It’s Time to Make a List

 

Powerline has publicized Amazon de-listing a book from its retail site, effectively “disappearing” it. Amazon may yet reverse its action and claim some form of “error” in the de-listing. But it has happened before and may become a regular occurrence in the future.

In response it is appropriate to ask the following question: If it was your responsibility to preserve the ability for society to “rediscover” the ideas necessary to reformulate Western Civilization, readily accessible by the folk of the future (not solely scholars) with the smallest library of physical books, what would your list be?

One may say this is wholly unnecessary. But who would have thought they would be coming after Washington and Lincoln? It’s time to consider the unthinkable, and plan the strategy for reformulating society.

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  1. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    http://walterewilliams.com/Libertas.pdf

    pages 16-18

     

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  2. Rodin Member
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    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    http://walterewilliams.com/Libertas.pdf

    pages 16-18

     

    Excellent!

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  3. MISTER BITCOIN Inactive
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    http://walterewilliams.com/Libertas.pdf

    pages 16-18

     

    Excellent!

    I sent it to all my ‘ignorant’ friends

    I mean ‘ignorant’ in the nicest way possible

     

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  4. aardo vozz Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Could we include:

    The Way Things Ought to Be, Limbaugh

    See, I told you So, Limbaugh

    Liberal Fascism, Goldberg

    Witness, Chambers

    Liberty and Tyranny, Levin

    In Fifty Years We’ll All be Chicks, Corolla

    Amusing Ourselves to Death, Postman

    The Strange Death of Europe, Murray

    Economics in One Lesson, Hazlitt

    Mere Christianity, Lewis

    The Prince, Machiavelli

    God’s Debris, Adams

    And maybe, when none of it makes any difference, Sailing Alone Around the World, Slocum

    If you’re going to include Machiavelli’s “ The Prince” you should also include his “ The Discourses “

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  5. Rodin Member
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    Interesting website: https://libertylibrary.org. Good resource but vulnerable to Big Tech. 

    The thought also occurred that the Will and Ariel Durant’s Story of Civilization series is a good balance of scholarship-popularization of concepts. 

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  6. Stad Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    A good list, but the problem remains that a lot of these books require scholarship to make them accessible to a potential audience. On the other hand, popular summaries untethered to original sources leave much to the invention of the summarizer. I guess my question is what works focus the average mind in the direction of enlightened thought.

    We should start with “Fun With Dick and Jane” and work our way up to the books on the list . . .

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  7. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Passing Time in the Loo – Volume One (not kidding – it has everything you could imagine, presidential history, baseball scores, famous quotes, reviews of the great Classics, attitudes at work, how to stay healthy, great artists and painters, they crammed a lot in here – wonder what the other volumes have?

    How to Build a Fire and Other Handy Things Your Grandfather Knew by Erin Bried – everything from how to wax a mustache, to breaking in a baseball mitt, to how to ask for help………….

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  8. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    Guilt, Blame, and Politics” by Allan Levite

    Why Government Doesn’t Work” by Harry Browne

    On Liberty” by John Stuart Mill

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    Robert Herring (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Powerline has publicized Amazon de-listing a book from its retail site, effectively “disappearing” it.

    It says Amazon has dropped it from its Audible site, too. So if someone already purchased it for his Audible library, does that mean they ripped it out of the library, too? That would seem to be a problem. If I had it on my phone now I presume it would stay on my phone, but what about when I buy a new phone and need to move my library? It had better be available for download for people who’ve already bought it.

    Audible is trying to push people into its rental system where instead of buying books you sort of rent them by paying a flat monthly fee. This possibility is one reason I’m not going along with it. (There are also other reasons.)

    I always download Kindle books to my computer so that Amazon can’t take them back like they did some years ago when someone claimed they didn’t have proper permission to sell Orwell’s 1984 (talk about irony!)

    I got myself confused a little bit. It’s Kindle that’s trying to go to the rental system. However, I see worrisome signs that Audible wants  something like that, too. Judging by the way they make their app harder to use, they seem to be tired of the book business and wanting to get into something more like podcasting. 

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  10. John Hanson Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    Think I would want to add Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

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  11. OkieSailor Member
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    A likely starting place is Fahrenheit 451, just to help them understand the nature of the problem they are dealing with.

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  12. Rodin Member
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    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    A likely starting place is Fahrenheit 451, just to help them understand the nature of the problem they are dealing with.

    Good point, but I think you start with describing Atlantis and then talk about how it was lost. They have to be made to want an outcome before talking about the path. 

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  13. Manny Coolidge
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    When I did a search for “When Harry Became Sally” on Amazon, I got quite a few conservative looking titles along the same line of thinking.  I’m not sure why they have delisted that particular book.  If it’s because of censorship, the keeping other books don’t make sense.

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  14. Manny Coolidge
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    Wikipedia has an entry on The Great Books of the Western World.  It’s very extensive, so much so it can’t be copied and pasted here.  Go here.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    When I did a search for “When Harry Became Sally” on Amazon, I got quite a few conservative looking titles along the same line of thinking. I’m not sure why they have delisted that particular book. If it’s because of censorship, the keeping other books don’t make sense.

