Was the 2020 Election Flawless? Does It Matter?

 

Earlier this week, Michael Anton wrote an essay at American Greatness that asked an interesting question: Why do the Election’s Defenders Require My Agreement?  It really is an interesting question because, in the end, they got exactly what they wanted: Joe Biden is the President.  Donald Trump is gone to Mar-a-Lago.  What more do they want/need?  Well, it seems that they require that everyone agree that the 2020 election was run completely above board.  It was the essence of American Democracy and had zero corruption at any level.  To even question such a thing is to strike a blow at the very fabric of our country and to commit the sins of sedition and insurrection.

It seems that there are only two opinions that can be held today: that the 2020 election was perfect in every way, that Joe Biden won, fair and square, and that this is a repudiation of everything that Trump stood for.  The other is that the election was stolen and you support Trump trying to stage a coup and install himself as El Presidente for life.

What is amazing is how the “official” line brooks no dissent from its orthodoxy.  Look at Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz and their questioning of the 2020 election.  To even bring up an official question about the conduct of the election got them excoriated by the Left, and abandoned by the Right.  If you really press someone they might admit that every election has fraud, but that there is no proof that this one had enough fraud to overturn the result.  Don’t you love that moving goalpost?

For them, it seems, fraud is OK, as long as it isn’t so blatant that the person gets caught, or large enough that it obviously changes the results.  In fact, even when it is blatant and large enough to actually affect the outcome, we daren’t talk about it.  What if the people realize that the elections aren’t actually as above board as they think they are?  What if they realize that they haven’t been for a long time?  What if they realize that we have always known that, but it wasn’t worth it to us to stop them because we benefit from the corrupt system?

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  1. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!)
    @DonG

    “they” have moved from caring about what you think to forcing you say their narrative aloud.  Standard fascist tool to oppress and gaslight the serfs. 

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  2. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    I thought this one was also interesting and fits in with your article:

    America’s Yeltsin?

    They did it to Russia before they did it to us. 

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  3. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    (I’ll probably get in trouble for this, but…)

    Winning an election is a demonstration of political power.

    Winning by fraud is a demonstration of even more political power.

    If the fraud is blazingly obvious and the other side is afraid to speak up, well, that’s a demonstration of fascism levels of political power.

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  4. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one.  From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.'”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is.  But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

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  5. Richard Easton Member
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    People who called the FBI to report fraud said they never called back. The FBI has lost all credibility. Jim Comey was not an exception.

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  6. Goldgeller Member
    Goldgeller
    @Goldgeller

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    It would be interesting to know the level of fraud because a lot of academics are committed to a relatively extreme position that voting fraud in presidential and congressional elections doesn’t happen. I’m sure they don’t really mean “not a single ballot is fraudulent” but the public facing position they put out is very extreme. They will tell you all sorts of reasons why no one even wastes time trying to commit even minor fraud. 

    Following that, the question is good. I think the answer is probably that if there is even a small level of fraud, many liberals fear conservatives will use it as a chance to push for things like voter ID and other restrictions or hurdles to either registering or voting, or both. And they hate the idea of limiting turnout for genuinely egalitarian reasons and also they believe they will win with higher turnout.

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  7. Arthur Beare Member
    Arthur Beare
    @ArthurBeare

    Dbroussa:

    It seems that there are only two opinions that can be held in today. One is that the 2020 election was perfect in every way, that Joe Biden won, fair and square, and that this is a repudiation of everything that Trump stood for. The other is that the election was stolen and you support Trump trying to stage a coup and install himself as El Presidente for life.

    Well, golly, if I have to chose one of those . . .

     

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  8. Hang On Member
    Hang On
    @HangOn

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    The usual gaslighting. Election laws and procedures were changed by judges at the  last minute and not by legislatures. But supposed Reagan Republicans are ok with that. Large corporate media and Silicon Valley deliberately suppressed any news unfavorable to China Joe. But that’s ok with supposed Reagan Republicans. And now we are supposed to believe the election results have legitimacy. I guess you have to be a supposed Reagan Republican to swallow that one.

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  9. Mountie Coolidge
    Mountie
    @Mountie

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    When you live in a 50/50 electorate you only need 1/2 of 1% to win. In Georgia Biden got 10,000 more votes than Trump. That’s 10,000 out of 5,000,000 votes or .002 %.  There are lawsuits and investigations ongoing in Georgia but we could be years away  at any convictions. 

