Fauci Moves the Goalposts

 

This is brutal, and it sums up what I think of the public health profession. Were they ready for any aspect of this pandemic?

BTW, Howard Wall has a great Twitter account.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I get that the authorities have to do something to make sure that we don’t run out of medical resources

    That sounds at first like an innocuous principle for granting powers to government if one considers only the present economic data, system of production, and limitations on government power and responsibility: what goods are consumed in what quantity by whom?

    It is a particular expression of a general ideology that is usually referred to by the arbitrary term “welfarism”.

    Over the decades I’ve given a lot of thought and self-education to the practical consequences of this idea, and concluded that it’s inherently and tragically flawed. Liberty and welfarism can’t long co-exist.

    I’ve never succeeded in convincing anyone of that, and at this stage I have with great sadness accepted that I never will.

    I only mention that this is my considered opinion.

    Why bother?

    Because other teachers were able to teach it to me, and I am relatively slow-witted. So my expressing my skepticism, even though I am completely incompetent as a teacher, could silently lead one person to begin to think critically about these long-term practical problems, and one day a competent teacher, a future Thomas Sowell or a Walter Williams, might bring forth an Aha! moment.

    In my view of the world (I don’t claim to be certain that my view is right) that would mean that the cause of liberty will have been kept alive in one heart and mind for another generation. That is all the justification any Christian needs, right!?

    I would argue that public health fits the actual definition of a “public good”. I fully get that this gets expanded ridiculously. 

    If you are saying you are OK with not coughing up the resources fast enough to fight it that’s fine.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    I just remembered something. John Ziegler had a really good interview about COVID-19 policy on Whiskey Politics. I want to say it was about two months ago.

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  3. Boss Mongo Member
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    My contempt for Fauci and his ilk knows no bounds.

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  4. Buckpasser Member
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    Many million of people have not received a paycheck in months because the state (in the form of fauci and birx) said “you will have to go bankrupt and go on welfare”.  I wonder in herr fauci and birx are still receiving a paycheck?  Are we sure that they are “essential”?

     

     

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  5. Boss Mongo Member
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    I wonder in herr fauci and birx are still receiving a paycheck? Are we sure that they are “essential”?

     

    In order:  Yes.  No.

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  6. EODmom Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I get that the authorities have to do something to make sure that we don’t run out of medical resources

    That sounds at first like an innocuous principle for granting powers to government if one considers only the present economic data, system of production, and limitations on government power and responsibility: what goods are consumed in what quantity by whom?

    It is a particular expression of a general ideology that is usually referred to by the arbitrary term “welfarism”.

    Over the decades I’ve given a lot of thought and self-education to the practical consequences of this idea, and concluded that it’s inherently and tragically flawed. Liberty and welfarism can’t long co-exist.

    I’ve never succeeded in convincing anyone of that, and at this stage I have with great sadness accepted that I never will.

    I only mention that this is my considered opinion.

    Why bother?

    Because other teachers were able to teach it to me, and I am relatively slow-witted. So my expressing my skepticism, even though I am completely incompetent as a teacher, could silently lead one person to begin to think critically about these long-term practical problems, and one day a competent teacher, a future Thomas Sowell or a Walter Williams, might bring forth an Aha! moment.

    In my view of the world (I don’t claim to be certain that my view is right) that would mean that the cause of liberty will have been kept alive in one heart and mind for another generation. That is all the justification any Christian needs, right!?

    I think your point must be taught and learned by every generation. Consider how long humanity has been struggling to make universal the principle of Liberty. Despotism and slavery and warfare were the norm long before the rule of common law became broadly desired. Liberty is inherently at odds with the desire for power. Good must always be chosen affirmatively over evil and there is no guarantee that it will be. So teaching it is imperative. Please don’t stop. You do not know who has heard the message when you weren’t looking. 

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    EODmom (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    I get that the authorities have to do something to make sure that we don’t run out of medical resources

    That sounds at first like an innocuous principle for granting powers to government if one considers only the present economic data, system of production, and limitations on government power and responsibility: what goods are consumed in what quantity by whom?

    It is a particular expression of a general ideology that is usually referred to by the arbitrary term “welfarism”.

    Over the decades I’ve given a lot of thought and self-education to the practical consequences of this idea, and concluded that it’s inherently and tragically flawed. Liberty and welfarism can’t long co-exist.

