Who Will be Polk to Trump’s Jackson?

 

About ten years ago I read an interesting biography on James Polk by Walter Borneman. In short, he was Andrew Jackson’s protege and cemented in place the changes that Jackson started. Many of these held, even after the Civil War. Polk and Jackson were opposites with regard to temperament. However, Jackson was a mentor to Polk, both ideologically and practically. Even so, Polk made his own mark, was his own man, and was not a mini-me to Jackson. In many ways, Polk was more ruthless than Jackson. The strength of Polk’s presidency was that many of the changes he established became the bipartisan establishment for decades. Possibly until the rise of the Progressives in the late 19th century.

In my opinion, Trump’s show-biz instincts will come to bear now. He will see that he’s going to be more powerful and more appreciated if he becomes an “elder statesman” for the MAGA set of policies. This will be the political equivalent of licensing his name on other hotels. If I’m right, I suspect that the same Polk-Jackson dynamic will develop. I do not know who it will be, although I have some thoughts. Who do you think and why?

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  1. Raxxalan Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment): I prefer governors…

    I am reminded of an interesting course of events…(from memory) I am old enough to recall a certain Gov. GWB sending a sternly written letter to the EPA about the bounds of their authority and how he wasn’t going to stand for their overreach. Then, about a year later, a certain Pres. GWB directing/allowing that same EPA to push those same boundaries from the other direction. Such is the world of compassionate conservatism. Same goes for maverick conservatism, severe conservatism, “country first” conservatism, NT conservatism, and any other marketed brand of fake conservatism you care to plop on the table with all these other turds.

    Just like justice.  Once you put a modifier on it, you are no longer talking about the same thing.

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  2. philo Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

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    I also don’t think it is Hawley or Cruz.

    Why not? One criterion is that a candidate has to have been tested under fire by the hate media, and I think those two have stood up pretty well (if one puts aside Cruz’s recent “apology.”)

    I think I mentioned before that I would prefer Governors to Senators. I was a strong Cruz support in 2016 and am still happy to call him my Senator; however, I don’t think he has the broad appeal that Trump has, while he definitely alienates many of the same people Trump does. I would be happy to vote for Cruz in a general if he wins the nomination but In an honest analysis I don’t think he can win in the general. Honestly I don’t know enough about Hawley to have a firm opinion other than a general preference against Senators. Could they change my mind? Sure, but winning is the key and to do that you have to be able to put together a bigger coalition than Trump did. I don’t think either of these guys can do that based on what I am seeing right now.

    I prefer governors to senators, too, because I want to see how people respond to the stress of the hate media when they are taking administrative actions. We don’t get to see that with Senators. But I also want to undermine the GOPe’s ongoing whispering campaign that says Cruz can’t win the general election. They need to think that we think he is the one.

    Well we agree no one from the GOPe can win a general. The best they can do is lose gracefully. The GOPe is a non-governing coalition that is extremely happy with minority status and content to have the crumbs left over from the leftist’s table. That having been said. I Think Cruz has some challenges even getting to a general election. I’ll support him before a Haley, Rubio, or Sasse for sure. I will also vote for him in a general happily; however, he has to show me something in the primary to get me to take another look. There is no way forward with the GOPe, NT, or NTA of this I am certain. I don’t think a straight up Ever-Trump politician can win the general at this time. In four years that could change. I think what we need is a MAGA candidate that is somewhat independent of Trump, i.e. someone who has been pro-Trump but has an independent record as well. Governors fit this bill quite well.

    Until I’m given a reason to look elsewhere: P O M P E O

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    Raxxalan (View Comment):

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    Raxxalan (View Comment):
    I also don’t think it is Hawley or Cruz.

    Why not? One criterion is that a candidate has to have been tested under fire by the hate media, and I think those two have stood up pretty well (if one puts aside Cruz’s recent “apology.”)

    I think I mentioned before that I would prefer Governors to Senators. I was a strong Cruz support in 2016 and am still happy to call him my Senator; however, I don’t think he has the broad appeal that Trump has, while he definitely alienates many of the same people Trump does. I would be happy to vote for Cruz in a general if he wins the nomination but In an honest analysis I don’t think he can win in the general. Honestly I don’t know enough about Hawley to have a firm opinion other than a general preference against Senators. Could they change my mind? Sure, but winning is the key and to do that you have to be able to put together a bigger coalition than Trump did. I don’t think either of these guys can do that based on what I am seeing right now.

    I prefer governors to senators, too, because I want to see how people respond to the stress of the hate media when they are taking administrative actions. We don’t get to see that with Senators. But I also want to undermine the GOPe’s ongoing whispering campaign that says Cruz can’t win the general election. They need to think that we think he is the one.

    Well we agree no one from the GOPe can win a general. The best they can do is lose gracefully. The GOPe is a non-governing coalition that is extremely happy with minority status and content to have the crumbs left over from the leftist’s table. That having been said. I Think Cruz has some challenges even getting to a general election. I’ll support him before a Haley, Rubio, or Sasse for sure. I will also vote for him in a general happily; however, he has to show me something in the primary to get me to take another look. There is no way forward with the GOPe, NT, or NTA of this I am certain. I don’t think a straight up Ever-Trump politician can win the general at this time. In four years that could change. I think what we need is a MAGA candidate that is somewhat independent of Trump, i.e. someone who has been pro-Trump but has an independent record as well. Governors fit this bill quite well.