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  10. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    Since  the lie about the GOP election challenges being universally dismissed or found baseless is being repeated, here is the most up-to-date source on can find on the real state of play in the lawsuits related to the 2020 elections: wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

    If anyone has better information, please share it.

    Also-  those who claim they want conservatives to unite but then slander those of us who credit the evidence of election fraud in 2020 as presenting baseless claims are working cross purposes. If you want unity, admit you’re wrong and that there is more than sufficient evidence of fraud in Biden’s favor in particular, and that it is entirely reasonable to view the election results with suspicion.

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  11. Old Bathos Moderator
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    The election was fair and legal in exactly the same way that OJ Simpson is innocent of double homicide.  There is a process with burdens of proof.  The fact that there were narrow wins in three states where patterns and counts were suspect does not meet the requisite burden without further granular evidence which is virtually impossible to produce in the time allowed. 

    But I don’t have to like OJ or think of him as a good man.  Nor do I have to believe that Judge Ito did not screw the pooch on the admissibility of EDTA evidence without quantification testing.  Similarly, I do not have to believe that the investigation by the FBI was comprehensive, that the number of out-of-state, fictitious or deceased voters was quantified in  Milwaukee or Atlanta.  And the fact that Philadelphia Democrats ALWAYS cheat and Mr. Barr’s guys could not muster even a token prosecution in any of the 50 or so precincts which routinely have turnouts in the range of 100%+ leads me to believe that these investigations were largely cursory in nature.

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  12. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    And Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. And Hillary committed no crimes and Barr was correct to exonerate her by foregoing any action; And Durham, some day soon,  will issue a scathing report about the FBI, the Mueller  Report, and bring indictments against multiple individuals including James Comey, Clapper, and Brenner, who will all be convicted and imprisoned for their crimes.; and of course, the FBI at this point is not following up on anything, per instructions from above, if they ever were, which is doubtful; and Times Magazine describing how there was a massive nationwide effort by multiple parties to slant the playing field, stack the deck, block information, violate state election laws by state election officials, and distribute hundreds of millions of dollars stealthily to essentially buy votes in Democrat strongholds like Fulton County in Georgia, and many others–none of this is material, is it?  A free and fair election?

    Who are you trying to kid?  Yourself?

    Let us know when you find out what happened to the Semi trailer filled with a quarter of a million marked ballots that disappeared in Pennsylvania.

    Are you per chance in the market for a bridge in Brooklyn at a very competitive price?

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  13. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Gary Robbins: But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    That dog doesn’t hunt. One, the courts are not investigative bodies. Two, dismissal of a law suit is not a finding of anything other than the fact that the judge or judges wanted nothing to do with this.

    And that, in and of itself becomes a serious problem. We cover politics like we cover sports: Who’s on offense, who’s on defense, who’s winning and who’s losing. The idea that the inability to move the ball in court is therefore commented upon and reported on in those terms. That’s bad because it is completely irrelevant to the larger problem, which is that half the country (or more) have come to the conclusion that the people in control of the system are corrupt and as a result they no longer have faith in that system. So, waving this away and saying, “I got what I wanted and there’s nothing to see here,” may satisfy the winners and losers narrative but it does absolutely nothing to the re-establishment of trust. If anything, it merely does more damage.

    If the people who have been screaming about lost norms and the rule of law for the last four years truly had the best interests of the country at heart, they would embrace the idea of litigating this and other issues of the public trust in some form, shape or manner, be it in the courts, in the legislative hearings or merely through good journalism.

    When SCOTUS shut down the selective recount in Florida in 2000, Gannett (the owners of USAToday) and the Miami Herald stepped up to the plate and paid an outside firm to do what the government did not. But not this time, because “Orange Man Bad” is more important and trust in the Republic can go to hell.

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  14. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
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    @JoALT

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    “they” have moved from caring about what you think to forcing you say their narrative aloud. Standard fascist tool to oppress and gaslight the serfs.

    Completely agree. The Giant Cabal must go all the way and have everlasting power as the only way to cover up this massive crime. 

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  15. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
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    @JoALT

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    (I’ll probably get in trouble for this, but…)

    Winning an election is a demonstration of political power.

    Winning by fraud is a demonstration of even more political power.

    If the fraud is blazingly obvious and the other side is afraid to speak up, well, that’s a demonstration of fascism levels of political power.

