LoC #54 with She

 

On the latest episode of Land Of Confusion, the member show for members, by members where we interview members, we finally sit down and interview She.

We start as we now do with our members questions and learn a lot of information on the state of the wool industry in the USA and the culture of southern PA.  We then learn about She’s growing up in Nigeria, under the adventures of her colonial administrator father, and the life of a free roaming child in that West African Nation.

We then travel to the USA and learn about her time in school and living in the wilds of the heart of major PA city.

Then She talks about her life at the frontier of micro computing and how she helped bring about the introduction of word processers to that corner of the world and her love of the Atari 800.

Be sure to watch it all, and we will see you in the comments.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Okay nice feature, but that doesn’t make it easy to use for front-panel/machine-language programming. It’s much more useful to have immediate, obvious, and even physical indication of the switch positions, which you get from the paddle switches.

    Certainly; operation by feel is really nice.

    Nonetheless, it was a cool feature. And, in practice, it worked really well.

    I just don’t think it could possibly have been as easy/convenient/intuitive/etc for front-panel machine-language programming.  Granted HPs never were meant for that, but PDPs were.  And they started coming out in 1959 with the PDP-1.  HP’s front-panel design wasn’t very useful for machine-language, rather like the KL-10 “mainframe” which just used a PDP-11/60 for the “front panel” and had only a 16-bit internal arrangement whereas the actual PDP-10 was 36-bit.

    Now, HP, at the time, was not really in the computer biz. They were in the instrumentation biz, and they got into computing through the needs of automated testing. Likewise, automated testing drove their development of pen plotters, which eventually evolved into their printer biz.

    I know about HPIB too.  :-)  In fact I have a GRiD portable computer that uses it for the external floppy drive.  Nice unit with padded case and stuff.

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  2. OmegaPaladin Moderator
    OmegaPaladin
    @OmegaPaladin

    She (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But Word Processing on an Atari 800 was… not a serious endeavor… given the 40-character TV line length.

    You are correct. No-one in his right mind would do word processing on an Atari 800. Nor did I. It was a great game machine, a terrific tool if you wanted to develop games (Mr. She was quite good at this) and I still have the old Atari 800, the Rana disk drive, and the original cassette drive (I think that’s an Atari model)–for a price. As well as the 2600. But a word processor, the 800 was not.

    The NBI? Now that was a word processor! And as I said, if I were a power typist interested purely in text, I’d take my 1984 model in a heartbeat over anything manufactured today.

    However, honorable mention must go to the TRaSh-80 Model 100 which, although it only had an 8 line, 40 character display, was a tremendous keystroke-catcher and well ahead of its time.

    I worked for MCI Mail (a very interesting concept, also ahead of its time) for eighteen months, from home (telecommuting, before Covid made such a thing fashionable). We had to provide our own equipment. My setup was a TRS-80 model 100, an Okidata ML-92 dot matrix printer, and an acoustic coupler. Somehow, I made it work.

     

    Have you ever tried a mechanical keyboard?  They are rugged and don’t miss keystrokes.

    Really interesting conversation, and I love the slight British accent without going full Poppins.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But Word Processing on an Atari 800 was… not a serious endeavor… given the 40-character TV line length.

    You are correct. No-one in his right mind would do word processing on an Atari 800. Nor did I. It was a great game machine, a terrific tool if you wanted to develop games (Mr. She was quite good at this) and I still have the old Atari 800, the Rana disk drive, and the original cassette drive (I think that’s an Atari model)–for a price. As well as the 2600. But a word processor, the 800 was not.

    The NBI? Now that was a word processor! And as I said, if I were a power typist interested purely in text, I’d take my 1984 model in a heartbeat over anything manufactured today.

    However, honorable mention must go to the TRaSh-80 Model 100 which, although it only had an 8 line, 40 character display, was a tremendous keystroke-catcher and well ahead of its time.

    I worked for MCI Mail (a very interesting concept, also ahead of its time) for eighteen months, from home (telecommuting, before Covid made such a thing fashionable). We had to provide our own equipment. My setup was a TRS-80 model 100, an Okidata ML-92 dot matrix printer, and an acoustic coupler. Somehow, I made it work.

    Have you ever tried a mechanical keyboard? They are rugged and don’t miss keystrokes.

    Really interesting conversation, and I love the slight British accent without going full Poppins.

    In the olden days, N-Key Rollover was just a dream in an engineer’s eye.  You’d see ads for computers/keyboards with 2- and even 3-key rollover as if it was a really big deal.  And at the time, it was!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollover_(key)

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    The “console terminal” for the PDP-1 was actually an electric typewriter with some additions allowing the computer to read the keyboard and type back.