    Maybe the other books aren’t popular enough to have gotten the attention/complaints?

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  16. Ansonia Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    Shouldn’t Aesop’s Fables and Orwell’s  Animal Farm be on the list ? I’d put them on a shelf together. I’m pretty sure kids somewhere between ages 11 and 14 should read (or re-read) some of Aesop’s Fables and then read Animal Farm.

    What 5 of Shakespeare’s plays ? Shouldn’t it be more like 7 to 10 ?

    What’s LOTR ?

     

     

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  17. Saint Augustine Member
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    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    Shouldn’t Aesop’s Fables and Orwell’s Animal Farm be on the list ? I’d put them on a shelf together. I’m pretty sure kids somewhere between ages 11 and 14 should read (or re-read) some of Aesop’s Fables and then read Animal Farm.

    What 5 of Shakespeare’s plays ? Shouldn’t it be more like 7 to 10 ?

    What’s LOTR ?

    It should be at least 20 of Shakespeare. But it was supposed to be a short list. Me, I’d prefer Hamlet and Macbeth to be preserved. And Merchant of Venice.

    Aesop and Orwell need to be preserved. But in a short list I’d probably prefer those other books. It’s not unreasonable to drop something from my list for Aesop and Orwell.

    But don’t drop Lord of the Rings! It’s the best.

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  18. Manny Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    When I did a search for “When Harry Became Sally” on Amazon, I got quite a few conservative looking titles along the same line of thinking. I’m not sure why they have delisted that particular book. If it’s because of censorship, the keeping other books don’t make sense.

    Maybe the other books aren’t popular enough to have gotten the attention/complaints?

    That crossed my mind too.  But it was several books. I don’t know. Amazon has been pretty good. I don’t have the same perception of them as Facebook and Twitter. 

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  19. Manny Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    Shouldn’t Aesop’s Fables and Orwell’s Animal Farm be on the list ? I’d put them on a shelf together. I’m pretty sure kids somewhere between ages 11 and 14 should read (or re-read) some of Aesop’s Fables and then read Animal Farm.

    What 5 of Shakespeare’s plays ? Shouldn’t it be more like 7 to 10 ?

    What’s LOTR ?

    It should be at least 20 of Shakespeare. But it was supposed to be a short list. Me, I’d prefer Hamlet and Macbeth to be preserved. And Merchant of Venice.

    Aesop and Orwell need to be preserved. But in a short list I’d probably prefer those other books. It’s not unreasonable to drop something from my list for Aesop and Orwell.

    But don’t drop Lord of the Rings! It’s the best.

    King Lear is in my book not just Shakespeare’s best but the greatest play ever written. If I had several months to live, King Lear would be one of the last reads I would do before I go. 

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  20. Stina Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Mim526 (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    The Bible, ESV translation
    The Hebrew Old Testament
    A Hebrew lexicon
    A Hebrew grammar book
    The Greek New Testament
    A Koineh Greek lexicon
    A Koineh Greek grammar book
    The Bible, King James translation
    A volume with at least 5 Shakespeare plays
    Michael Paulsen’s book on the Constitution
    Plato’s Republic
    Augustine’s Confessions
    Virgil’s Aeneid
    A combined Homer: Iliad and Oddysey
    Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration and Second Treatise
    A volume of long selections from Aquinas’ Summa Theologica
    Milton’s Paradise Lost
    Dante’s Divine Comedy
    LOTR
    Something from Martin Luther
    C. S. Lewis: big book of non-fictions
    C. S. Lewis: big book of Narnia books

    Add some Aristotle (Basic Works of Aristotle compilation since we’re limited), poetry (Robert Frost, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, Shakespeare Sonnet 18), music books (Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin) and at least one recording of early Elvis Presley. And something that has E = mc2 .

    Yes, but I was giving a short list.

    It’s reasonable to kick off someone and throw in Aristotle and Beethoven. (Sigh. Maybe Lewis could go if it has to be that short. I don’t want to decide.)

    You need something aimed at children. Lewis satisfies that. You can’t preserve western civ without keeping your children engaged in it.

    A small publisher has revived the Junior Classics for such a reason – a curated collection of poetry, short stories, mythology, bible, and history suitable for educating the young mind.

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    If we’re trying to reformulate Western Civilization, my recommendation will be Herman L. Masin’s little book published in 1958, “Sports Laughs.”  I probably bought it through the “Scholastic Book Club” or some such thing, maybe when I was in 8th grade. I read it many times when I was a kid. I dug it out a few years ago and saw that my old copy was falling apart, had a missing cover and missing pages, etc., so bought a replacement.  Some of the jokes may need interpretation for the younger generation, but despite it being clean, shallow and light-hearted, the anecdotes contain a lot of important illustrations of human nature.

    Here’s one under the heading, “Clipping Penalty.”

