A Tale of Two Police Officers

 

The first Police Officer is a 26-year veteran of the department, with an excellent record.  This Police Officer made a traffic stop, of a vehicle with expired license tabs.  When the Officer ran the plates through the criminal justice database, the Officer discovered that the driver of the vehicle had an outstanding arrest warrant for assault, and carrying a firearm.  The Officer then got out of the squad car to speak with the driver.  A few minutes later, after the driver had worked himself loose from the handcuffs being applied, and gotten back into the vehicle to flee, the Police Officer shot him with her gun, while shouting “I’ll tase you, I’ll tase you!”  This Officer will be charged with second-degree manslaughter.  This Officer’s name and photo is all over the news, everywhere, and riots, burning, and looting are occurring all over the country, in support of the criminal victim.

The second Police Officer was present at a “riot” (also described in all of the Press as an “armed insurrection”).  The Officer, in the middle of a crowd of trespassers, shot and killed a “rioter”, while said rioter was standing near a window.  The person who was killed was a Veteran, with no criminal record of any kind, and was not engaging in any kind of destruction, nor was the person armed with any kind of weapon.  Due to “lack of sufficient evidence”, this Police Officer will not be charged with any crime.  This Officer has not been identified in the press, and no riots, looting, or burning are taking place in support of the innocent victim.

Do you need much more evidence that there are two classes of Police Officers in America these days?  The 26-year veteran of the Brooklyn Center, Minnesota Police Department resigned, along with the chief of police; her picture is all over the press, the criminal victim is being idolized by the Black Lives Matter Marxist supporters, and cities are being burned and looted in support of the criminal, Daunte Wright.

The Capitol Police Officer who shot the innocent demonstrator in Washington DC on January 6 has not in any way been identified in the media, and will not be charged with any crime for shooting to death the innocent Veteran, Ashli Babbitt.  The Officer obviously has the full support of the Democrats who now run the “Justice” Department, or he would have been identified before this.  The Officer must be kept from the opprobrium from conservatives, that would come forth if he were identified.

More of this kind of thing is coming, as the BLM ruins cities all over America the minute a police officer shoots any black criminal for any reason.  Most of these kinds of shootings are also taking place in large cities run by…you guessed it…Democrats.  With no consequences, no pushback by the poor black citizens who are mostly the ones victimized by the welfare state.  Those people keep electing the governments who have kept them in poverty for decades.  With the mostly-white City Councils calling for “defunding the police”, those poor blacks are calling for more police presence in their neighborhoods, not less.  This situation cannot end well.

[originally posted at RushBabe49.com]

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    RushBabe, Gary, and Hoyacon: I disagree with your characterization of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. She was not just standing there. She was attempting to climb in through an already broken window, at the entrance to the last lobby before the House chamber itself. The entrance (including the window) had been smashed at an earlier stage in the riot. She was wearing a backpack, so there was no way to know whether or not she was armed, and a possibility that she was carrying a bomb. In the circumstances, I think that the cop was justified in shooting her.

    I do agree that the difference in public and media reaction to the killers of Ms. Babbitt and Duante Wright is very disturbing.

    I endorse Jerry’s detailed description of the death of Ashli Babbitt.

    So, you also ignore that there were other cops within easy grab-her range who didn’t, and that nobody even warned her anything like “stop or I’ll shoot?”

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  2. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    RushBabe, Gary, and Hoyacon: I disagree with your characterization of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. She was not just standing there. She was attempting to climb in through an already broken window, at the entrance to the last lobby before the House chamber itself. The entrance (including the window) had been smashed at an earlier stage in the riot. She was wearing a backpack, so there was no way to know whether or not she was armed, and a possibility that she was carrying a bomb. In the circumstances, I think that the cop was justified in shooting her.

    I do agree that the difference in public and media reaction to the killers of Ms. Babbitt and Duante Wright is very disturbing.

    I endorse Jerry’s detailed description of the death of Ashli Babbitt.

    So, you also ignore that there were other cops within easy grab-her range who didn’t, and that nobody even warned her anything like “stop or I’ll shoot?”

    I suppose that, absent any information about what actually happened and why, we would be premature to speculate. For all we know, the officer intended to tase the woman and accidentally shot her.

    It does seem that, if it were a justifiable shooting, there would be nothing wrong with making known the identity of the shooter. In fact, justifiable or not, that seems a minimum required degree of transparency. Do we now have a national police force that can shoot an unarmed citizens anonymously, without the details being made public just so long as the people in charge assure us everything is okay? Is that how we want things to work?

    The shooting may have been justified. We don’t know. The suppression of information is completely unjustified, but typical of a Washington political machine that considers itself above any reasonable requirement of transparency or accountability.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    RushBabe, Gary, and Hoyacon: I disagree with your characterization of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. She was not just standing there. She was attempting to climb in through an already broken window, at the entrance to the last lobby before the House chamber itself. The entrance (including the window) had been smashed at an earlier stage in the riot. She was wearing a backpack, so there was no way to know whether or not she was armed, and a possibility that she was carrying a bomb. In the circumstances, I think that the cop was justified in shooting her.