     

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  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    kedavis (View Comment):

    And that TV tube on the front, was that a CRT monitor?  No, it was a big OSCILLOSCOPE!  Displaying text/numbers like in that photo, meant DRAWING the characters, dot-by-dot!

    Mylar tape? Ooooh, fancy!

     

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  6. She Member
    She
    @She

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Really interesting conversation, and I love the slight British accent without going full Poppins.

    Thanks.  My family thinks I have an American accent….

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Have you ever tried a mechanical keyboard?

    Yes.  But not for decades, and I’ve never really thought about keyboard technology all that much, although once I find a decent keyboard, I tend to hold onto it and move it from computer to computer.  

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  7. She Member
    She
    @She

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Okay, I’ll be quiet now. :-) Just nice to swap stories with someone who has a similar technology background, or something.

    Yes it is.  I don’t often get to do it, and it’s one of the things I’ve enjoyed most about meeting Ricochet members IRL and having a chance to talk at length.  There’s an extraordinary reservoir of wide and keep knowledge to be found among the members of this site.

    Yesterday, I’m afraid Don had me at “NBI,” and it was off to the races for me from that point on…If we’d kept going, sooner or later, I’d have made it to one of my heroes, Augusta Ada, Countess Lovelace, and the Analytical Engine, and Jacquard looms, and weaving, and knitting, and spinning…and I’d have got round to sheep and wool again.

    Because I always do.

    Thanks again, everyone.

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  8. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But Word Processing on an Atari 800 was… not a serious endeavor… given the 40-character TV line length.

    I have an Atari 800 and 130 XE in the basement, along with a 2600 game console.

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  9. She Member
    She
    @She

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    But Word Processing on an Atari 800 was… not a serious endeavor… given the 40-character TV line length.

    I have an Atari 800 and 130 XE in the basement, along with a 2600 game console.

    Me too!  In one (or more) of these boxes, here somewhere….

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  10. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Apple II? Youngsters!

    You kids get off my lawn.

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  11. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    She (View Comment):
    Thanks.  My family thinks I have an American accent….

    Mid-Atlantic dialect.

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  12. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    You mentioned the War of Northern Aggression and how there were Pennsylvanians who were Southern sympathizers. Most people have no idea where the Mason-Dixon line is, but it’s right there at the bottom of Greene County, not too far from you.

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  13. She Member
    She
    @She

    Arahant (View Comment):

    You mentioned the War of Northern Aggression and how there were Pennsylvanians who were Southern sympathizers. Most people have no idea where the Mason-Dixon line is, but it’s right there at the bottom of Greene County, not too far from you.

    That’s right!  It’s about 50 miles south of me. That surprises many people who, for some reason, expect it to be much further south.

    Edit: that’s driving. I’m sure it’s much closer as the crow flies.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    She (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    You mentioned the War of Northern Aggression and how there were Pennsylvanians who were Southern sympathizers. Most people have no idea where the Mason-Dixon line is, but it’s right there at the bottom of Greene County, not too far from you.

    That’s right! It’s about 50 miles south of me. That surprises many people who, for some reason, expect it to be much further south.

    Edit: that’s driving. I’m sure it’s much closer as the crow flies.

    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”. She responded “It is to Ohio”. I was like, where am I from? “The Deep South”.

    Funny what people think. Of course, Loony Tunes got the north-south presented in a funny way:

     

     

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  15. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”.

    One of my great-great-great-grandfathers served in a Confederate cavalry regiment from Kentucky. He had been born in NC on that side of the NC/VA border, but his family moved west and a touch north to KY. Kentucky was originally part of Virginia.

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”.

    One of my great-great-great-grandfathers served in a Confederate cavalry regiment from Kentucky. He had been born in NC on that side of the NC/VA border, but his family moved west and a touch north to KY. Kentucky was originally part of Virginia.

    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

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  17. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    I had two great-great-grandfathers who served from Alabama. Also, I know that one of the Alabamans, Philip Madison Shepard, Jr., had a number of brothers who served. All of them were physicians. (So was their sister.) Their father had started the first medical school in Alabama.

    • #47
  18. She Member
    She
    @She

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    I had two great-great-grandfathers who served from Alabama. Also, I know that one of the Alabamans, Philip Madison Shepard, Jr., had a number of brothers who served. All of them were physicians. (So was their sister.) Their father had started the first medical school in Alabama.