    At this point I don’t want to be in the position of the little boy whose mother told him to go ahead and buy the bicycle from the rummage sale a few streets away. She gave him $15, but told him to start with an offer of $5, and he could go up if they won’t take it but not to go any higher than $15.  So he goes to the rummage sale and tells the seller, “I’ll give you $5 for the bicycle, but my mother says if you won’t sell it for that I can go as high as $15.”  

    I’m not going to start the election process by saying I can go $15 because that’s the most likely price at which they’ll sell.  My offer at this point is Ted Cruz or nothing. If they don’t want to deal at that price I’m going home, but if they run after me and tell me they want to make a counteroffer, let them do it. And I’m not going to tell anyone how far my mother said I can go.  

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    philo (View Comment):

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    Why not? One criterion is that a candidate has to have been tested under fire by the hate media, and I think those two have stood up pretty well (if one puts aside Cruz’s recent “apology.”)

    I think I mentioned before that I would prefer Governors to Senators. I was a strong Cruz support in 2016 and am still happy to call him my Senator; however, I don’t think he has the broad appeal that Trump has, while he definitely alienates many of the same people Trump does. I would be happy to vote for Cruz in a general if he wins the nomination but In an honest analysis I don’t think he can win in the general. Honestly I don’t know enough about Hawley to have a firm opinion other than a general preference against Senators. Could they change my mind? Sure, but winning is the key and to do that you have to be able to put together a bigger coalition than Trump did. I don’t think either of these guys can do that based on what I am seeing right now.

    I prefer governors to senators, too, because I want to see how people respond to the stress of the hate media when they are taking administrative actions. We don’t get to see that with Senators. But I also want to undermine the GOPe’s ongoing whispering campaign that says Cruz can’t win the general election. They need to think that we think he is the one.

    Well we agree no one from the GOPe can win a general. The best they can do is lose gracefully. The GOPe is a non-governing coalition that is extremely happy with minority status and content to have the crumbs left over from the leftist’s table. That having been said. I Think Cruz has some challenges even getting to a general election. I’ll support him before a Haley, Rubio, or Sasse for sure. I will also vote for him in a general happily; however, he has to show me something in the primary to get me to take another look. There is no way forward with the GOPe, NT, or NTA of this I am certain. I don’t think a straight up Ever-Trump politician can win the general at this time. In four years that could change. I think what we need is a MAGA candidate that is somewhat independent of Trump, i.e. someone who has been pro-Trump but has an independent record as well. Governors fit this bill quite well.

    Until I’m given a reason to look elsewhere: P O M P E O

    Pompeo is a tough nut, and he supported Trump.  But I just can’t get past his being CIA.  EVERY other CIA member of Trump’s administration was loyal first and only to the CIA.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m not going to start the election process by saying I can go $15 because that’s the most likely price at which they’ll sell. My offer at this point is Ted Cruz or nothing. If they don’t want to deal at that price I’m going home, but if they run after me and tell me they want to make a counteroffer, let them do it. And I’m not going to tell anyone how far my mother said I can go.

    Actually, my offer at this point isn’t Ted Cruz or nothing. It’s Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Take your pick. I will listen to counteroffers, but I’m not going to hang around waiting for one. In the past I’ve walked away when they countered with George W Bush or John McCain. 

    The point is, I’m not going to start with Ron DeSantis and then compromise from there. 

    Or as General Patton once said, “Your job is not to compromise for your country. Your job is to make the other poor, dumb [bad word] compromise for his country.”

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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Pompeo is a tough nut, and he supported Trump. But I just can’t get past his being CIA. EVERY other CIA member of Trump’s administration was loyal first and only to the CIA.

    That’s the problem with the deep state in a nutshell.  

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  7. Raxxalan Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m not going to start the election process by saying I can go $15 because that’s the most likely price at which they’ll sell. My offer at this point is Ted Cruz or nothing. If they don’t want to deal at that price I’m going home, but if they run after me and tell me they want to make a counteroffer, let them do it. And I’m not going to tell anyone how far my mother said I can go.

    Actually, my offer at this point isn’t Ted Cruz or nothing. It’s Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. Take your pick. I will listen to counteroffers, but I’m not going to hang around waiting for one. In the past I’ve walked away when they countered with George W Bush or John McCain.

    The point is, I’m not going to start with Ron DeSantis and then compromise from there.

    Or as General Patton once said, “Your job is not to compromise for your country. Your job is to make the other poor, dumb [bad word] compromise for his country.”

    I am keeping my mind open at this point I don’t consider DeSantis a compromise choice.   I have 4 years to look at the field and see where things are going.  Cruz or Trump could raise their stock in my estimation, but right now I am not a buy on either.   I like aspects of both but I want to win and right now I am not convinced either of them can.  Trump was a solid one term GOP president who shot himself in the foot in late November/ December after the election.   That could fade and he could look like a prophet in 2024 which would make him the odds on favorite to win.   Ted Cruz is a complicated politician who comes off a little to plastic for most people, which is why he couldn’t break thru in 2016.  He could definitely step up his game and dispel some of my doubts; however, he has to show me he can do that.   The GOPe has proven itself time after time to be unreliable and while in the past I have held my nose and voted for the drek that they have shoveled my way, they refused to return the favor so they are basically dead to me.  I suspect there is going to be a crowded GOP field and we’ll see who raises and who falls.  I am a free agent right now though.  Everyone has to earn my support in the future.  Even people I have supported in the past.

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