    I do agree that the difference in public and media reaction to the killers of Ms. Babbitt and Duante Wright is very disturbing.

    I endorse Jerry’s detailed description of the death of Ashli Babbitt.

    So, you also ignore that there were other cops within easy grab-her range who didn’t, and that nobody even warned her anything like “stop or I’ll shoot?”

    I suppose that, absent any information about what actually happened and why, we would be premature to speculate. For all we know, the officer intended to tase the woman and accidentally shot her.

    It does seem that, if it were a justifiable shooting, there would be nothing wrong with making known the identity of the shooter. In fact, justifiable or not, that seems a minimum required degree of transparency. Do we now have a national police force that can shoot an unarmed citizens anonymously, without the details being made public just so long as the people in charge assure us everything is okay? Is that how we want things to work?

    The shooting may have been justified. We don’t know. The suppression of information is completely unjustified, but typical of a Washington political machine that considers itself above any reasonable requirement of transparency or accountability.

    Then (probably) he should have yelled “stop or I’ll tase!”  but as mentioned previously/elsewhere, I think it works better to just go with “shoot” both because people are more likely to stop, and if they do accidentally use a gun rather than taser, it would be harder to prosecute for a “mistake.”

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  4. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    In the various jurisdictions of the United States, I am positive that all officers involved in a shooting are identified by the agency they are a part of.

    In Alaska, there is a 3 day waiting period before the name(s) are released.

    Of course, Washington, D.C. isn’t a part of the United States.

    It’s sort of above it all…

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  5. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    RushBabe, Gary, and Hoyacon: I disagree with your characterization of the shooting of Ashli Babbitt. She was not just standing there. She was attempting to climb in through an already broken window, at the entrance to the last lobby before the House chamber itself. The entrance (including the window) had been smashed at an earlier stage in the riot. She was wearing a backpack, so there was no way to know whether or not she was armed, and a possibility that she was carrying a bomb. In the circumstances, I think that the cop was justified in shooting her.

    I do agree that the difference in public and media reaction to the killers of Ms. Babbitt and Duante Wright is very disturbing.

    I endorse Jerry’s detailed description of the death of Ashli Babbitt.

    That’s nice.  Would you consider responding to my posts at #s 2 & 22, one of which is in direct response to your own?

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    Let’s tease this apart. The rioter was massed outside of an entrance to a secured non-public portion of the House of Representatives. She wasn’t just “standing there,” she was part of the mob seeking to bully their way in. You say that she was not engaging in any kind of destruction. No. She was part of the mob who were working on shattering a window to gain access. To call her a “victim” is the height of hyperbole and minimization.

    Let’s tease it further. An unarmed woman was shot and killed. We do have a video that gives no indication that she presented an imminent threat to the unknown shooter. It is true that she was attempting to enter the lobby through a window, but had not yet done so. It is also clear that other officers were behind her and within about six feet of her. In the absence of any report on the incident over the course of four months, quibbling about whether she is a “victim” is emblematic of minimization.

     

    Jonathan Turley basically said all of this on Fox and friends this morning. He sort of characterized the DOJ rhetoric on it as pretty suspicious. He thinks there should be more public analysis, one way or another. Something like that. The video isn’t posted yet.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    Ashli Babbitt put herself in a situation that she had no control over. When you see barricaded doors, and furniture blocking doors and the windows on either side of doors, unless you built the barricade you should probably assume someone doesn’t want you on the other side of the barricade. Should the investigative report be made public? My answer is yes.

    Jonathan Turley said this, this morning on Fox news. He is suspicious of the rhetoric the DOJ is using.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    On a related note, have you noticed how the shooting in Atlanta just went away? I listen very closely to the legal discussion about that. That cop had at least four legal green lights to shoot that guy in the back. That is what the state of Georgia wants him to do and he gets trained on it every single year.

     

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Jonathan Turley starts talking about it at seven minutes all the way to the end in basically two parts 

     

    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6249068987001#sp=show-clips

     

    Apparently he has a new column at USA today that is not on his website, yet.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    While she was clearly trespassing and at the forefront of a riot, there is no claim that she was threatening any officer or possible person with serious bodily injury or death. Indeed, near her were other officers who could have been hit by the round. (Babbitt was trying to climb through a broken door in the Speaker’s Lobby as police fought back the mob).

    If the officer intended to shoot Babbitt, it would not likely meet the standard for a justified shooting under governing cases like Tennessee v. Garner (1985). If the officer fired blindly or wildly, it would appear to have many of the same negligent elements as the Wright shooting.

    In rejecting charges, the Justice Department statement notably does not say that the shooting was clearly justified. Instead, it noted that “prosecutors would have to prove not only that the officer used force that was constitutionally unreasonable, but that the officer did so ‘willfully.’”  It stressed that this element requires a showing of “a bad purpose to disregard the law” and that “evidence that an officer acted out of fear, mistake, panic, misperception, negligence, or even poor judgment cannot establish the high level of intent.”

     

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/04/15/police-mistakes-and-difference-between-wright-and-babbit-shootings-column/7225813002/

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