    This exchange is fascinating! It’s making me think we need a program that consists of a panel of, perhaps three or four, ricochet members, with a specific interest or background chatting to each other about it. Could be a regular feature, or a separate show?

    • #48
  19. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    She (View Comment):
    This exchange is fascinating! It’s making me think we need a program that consists of a panel of, perhaps three or four, ricochet members, with a specific interest or background chatting to each other about it. Could be a regular feature, or a separate show?

    See if we could get @robertelee to participate. It could be fun. Just don’t invite the Yankees. They spoil everything.

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  20. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Apple II? Youngsters!

    You kids get off my lawn.

    Reminds me of this:

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  21. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    Stad (View Comment):

    Reminds me of this:

    I remember being on the back end of one of those, too.

    • #51
  22. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”.

    One of my great-great-great-grandfathers served in a Confederate cavalry regiment from Kentucky. He had been born in NC on that side of the NC/VA border, but his family moved west and a touch north to KY. Kentucky was originally part of Virginia.

    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    My GGGF Rufus Fabius Temple also served, North Carolina.

    • #52
  23. She Member
    She
    @She

    Stad (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”.

    One of my great-great-great-grandfathers served in a Confederate cavalry regiment from Kentucky. He had been born in NC on that side of the NC/VA border, but his family moved west and a touch north to KY. Kentucky was originally part of Virginia.

    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    My GGGF Rufus Fabius Temple also served, North Carolina.

    OK.  You’re on the panel.

    Who else?

    (Don’t look at me.  It should surprise no-one that none of my ancestors (AFAIK) served on either side of the American Civil War.)

    • #53
  24. She Member
    She
    @She

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Reminds me of this:

    I remember being on the back end of one of those, too.

    Bless you all.  You’re such guys.

    Get yourself a few of these:

    Or these:

    Put them to work.  And then sit back and enjoy a beer.

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  25. Arahant Member
    Arahant
    @Arahant

    She (View Comment):
    (Don’t look at me.  It should surprise no-one that none of my ancestors (AFAIK) served on either side of the American Civil War.)

    I had five direct ancestors in the war. (But don’t mention two of them.)

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  26. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    My family broke hard for the Union. Only one Confederate that I know of, and he was always no-account anyway.

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Just don’t invite the Yankees. They spoil everything.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Percival (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    And that TV tube on the front, was that a CRT monitor? No, it was a big OSCILLOSCOPE! Displaying text/numbers like in that photo, meant DRAWING the characters, dot-by-dot!

    Mylar tape? Ooooh, fancy!

     

    The DECtape/LINCtape systems were random-access, block-oriented data storage that worked like a disk drive (formatted sectors, etc.) just not as fast, but far less expensive.  The tape media also allowed for changing setups in ways that fixed hard drives didn’t.  (Removable disk packs were not a thing early on.)  And, to re-emphasize, MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE.  Even schools could afford them.  (Although my High School didn’t.  We only had the PDP-8/L with an ASR-33 teletype that had paper tape reader and punch, 10cps.)

    • #57
  28. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    She (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    I had two great-great-grandfathers who served from Alabama. Also, I know that one of the Alabamans, Philip Madison Shepard, Jr., had a number of brothers who served. All of them were physicians. (So was their sister.) Their father had started the first medical school in Alabama.

    This exchange is fascinating! It’s making me think we need a program that consists of a panel of, perhaps three or four, ricochet members, with a specific interest or background chatting to each other about it. Could be a regular feature, or a separate show?

    I’d be all for doing that. 

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    She (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    I was appalled to see “Florence Y’all” on a watertower in KY just south of Cincinnati. I turned to my wife from Ohio and said “Kentucky is the South?”.

    One of my great-great-great-grandfathers served in a Confederate cavalry regiment from Kentucky. He had been born in NC on that side of the NC/VA border, but his family moved west and a touch north to KY. Kentucky was originally part of Virginia.

    My Great-Great Grandfather, Nathan Bryan, served in the Confederate Army. Arkansas.

    My GGGF Rufus Fabius Temple also served, North Carolina.

    OK. You’re on the panel.

    Who else?

    (Don’t look at me. It should surprise no-one that none of my ancestors (AFAIK) served on either side of the American Civil War.)

    Do you mean the first one?

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  30. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Huh, I can’t find much of any mention of NBI on the modern day interwebs.  Not even a Wiki page.  

     


     

    So, with these olde computers and systems… there was a very sharp division between between industrial and consumer markets.  Where the industrial markets cost about 100 times the price of the home computers.

    And an enormous hole in between.

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