    Democrats have been flipping their finger at the constitution since they have stolen the election without consequences. From violation of impeachment procedures, to firing a duly elected congresswoman without due process, to faking evidences presented during impeachment, dictatorial numbers of executive orders, insulting vetted Military men & women etc. In fact, the participants of the rigged election ( a fortified election = a rigged election) are so proud of themselves, many like Molly Ball cannot contain themselves and need to openly gloat about this. We see zero reaction from their lawlessness. In fact, we see SCOTUS intimidated. Even the bravest of the lot, Justice Thomas, had to add a paragraph to state that we are lucky the violation of election laws was not large enough to change the outcome – wait a minute, how does he know that? He hasn’t even examine the evidence. 1.6 million PA voters with 2.2 million votes. With SCOTUS acting like an endorsement chamber of the Democrat lawlessness, can Moral Courage survive?

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  16. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
    Joan of Ark La Tex
    @JoALT

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    Michigan just threw out 177,000 fraudulent voter names on their book. Biden won by 154,000. I don’t think Barr had the right info. We know that polarization exist in intelligence as according to DNI Director Radcliffe. Barr was also not supporting Trump.

    According to Peter Navarro, Bill Barr was fast-tracking Biden’s Executive Orders while he was slow-walking President Trump’s. Navarro shared that the last checkmark that had to be done to complete the Executive Order (EO) process was to run the order by the Department of Justice (DOJ):

    Here’s the news behind the news. Bill Barr, President Trump’s Attorney General, also it turns out, happens to be Joe Biden’s first Attorney General because here was what was happening. Trump had over 30 executive orders queued after Election Day, ready to go but they kept running into these roadblocks, roadblocks, and hurdles. It turned out that Bill Barr’s office of legal counsel was fast-tracking all of these Biden EO’s.

    Navarro went on to explain how the DOJ helped approve a Biden EO where he allowed the Chinese access to the US power grid which would have horrible consequences if the US gets into a predicament with China. Biden’s order will allow China to take down the US grid and Barr’s DOJ approved it. At the same time, Navarro was unable to get through an order on offshoring which never went through the DOJ.

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  17. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
    Joan of Ark La Tex
    @JoALT

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I am with former Attorney General William Barr on this one. From December 1, 2020:

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    People who called the FBI to report fraud said they never called back. The FBI has lost all credibility. Jim Comey was not an exception.

    Infact, many were intimidated. The truck driver in PA who dropped off the fake ballots, the post office guy told to back date mail in ballots, they were all initimated by FBI. In georgia, Local FBI agents stopped the DHS truck which had obtained the boxes of fake ballots from a warehouse and shredded them themselves. 

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  18. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
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    @JoALT

    Mountie (View Comment):
    Democrats

    No one can look at that Video of Ballot stuffing and the spike of 100,000+ votes ALL going for Biden at that same time frame and say there was no election fraud in good faith. We have criminals running this country , we won’t hear any truth. Georgia seems extremely corrupt at all levels. The only good news I have heard so far is  Georgia state Senate on Feb. 23 approved a package of measures that would enable several changes to state election laws in response to the Nov. 3 presidential election.

    Among them, Senate Bill 67, which passed the Republican-controlled Senate in 35–18 vote, requires voters to submit a driver’s license number, state identification card number, or a photocopy of an approved form of identification in order to get an absentee ballot.

    A lot more is going on in AZ. I hope to see the same level of determination in Georgia. 

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  19. The_Admin() Admin
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    @Max

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    “… Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.

    “Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.

    “Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but ‘to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.’”

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    There’s not a lot of evidence that the Department of Just Us actually attempted to uncover much evidence. But Barr admits above that they did, actually, find evidence of voter fraud.

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  20. Full Size Tabby Member
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    @FullSizeTabby

    I’m inclined to the position that there wasn’t enough election fraud to change the outcome of the presidential election. Too many distributed parts to the election process. But the complete lack of interest by elected politicians, by the bureaucracy, and by the media in investigating to confirm that, combined with the concerted efforts to silence anyone who even raises a question (calling them names, dragging them before professional ethics tribunals, firing them from jobs), and to try to force people to affirm that the election was “fair,” strongly suggest that the fraud may have been more than nominal.

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  21. Dbroussa Coolidge
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    @Dbroussa

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    I’m inclined to the position that there wasn’t enough election fraud to change the outcome of the presidential election. Too many distributed parts to the election process. But the complete lack of interest by elected politicians, by the bureaucracy, and by the media in investigating to confirm that, combined with the concerted efforts to silence anyone who even raises a question (calling them names, dragging them before professional ethics tribunals, firing them from jobs), and to try to force people to affirm that the election was “fair,” strongly suggest that the fraud may have been more than nominal.