    I’ve never succeeded in convincing anyone of that, and at this stage I have with great sadness accepted that I never will.

    I only mention that this is my considered opinion.

    Why bother?

    Because other teachers were able to teach it to me, and I am relatively slow-witted. So my expressing my skepticism, even though I am completely incompetent as a teacher, could silently lead one person to begin to think critically about these long-term practical problems, and one day a competent teacher, a future Thomas Sowell or a Walter Williams, might bring forth an Aha! moment.

    In my view of the world (I don’t claim to be certain that my view is right) that would mean that the cause of liberty will have been kept alive in one heart and mind for another generation. That is all the justification any Christian needs, right!?

    I think your point must be taught and learned by every generation. Consider how long humanity has been struggling to make universal the principle of Liberty. Despotism and slavery and warfare were the norm long before the rule of common law became broadly desired. Liberty is inherently at odds with the desire for power. Good must always be chosen affirmatively over evil and there is no guarantee that it will be. So teaching it is imperative. Please don’t stop. You do not know who has heard the message when you weren’t looking.

    This is the problem. Woodrow Wilson messed with the structure of this country far too much and it created a feedback loop that is very hard to stop. The Fed messing around with the economy. The income tax code. Progressive taxation. Government creating “non-public” goods. In theory, Medicare and Social Security are a good idea, but in reality that’s not the way it works. etc. 

    Now you are just stupid if you don’t use government to steal from the other citizens.

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    You are acting like no localities bumped up against resources. They did. Each area has to manage this somehow without overdoing it, that’s all I’m saying. It’s not a black-and-white issue. 

    One of the resources we’re going to run low on very, very soon is medical personnel. These people are exhausted. And many are taking “early” retirement to relieve their stress levels. Can’t say I blame them. 

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  9. Mark Camp Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the problem. Woodrow Wilson messed with the structure of this country far too much and it created a feedback loop that is very hard to stop. The Fed messing around with the economy. The income tax code. Progressive taxation. Government creating “non-public” goods. In theory, Medicare and Social Security are a good idea, but in reality that’s not the way it works. etc. 

    Now you are just stupid if you don’t use government to steal from the other citizens.

    Yep.  We agree on that.

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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  11. philo Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment): Woodrow Wilson messed with the structure of this country far too much…

    Don’t get me wrong, I despise Wilson more than most but it seems he had a country that was more than willing to go along with his approach. Hell, the Seventeenth Amendment was ratified less than a month after he took office. The demise was already underway…

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    All these comments and the arguments back and forth bring to mind a thought: When the liars say the wolves are coming, the wolves are not coming.  When the liars keep mum about marauders coming, they’re probably coming.

    Sad to say that I literally believe the opposite of what the Dems and MSM, which is easily 95% of all the news out there, have to say.

    And Fauci is not only a liar, he’s a calculating liar.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    This is the problem. Woodrow Wilson messed with the structure of this country far too much and it created a feedback loop that is very hard to stop. The Fed messing around with the economy. The income tax code. Progressive taxation. Government creating “non-public” goods. In theory, Medicare and Social Security are a good idea, but in reality that’s not the way it works. etc.

    Now you are just stupid if you don’t use government to steal from the other citizens.

    Yep. We agree on that.

    I’ve listened to two out of three in this series. I think this video gets at the heart of the problem. 

     

    Also, look up that Lerned Hand quote about Liberty. There may be different versions of this, but intelligent people really need to get rid of any idealism they have these days. Do it fast.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Learned_Hand  

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  14. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Last week I went looking for something I had read along the way regarding “living a lie” / “living in the truth.” This led me back to The Power of the Powerless. I am now re-reading it in full (I am not a fast reader…especially with the important stuff and when I am highlighting along the way.) Still have ten pages to go but the themes of manipulation are strong throughout. Well worth the time…

    A very important read, particularly in 2020.

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  15. Ekosj Member
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    RufusRJones:

    This is brutal, and it sums up what I think of the public health profession. Were they ready for any aspect of this pandemic?

    BTW, Howard Wall has a great Twitter account.

    At first I thought this must be a misquote or taken out of context.    But no.    He freely admits that he just flat out lies to the American people to manipulate us into doing what he thinks we ought to do.    That is reprehensible.   You can’t believe a word he says.    Why does he still have a shred of credibility with anyone?

