:40 AM PDT
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  26. JuliaBlaschke Coolidge

    Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

    Because he fights back.

    Only for himself and I don’t care. Not buying his BS.

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  27. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Yehoshua Ben-Eliyahu (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

    Because he fights back.

    Even if that were true of him (which it isn’t) and even if there were nobody else who could do it too (which there are), that still doesn’t justify it.

    Under the assumption based on your name that you’re Jewish, that’s pure מצווה הבאה בעבירה.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 1:56 PM PDT
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  28. Patrick McClure Member

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

    He was elected to the office, has done a good job and has committed no impeachable offenses. I am completely unwilling to impeach a President and put the country through a crisis because you do not like him. Guess what? I don’t like his character either. But until he commits an impeachable offense I don’t believe he should be treated any differently than the schmuck who just vacated the office. And I will defend the office and the man in it from tantrum throwers who don’t like the voters’ choice. Not because he is Trump, but because I believe in the Constitution and what it stands for.

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    • December 16, 2018, at 7:15 PM PDT
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  29. EDISONPARKS Member

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    Why in God’s name would you want to keep Trump in office?

    He was elected to the office, has done a good job and has committed no impeachable offenses. I am completely unwilling to impeach a President and put the country through a crisis because you do not like him. Guess what? I don’t like his character either. But until he commits an impeachable offense I don’t believe he should be treated any differently than the schmuck who just vacated the office. And I will defend the office and the man in it from tantrum throwers who don’t like the voters’ choice. Not because he is Trump, but because I believe in the Constitution and what it stands for.

    The other issue is impeachment is obviously a of (D) Congressional Show Trial for the viewing pleasure (D) voters, the highly partisan MSM, as well as other assorted members of the Orange Man Bad crowd.

    Getting 66 votes in the Senate means 17 (R) Senators would have to vote to remove Trump and I’m certain there are not 17 (R)’s who are interested in being retired by their constituents (See Jeff Flake) in the next six years, because the one thing Senators of both Parties covet most is being a Senator.

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    • December 16, 2018, at 7:34 PM PDT
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  30. Daniel Sterman Listener

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    DanielSterman (View Comment):
    He was elected to the office, has done a good job and has committed no impeachable offenses. I am completely unwilling to impeach a President and put the country through a crisis because you do not like him. Guess what? I don’t like his character either. But until he commits an impeachable offense I don’t believe he should be treated any differently than the schmuck who just vacated the office. And I will defend the office and the man in it from tantrum throwers who don’t like the voters’ choice. Not because he is Trump, but because I believe in the Constitution and what it stands for.

    Who even mentioned impeachment? You can also withdraw support for him, demand he resign, tell your Congressional representatives to withdraw support for him and demand he resign. Would you, right here and now, be willing to do that?

    (But you’re also wrong about impeachment. The phrase “high crimes and misdemeanors”, as used in the 18th century, referred to any behavior unfit for the office, including such innocuous and non-illegal things as appointing unqualified people. Look up how threats of impeachment were used in the first 30 years of the republic.

    Finally, if the Republicans in the House and Senate were to replace Trump with Pence, that wouldn’t “put the country through a crisis”. If there were a voter’s choice between those two there is no doubt Pence would win.)

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    • December 16, 2018, at 10:28 PM PDT
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