    That lack of interest is indicative that something isn’t right.  Its sort of like SCOTUS dismissing the suits brought in PA now that the election is over because the question is moot.  While that is legally correct, the people who should be looking into this claim that its the courts that should do it.  When no one wants to investigate, it starts to stink.  There is an old saw in statistics that if you flip a coin 99 times and each comes up heads, what are the odds that the next flip will also heads?  50% is the correct answer.  But, if you ask me how likely it is that you will flip a coin and it will come up heads 100 times in a row that is 1/2^100 power.  When the 30 bellweather counties that have correctly picked the President with a 95% accuracy for the past 15-20 elections almost all go the other way (1 went for Biden), that isn’t proof, but its a data point.  When you then add in the oddities of the counting, its not proof, but a data point.  After a while, when all of those data points are going one way, that isn’t coincidence anymore, but a pattern.

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  22. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Mountie (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

     

    This not to say that there was a degree of election fraud; there always is. But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    When you live in a 50/50 electorate you only need 1/2 of 1% to win. In Georgia Biden got 10,000 more votes than Trump. That’s 10,000 out of 5,000,000 votes or .002 %. There are lawsuits and investigations ongoing in Georgia but we could be years away at any convictions.

    Actually, that is 2/1000 or .2%, but not .02%.

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  23. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Since the lie about the GOP election challenges being universally dismissed or found baseless is being repeated, here is the most up-to-date source on can find on the real state of play in the lawsuits related to the 2020 elections: wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

    If anyone has better information, please share it.

    Also- those who claim they want conservatives to unite but then slander those of us who credit the evidence of election fraud in 2020 as presenting baseless claims are working cross purposes. If you want unity, admit you’re wrong and that there is more than sufficient evidence of fraud in Biden’s favor in particular, and that it is entirely reasonable to view the election results with suspicion.

    I love the statement “[i]f you want unity, admit you’re wrong”!  The same could be said about nominating Trump in 2016 and/or 2016, any vote to not allow the Arizona and Pennsylvania votes, and voting against impeachment and/or conviction.  

    Right now, there is a 25+% of the Republican Party who don’t want Trump.  Maybe 5% are NeverTrumpers like me, and 10% are Never Again Trumpers (NAT).  Trump lost Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by .2%, .3%, .6% and 1.2%, which reflects the Never Trump vote.  Without the Never Again Trump vote, he also loses Michigan (again) and North Carolina and Florida.  

    The choice is yours.  Keep Trump and lose.  Dump Trump and win.

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  24. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins: But, after 60+ lawsuits before 90+ judges and justices, I conclude that any fraud was nominal.

    That dog doesn’t hunt. One, the courts are not investigative bodies. Two, dismissal of a law suit is not a finding of anything other than the fact that the judge or judges wanted nothing to do with this.

    With all due respect, the Courts are investigative bodies.  Start calling witnesses.  Also, are there no Grand Juries available to investigate?

    When SCOTUS shut down the selective recount in Florida in 2000, Gannett (the owners of USAToday) and the Miami Herald stepped up to the plate and paid an outside firm to do what the government did not. But not this time, because “Orange Man Bad” is more important and trust in the Republic can go to hell.

    There were both a hand and a machine recount in Georgia.  I would be happy for there to be hand recounts in Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.  Let’s put this canard to bed.

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  25. Gary Robbins Reagan
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Joan of Ark La Tex (View Comment):

    Mountie (View Comment):
    Democrats

    No one can look at that Video of Ballot stuffing and the spike of 100,000+ votes ALL going for Biden at that same time frame and say there was no election fraud in good faith. We have criminals running this country , we won’t hear any truth. Georgia seems extremely corrupt at all levels. The only good news I have heard so far is Georgia state Senate on Feb. 23 approved a package of measures that would enable several changes to state election laws in response to the Nov. 3 presidential election.

    Among them, Senate Bill 67, which passed the Republican-controlled Senate in 35–18 vote, requires voters to submit a driver’s license number, state identification card number, or a photocopy of an approved form of identification in order to get an absentee ballot.

    That is inaccurate on two counts.  First, the bill might have been SB 1067 or HB 2067, but it positively was not numbered #67.  Second, there are only 30 members of the State Senate, thus no bill could possibly pass the State Senate by 35-18.

    A lot more is going on in AZ. I hope to see the same level of determination in Georgia.

