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Democrats Outraged as Republicans Do the Exact Same Thing They Do
Josh Hawley becomes the first Senator to say he will object to the Electoral College Certification Process.
He specifically notes that he is doing no different than Dems in 2004 and 2016. How dare Republicans act just like Democrats!
Somebody named Josh just moved to the top of the 2024 leaderboard. If like Trump policies without the Orange Man Bad, Hawley is for you! He will be a test for all the NeverTrumpers out there–are they really just Dems?
They are really just Dems.
He’s the second senator to do so but the first sitting one. Others will follow, the ones who are still loyal to their country but who need the courage of others to spur theirs.
Let’s hope it actually amounts to something.
Scan around some of the podcasts and punditry from 2019 and you can already see some of the #NeverTrump people getting ready to be #NeverJoshers in the 2024 or ’28 election cycles. They see him as an opportunist who knows better but is simply pandering to Trump voters by taking up his populist messaging.
The difference between Hawley and, say, Nikki Haley, who came out with her Socialist warning about Democrats’ plans earlier this week is the Trump crowd either likes or has no set opinion yet on Hawley, while the distrust Haley as a Bush-in-sheep’s-clothing in terms of globalist foreign policy (while the #NeverTrump types also hate Haley, because she didn’t denounce Trump after leaving her U.N. post).
So Hawley is set up better in 2024 to woo Trump voters, but at the same time he’s also hamstrung by Trump himself, who just for the ability to affect the narrative will likely hold out the possibility of a run in ’24. That puts Hawley in the position where if he wants to be Trump’s heir apparent he’s going to have to wait to announce any run for president until Trump decides his plans — if he jumps into the race when it’s still unknown if Trump’s going to run again, he risks the wrath of the same people he’s courting right now.
I means probably at best a few days delay because they will have to hold hearings for each state. 7 contested states. Lets say 5 days?
Maybe a couple weeks if they stretch it out. But its hearings. But more than the Supreme Court has ever done.
It helps out to establish the narrative and helps out with 2022 and 2024 elections.
They are self-righteous prigs. They may or may not be Demo-rats.
So, will the Congress create that committee to examine election fraud?
Even if they do, what will happen? A few hearings (which the criminals will skip), at which Republicans will preen and complain and nothing will happen but some fund-raising off it.
At this point, I see no reason ever to cast a vote again. My votes are routinely nullified, so my voice has been silenced. The ruling class will get the candidates it wants no matter what the actual totals are.
Why bother to vote? I may never waste my time again.
If Republicans want to remain in power, they’d better show that they’re doing something about this. Because they won’t last much longer as a political party if they don’t.
No, when there’s an objection (made by a Representative and a Senator) and the Houses separate to discuss said objections, 3 U.S. Code § 17 states:
So two hours of debate, let’s say a half-hour for the vote, time to restart the Joint Session, let’s call it a delay of about 3-4 hours. No hearings, just a debate of sorts, then a vote.
Oops. Some Walmart flunky is reacting badly. Somebody is over-the-target. Bentonville and Missouri share the same Ozarks.
If this isn’t corrected now we will never have a fair election again.
As the software geeks say, “That’s a feature, not a bug.”
Then let’s replace the OS.
Walmart’s since deleted the tweet, and kind of sort of apologized, but never gets into why someone with power to post on their social media site was allowed to put up such a political post, or whether or not there will be any punishment for the action. (that doesn’t even go into the question of why anyone in Walmart’s media department wouldn’t get that a large part of the company’s sales metrics are in the Red parts of the country, unless this being Christmas-New Year’s week everyone with the sense to know not to insult a large part of your customer base are gone and left the interns with the Twitter passcode).
Either way, it really is things like this that someone like Hawley is hoping for, since anyone trying to take over Trump’s voting block is going to have show the same willingness to challenge what it sees as the political ties to mega-businesses like Walmart and the D.C. crony capitalism Trump supporters hate (which Hawley targeted in his reply):
Nah. You have had elections stolen before. And still managed to have fair elections afterwards. You just need to use this to drive for proper election reform. One thing I learned was that in some of the states even the Democrats were outraged. (The First MI Senate hearing).
Not fraud at this scale. It is like comparing Stalin to some parent that sends their kid to bed without supper.
**Student raises his hand**
“Um, excuse me sir. That sounds illogical?”
Honorable Democrats! Have I just entered a time-warp that took me to the 1960s?
Apparently Tuberville is also joining Hawley in objecting.
Cocaine Mitch has “asked” Tuberville not to object. That was a couple days ago. He’ll lean on Hawley next.
No. Every lawyer and scholar I have watched on this subject, says its two hours per state. They could claim all 50 states, and drag it out over a 100 hours if they wanted to.
Are you saying that the election of 1980 was rigged for Reagan, after Kennedy stole the 1960 election?
Oops. Meant to state that it was two hours per state. Shouldn’t be replying on Ricochet while finishing “Annual Required Training” on “diversity and inclusion.”
I am sure he did lean on him.
But you know what the difference between them and Mitch McConnell is? They want to be President of the USA one day. What possible pressure could Mitch bring against that? Oh none. Mitch is 78 years old. Hes not going to be around 20 more years running things. They are.
Especially after announcing it on Twitter.
You got to remember guys. I am an actual politician. The power of your ability to give me patronage, is not equal to anyones actual ambition.
The circumstances and the technology were far different, it’s a false comparison. Going forward how will you ever know if your assumption is correct? If there is no penalty for crimes on this scale, with smoking guns laying around in numbers so great it’s hard not to trip on them, how could you possibly assume they will move to patch the bugs they intentionally created, and continue to deny even exist?
I remember someone saying that the guy at the top — of whatever organization — is not obsessed with staying there as much as he is obsessed with handing power to the right successor. The only pressure Mitch could bring is convincing his allies that Hawley and Tuberville are not the right successors to GOPe power. That might make them reconsider.
That’s an illusion, my friend.
If at least one Senator and at least one Representative file a written objection, then on January 6th the Senate and House will reconvene in their own chambers and have a two hour debate to determine which slate of electors they will accept.
The Electors had to be certified by December 8th. They were so certified in all 50 states and DC. The Electors then voted on December 14th. They voted 306-232 for Biden as the news shows predicted they would on Saturday, November 7th. Trump organized some Republican slates of electors for several battleground states.
If someone objects to Electors, the Certified Electors (who voted for Biden 306-232) are presumed to be the correct electors, unless both the House and Senate prefer the other electors. The Dems have a majority in the House, so that settles that. In 2005, after Bush was reelected in 2004, the House voted to confirm the Bush electors in Ohio 267-31. The Senate voted to confirm the Bush electors 74-1. Only Democrat Senator Barbara Boxer voted to reject the Bush electors in 2005.
In 1956, a group of 19 Democratic Senators and 74 Representatives from the South filed the “Southern Manifesto” which decried Brown v. Board of Education. In time, they grew to have more and more notoriety. I predict a similar result for Representatives and Senators who object to counting the votes of the electors who were elected on November 3rd, certified by December 8th and who voted on December 14th. See https://thedispatch.com/p/house-gop-texas-pennsylvania.