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  1. Big Ern Inactive
    Big Ern
    @BigErn

    How do we deal with the issue of being unable to post because the chat window is constantly refreshing?

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  2. BThompson Inactive
    BThompson
    @BThompson

    5 EST? PST? What?

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  3. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    @Max

    BThompson:5 EST? PST? What?

    5PM New Hampshire time.

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  4. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    BThompson:5 EST? PST? What?

    I’m thinking that since the times in the Ricochet Live box are usually in PST, that is what they are going with here, but that is a guess and I’ll be checking in before that so I don’t miss it.

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  5. Max Ledoux Coolidge
    Max Ledoux
    @Max

    Percival:

    BThompson:5 EST? PST? What?

    I’m thinking that since the times in the Ricochet Live box are usually in PST, that is what they are going with here, but that is a guess and I’ll be checking in before that so I don’t miss it.

    New Hampshire. It’s not that difficult, people. :-)

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  6. BThompson Inactive
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    @BThompson

    Some weird editing voodoo took place here.

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  7. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Hey, bring the Show to South Carolina next y’all!

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  8. dittoheadadt Inactive
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    @dittoheadadt

    Regarding the debate, is this one of the best political ads ever or what? And on such short notice, to boot.

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  9. St. Salieri Member
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    Um, isn’t it after 5 p.m., there’s no way to listen to this live that I’m seeing.

    Yes, I am that stupid, go to the podcast – live location…

    Just used to the live debate bar on the main page.

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  10. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    St. Salieri:Um, isn’t it after 5 p.m., there’s no way to listen to this live that I’m seeing.

    Not getting it either, SS.

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  11. Caroline Inactive
    Caroline
    @Caroline

    I hope no one joined for this.

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  12. St. Salieri Member
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    Yes, it was a bust on my end…

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  13. harrisventures Inactive
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    @harrisventures

    I disagree with the Glop analysis. I think Rubio did great, Cruz as well. Christie did himself no favors. Carson was a snooze. Jeb! had some moments. Trump is insufferable.

    That is all.

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  14. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    harrisventures:I disagree with the Glop analysis. I think Rubio did great, Cruz as well. Christie did himself no favors. Carson was a snooze. Jeb! had some moments. Trump is insufferable.

    That is all.

    Pretty much my take as well.  Christie was doing okay in the beginning, but a little Chris goes a long, long way.

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  15. The Question Inactive
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    @TheQuestion

    Will it be possible to listen to the podcast recording, or was it only available when it was live?

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  16. Crow's Nest Inactive
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    How should Rubio have answered the “experience” question?

    I think something like this would have done him far better than the performance he gave:

    “You know, that’s a fair question. Not only for me, but for all of us. The Presidency of the United States is a very singular position. It is not only one of the most solemn duties someone may be called to undertake in the United States, it is one of the most powerful offices across the globe, and across time. There is no line item on any resume that can prepare you to handle that mantle of responsibility.

    Now, I like and respect Chris Christie, but as Governor of New Jersey he hasn’t run a Department of State, or a Department of Defense—and these are just the areas where the Executive, rightly, has the most discretion. So by his own criteria he, too, is lacking in the requisite experience where it matters most. But more than that: was Chris Christie born with the habits he has learned as a Chief Executive of a state, or did he learn them?

    What matters in a moment of crisis is not a man’s resume: it is his character, his vision, and how he goes about making a decision. Low hanging fruit doesn’t come to a President’s desk. I think I have the qualities necessary to make the key decisions and face the extraordinary challenges this nation will face in the next four years or I wouldn’t be standing on this stage. Its up to the voters to decide whether in their judgment I do, too.”

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  17. Benjamin Glaser Inactive
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    Judging from my FB feed evangelicals are seriously ticked over the flippant women and selective service comments by Rubio, Bush, etc…

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  18. Blue Yeti Admin
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    @BlueYeti

    The podcast will be released Monday AM

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  19. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    I’ll admit, I have weird views on this topic. To my mind, if we’re going to have women in the military, then they should be doing the same jobs as the men. And if women are serving in combat, then there’s no reason for them to not be eligible for the draft.

    This is what equality means. I’m with President Grant – the best way to get rid of a bad law is to enforce it vigorously.

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  20. Frank Monaldo Member
    Frank Monaldo
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    My impression is that Rubio was significantly damaged by Christie, but recovered somewhat by the end of the debate. Were people still watching or were impressions formed? It was probably not enough to boost Christie’s prospects but enough to damage Rubio’s.

    This stupidest issue was whether Obama was incompetent or deliberate in his actions. He could be both. Of course, it is easy to be an armchair debater. However, I wish someone had quoted the old saw, “Never assume maliciousness when incompetence is a sufficient explanation.” The rather narrow question which tripped everyone up is whether incompetence was sufficient.

    One good thing about the debates for all the candidates is that it will toughen the survivor up.

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  21. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Frank Monaldo: One good thing about the debates for all the candidates is that it will toughen the survivor up.

    My worry is that as candidates attack one another, the eventual nominee may lose the supporters of the candidates he attacked – and their votes.

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  22. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Hopefully you will not be in NH 4 years from now.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Frank Monaldo:My impression is that Rubio was significantly damaged by Christie, but recovered somewhat by the end of the debate. Were people still watching or were impressions formed? It was probably not enough to boost Christie’s prospects but enough to damage Rubio’s.