     

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  26. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHill
    @EJHill

    Gary Robbins: With all due respect, the Courts are investigative bodies. Start calling witnesses. Also, are there no Grand Juries available to investigate?

    No. They don’t investigate anything. They decide the merits of other people’s investigations. And how does a case get before a grand jury? C’mon counselor, do better.

    There were both a hand and a machine recount in Georgia. I would be happy for there to be hand recounts in Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Let’s put this canard to bed.

    If I hand you a stack of 5 million one dollar bills and 17% of them are counterfeit, how many times will you have to count them to find the bogus bills? The answer is, of course, that if all you’re doing is counting and assuming that they are all legit, you won’t find any. And this type of dismissive attitude is exactly why such arguments don’t get any traction.

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  27. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
    Joan of Ark La Tex
    @JoALT

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Among them, Senate Bill 67, which passed the Republican-controlled Senate in 35–18 vote, requires voters to submit a driver’s license number, state identification card number, or a photocopy of an approved form of identification in order to get an absentee ballot.

    (Joalt Slammed LOUD BUZZ BUTTON!) No Gary, you are wrong and I am right. Click on Legiscan website  , type in State : Georgia, Type in Bill No. 67 and read it yourself. Click on Votes tab to see the number of votes. See it? We cannot all be accurate all of the time. Sometimes maybe, some of your ricochet family minion can be more right than you. I can just hear you, Gary. I accept your apology. (click below)

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  28. Joan of Ark La Tex Member
    Joan of Ark La Tex
    @JoALT

    Today in Arizona: Judge rules Maricopa County must provide 2.1 million ballots from 2020 election to Arizona Senate for audit under subpoenas!

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  29. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    @HartmannvonAue

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Since the lie about the GOP election challenges being universally dismissed or found baseless is being repeated, here is the most up-to-date source on can find on the real state of play in the lawsuits related to the 2020 elections: wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

    If anyone has better information, please share it.

    Also- those who claim they want conservatives to unite but then slander those of us who credit the evidence of election fraud in 2020 as presenting baseless claims are working cross purposes. If you want unity, admit you’re wrong and that there is more than sufficient evidence of fraud in Biden’s favor in particular, and that it is entirely reasonable to view the election results with suspicion.

    I love the statement “[i]f you want unity, admit you’re wrong”! The same could be said about nominating Trump in 2016 and/or 2016, any vote to not allow the Arizona and Pennsylvania votes, and voting against impeachment and/or conviction.

    Right now, there is a 25+% of the Republican Party who don’t want Trump. Maybe 5% are NeverTrumpers like me, and 10% are Never Again Trumpers (NAT). Trump lost Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by .2%, .3%, .6% and 1.2%, which reflects the Never Trump vote. Without the Never Again Trump vote, he also loses Michigan (again) and North Carolina and Florida.

    The choice is yours. Keep Trump and lose. Dump Trump and win.

    Admit you are wrong about the claims being baseless, which you are. Also, there are polls out there indicating that nearly half (46%) of Republican voters are  ready to walk with Trump and form their own party if he were to decide to do that. 46% beats 25% Gary. And if we lose and the left gets the de facto one-party rule it wants, it will be (and the situation we have now is) the fault of people like you.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Since the lie about the GOP election challenges being universally dismissed or found baseless is being repeated, here is the most up-to-date source on can find on the real state of play in the lawsuits related to the 2020 elections: wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2020_Election_Cases.htm

    If anyone has better information, please share it.

    Also- those who claim they want conservatives to unite but then slander those of us who credit the evidence of election fraud in 2020 as presenting baseless claims are working cross purposes. If you want unity, admit you’re wrong and that there is more than sufficient evidence of fraud in Biden’s favor in particular, and that it is entirely reasonable to view the election results with suspicion.

    I love the statement “[i]f you want unity, admit you’re wrong”! The same could be said about nominating Trump in 2016 and/or 2016, any vote to not allow the Arizona and Pennsylvania votes, and voting against impeachment and/or conviction.

    Right now, there is a 25+% of the Republican Party who don’t want Trump. Maybe 5% are NeverTrumpers like me, and 10% are Never Again Trumpers (NAT). Trump lost Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by .2%, .3%, .6% and 1.2%, which reflects the Never Trump vote. Without the Never Again Trump vote, he also loses Michigan (again) and North Carolina and Florida.

    The choice is yours. Keep Trump and lose. Dump Trump and win.

    The actual issue is MAGA policies.

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