    Crowley, a great star, faltered just once. Against Princeton, he got out into the open and then show-boated a bit, enabling the fine Tiger back, Slagle, to nail him from the rear.

    In the locker room later, Sleepy Jim was apologetic. “I made a mistake,” he told Coach Rockne. “I didn’t know Slagle was that fast. I should have cut back.”

    “That wasn’t your mistake,” cracked Rockne.

    “Yes, it was,” repeated Crowley. “I admit it. A mistake.”

    “No,” purred Rockne. “It was just that Slagle didn’t know who you were. If you’d have shown him all those clippings you’ve been saving, he wouldn’t have dared to come near you.”

     

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  22. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Passing Time in the Loo – Volume One (not kidding – it has everything you could imagine, presidential history, baseball scores, famous quotes, reviews of the great Classics, attitudes at work, how to stay healthy, great artists and painters, they crammed a lot in here – wonder what the other volumes have?

    How to Build a Fire and Other Handy Things Your Grandfather Knew by Erin Bried – everything from how to wax a mustache, to breaking in a baseball mitt, to how to ask for help………….

    I think we have some of the Foxfire books lying about here somewhere.

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  23. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Amazon is not the only source for books. When Harry Became Sally is readily available at Barnes and Noble. Since I do not use Amazon, I would not have known about their delisting the book if it weren’t for all the publicity. 

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  24. Mountie Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Rodin: If it was your responsibility to preserve the ability for society to “rediscover” the ideas necessary to reformulate Western Civilization, readily accessible by the folk of the future (not solely scholars) with the smallest library of physical books, what would your list be?

    Amazing! This sentence is very much how one of the most beloved professors at my alma mater described the college’s mission : Our goal is to educate you so that if it ever becomes necessary for you to re-start Western Civilization, you could do it.

    But that was a long time ago, in a culture far, far away…

    Okay, you take care of the knowledge, I’ll work on the re-populating. :-)

    So, vintage Playboy magazines make the list?

    We could get them for the articles. 😀

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  25. Mountie Coolidge
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    Decision in Philadelphia because if we’re going to have to rebuild let’s not go over the same ground twice. This book tells you how the Constitution was written nearly word by word.

    Carnage and Culture  to remind us that western exceptionalism is not western chauvinism. It’s a set of best practices born and wrought from blood and sweat.

    The Complete Works of Shakespeare so that we understand that not  all wisdom  was discovered this morning, it’s been around for a while.

    Math books from kindergarten to differential equations, if we have to rebuild let’s at least get a leg up and take math with us into the dark age.

    Stranger in a Strange Land  to point out how heartless and cruel crowds can be when faced with some thing or someone that is unique and different. Don’t be the crowd.

    Liberal Fascism to remind us that the only real dichotomy is between freedom of expression and suppression.

    Ernest Hemingway Complete Short Stories, The Finca Vigia Edition   because if you read them all  somewhere in there you’ll find your story.  And it will comfort you to know that what you are thinking and  feeling  is not something new.

    The Law  by Bastiat  to remind us that the government that manages the least manages the best.

    The Torah and the  Bible so that we  remember that there is a Judeo Christian value system  that drove most of western thought through the last millennia.

    The Oxford English dictionary so that we can remember that the word “woke”  used to be the opposite of “sleep” and not the opposite   politically incorrectness.

    Meditations by Marcus Aurelius   because it is a good guide to developing a stable emotional IQ.

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    Mountie (View Comment):
    Liberal Fascism to remind us that the only real dichotomy is between freedom of expression and suppression.

    And to remind us when Jonah Goldberg made sense.

    • #56
  27. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    A Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell perfectly  describes the difference between Leftism and conservatism. 

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  28. Caryn Thatcher
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    There’s the St. John’s College reading list/curriculum.

    For a more concise version, there’s the Graduate Institute reading list.  The undergrads used to refer to it as the Readers Digest Condensed Version of their program.  Snotty kids, even there!

    When I graduated, our Commencement speaker (an ambassador whose name escapes me) told us that we were the keepers of the flame of Western Civilization and that someday society would come looking for us to help them rebuild.  Or maybe, the thugs will hunt us down is what he really meant…

    Looks like the GI list and program have changed a bit since I was there, but it’s pretty close.

     

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  29. Rodin Member
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    There’s the St. John’s College reading list/curriculum.

    For a more concise version, there’s the Graduate Institute reading list. The undergrads used to refer to it as the Readers Digest Condensed Version of their program. Snotty kids, even there!

    When I graduated, our Commencement speaker (an ambassador whose name escapes me) told us that we were the keepers of the flame of Western Civilization and that someday society would come looking for us to help them rebuild. Or maybe, the thugs will hunt us down is what he really meant…

    Looks like the GI list and program have changed a bit since I was there, but it’s pretty close.

     

    Thanks for the links, @caryn. Even autodidacts benefit from reference suggestions.  I wonder how St John’s is handling woke culture?

     

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  30. Stina Member
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    Not enough Augustine and Aquinas or other theological philosophers that helped shape the foundational truths of western civilization.

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