    This stupidest issue was whether Obama was incompetent or deliberate in his actions. He could be both. Of course, it is easy to be an armchair debater. However, I wish someone had quoted the old saw, “Never assume maliciousness when incompetence is a sufficient explanation.” The rather narrow question which tripped everyone up is whether incompetence was sufficient.

    One good thing about the debates for all the candidates is that it will toughen the survivor up.

    I think if one considers what has been visible and audible over the past seven years the conclusion has to be that we are getting plenty of both incompetence and malintent.

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  24. Mark Coolidge
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    As I reflected on the debate after it was over, what stayed with me at an emotional level was Christie’s assault on Rubio.  I was left thinking that Rubio looked like a young, uncertain kid reciting his lines.  I know he made some fine and knowledgeable comments later in the debate but that exchange stayed with me, so I think Christie achieved his goal, at least with me.

    In contrast, Cruz made a bad tactical error early on in responding to Carson on the Iowa issue.  His apology was fine and he should have stopped there but he then proceeded to blame CNN for it, giving Carson an opportunity to come back and leave me thinking “sometimes this guy just doesn’t know when to shut up”.  But the incident did not stick with me, unlike the Rubio-Christie exchange.

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  25. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    @Max

    Mark: In contrast, Cruz made a bad tactical error early on in responding to Carson on the Iowa issue. His apology was fine and he should have stopped there but he then proceeded to blame CNN for it, giving Carson an opportunity to come back and leave me thinking “sometimes this guy just doesn’t know when to shut up”.

    Just to clarify, you mean Cruz sometimes just doesn’t know when to shut up.

    Mark: As I reflected on the debate after it was over, what stayed with me at an emotional level was Christie’s assault on Rubio. I was left thinking that Rubio looked like a young, uncertain kid reciting his lines. I know he made some fine and knowledgeable comments later in the debate but that exchange stayed with me, so I think Christie achieved his goal, at least with me.

    I also think Christie hurt Rubio, or rather gave Rubio the opportunity to hurt himself. I don’t see Christie being helped by this, though. Rubio regurgitation of his talking points was disconcerting. There’s nothing wrong with hammering a point, but repeating a line nearly verbatim, especially when Christie had just accused him of mouthing a memorized 25 second line, is bizarre. But if anyone is helped by this, isn’t it Cruz?

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  26. Mark Coolidge
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    @GumbyMark

    Max Ledoux:

    Mark: In contrast, Cruz made a bad tactical error early on in responding to Carson on the Iowa issue. His apology was fine and he should have stopped there but he then proceeded to blame CNN for it, giving Carson an opportunity to come back and leave me thinking “sometimes this guy just doesn’t know when to shut up”.

    Just to clarify, you mean Cruz sometimes just doesn’t know when to shut up.

    Mark: As I reflected on the debate after it was over, what stayed with me at an emotional level was Christie’s assault on Rubio. I was left thinking that Rubio looked like a young, uncertain kid reciting his lines. I know he made some fine and knowledgeable comments later in the debate but that exchange stayed with me, so I think Christie achieved his goal, at least with me.

    I also think Christie hurt Rubio, or rather gave Rubio the opportunity to hurt himself. I don’t see Christie being helped by this, though.

    Thanks for the clarification – yes, I was referring to Cruz, not Carson.

    Christie helped himself a bit with me, but he certainly hurt Rubio more.  I should emphasize, I’m only speaking to my reaction.  I’m terrible at predicting the larger impacts of these debates.

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  27. Z in MT Member
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    @ZinMT

    Max,

    Will the audio be posted as a podcast?

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  28. Crow's Nest Inactive
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    Mark:As I reflected on the debate after it was over, what stayed with me at an emotional level was Christie’s assault on Rubio. I was left thinking that Rubio looked like a young, uncertain kid reciting his lines. I know he made some fine and knowledgeable comments later in the debate but that exchange stayed with me, so I think Christie achieved his goal, at least with me.

    One of the selling points of a Rubio candidacy has been that he is the best at making the case for conservatism; that he’s the most articulate defender of it who can convince many to come into the tent.

    That exchange with Christie weakened that selling point substantially. I agree with you, he got flustered.

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
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    Crow's Nest:

    Mark:As I reflected on the debate after it was over, what stayed with me at an emotional level was Christie’s assault on Rubio. I was left thinking that Rubio looked like a young, uncertain kid reciting his lines. I know he made some fine and knowledgeable comments later in the debate but that exchange stayed with me, so I think Christie achieved his goal, at least with me.

    One of the selling points of a Rubio candidacy has been that he is the best at making the case for conservatism; that he’s the most articulate defender of it who can convince many to come into the tent.

    That exchange with Christie weakened that selling point substantially. I agree with you, he got flustered.

    Cruz is frequently accused of delivering canned remarks on given subjects  and in answer to questions. I’ve seen him respond to the same or similar question on multiple occasions and I conclude that the essence of his response is the same, as it should be, although the particular verbiage is different. He has a deep understanding of issue so his responses are going to come out the same with different words because the words are not memorized. This debate showed definitively that Rubio’s points are delivered rote. I had seen this in earlier debates but never appearing so robotic. It certainly caused some lessoning of my favorability of Rubio.

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  30. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    @Max

    Z in MT:Max,

    Will the audio be posted as a podcast?

    Yes, tomorrow in GLoP and the Superfeed.

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