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  16. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    At first I thought this must be a misquote or taken out of context. But no. He freely admits that he just flat out lies to the American people to manipulate us into doing what he thinks we ought to do. That is reprehensible. You can’t believe a word he says. Why does he still have a shred of credibility with anyone?

    Because the press worships him.

    You know, if we killed every journalist, we could have our country back.

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    At first I thought this must be a misquote or taken out of context. But no. He freely admits that he just flat out lies to the American people to manipulate us into doing what he thinks we ought to do. That is reprehensible. You can’t believe a word he says. Why does he still have a shred of credibility with anyone?

    Because the press worships him.

    You know, if we killed every journalist, we could have our country back.

    The other thing is, The Constitution can’t function as intended when four companies control the public square. 

    Conservatives and libertarians really need to stop being stupid about these things.

    All Journalists Are Statists™

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    This guy is really smart. I think I’ve formatted it so you can see the whole thread.

     

     

     

     

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  20. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    This is not helpful. Fauci may be very good at what he does, but that’s not public communication. He has done this repeatedly in recent months. Telling people that you’ve been intentionally misleading them undermines the faith they have in anything you are saying.

    Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

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  21. RufusRJones Member
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  22. Tex929rr Coolidge
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    From the beginning we were getting daily briefings from our county emergency manager, which were passed on from area and state emergency and medical management. They included detailed information on infections in the area, and frankly the data were not particularly alarming.  Instead of admitting to the inherent uncertainty, the summaries were invariably apocryphal despite the data not backing it up.  I believe that medical and emergency management professionals believed that they had a duty to convince the public that things were bad to prevent a potentially devastating outbreak.  But that’s not their job – that’s the job of political leaders.  The political leaders became so scared of failure that they pushed the huge overreaction that we experienced in the spring.  And the public bears much of the blame in that many have unrealistic expectations for just how much .gov can do.  

    Our schools have been open since Labor Day; we have had a handful of teachers test positive with attendant short term quarantines for individual classes of students.  One student infection out of 1100 K-12 students. County EMS has likewise had a handful of infections (despite numerous COVID transports) with short term quarantines and everyone now back on the job. The reality just hasn’t met the dire expectations. 

    Imagine if leaders had expressed the true uncertainty and asked for the public to support restrictions instead of taking out the hammer.  Where might we be now? 

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    The political leaders became so scared of failure that they pushed the huge overreaction that we experienced in the spring.

    If anybody is interested there is a good video about this that is behind a pay wall. You have to spend a dollar and give them your information or something like that.

    Tex929rr (View Comment):
    Imagine if leaders had expressed the true uncertainty and asked for the public to support restrictions instead of taking out the hammer. Where might we be now? 

    I wish they would just be explicit about what the risky behavior is: 15 minutes, indoors, around a spreader. Everything else is very secondary. You get it at home, basically. They knew this in April. They also knew what the favorable environmental factors were: outdoor behavior, high UV, and most likely high humidity. 

    Instead, we get overkill.

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  24. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    RufusRJones: Were they ready for any aspect of this pandemic?

    Very ready to seize power, very ready to help China’s plans along.

    Very ready to apply psychological manipulation techniques as learned from Communist efforts to brainwash and manipulate US POWs in Korea.

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  25. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Fauci is a gloryhound. You’d think when you reach 80, you can put away the childish need for money, fame, and power, but apparently in Washington that hunger becomes harder and harder to satiate as the years add up.

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  26. JustmeinAZ Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Instead, we get overkill.

    I think a huge percentage of this is the media intoning death counts every day and reporting the case count every night. They terrified the public.

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  27. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    We can prove how deadly the disease is by counting deaths – which are pretty low, except among the elderly and infirm.

    In my state of Virginia, 75% of deaths are over age 70, 90% over 60.

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  28. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    Many million of people have not received a paycheck in months because the state (in the form of fauci and birx) said “you will have to go bankrupt and go on welfare”. I wonder in herr fauci and birx are still receiving a paycheck? Are we sure that they are “essential”?

    There’s no doubt they’re getting their salaries. Birx has 3 or 4 homes, according to what came out the other day when she “retired.”

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  29. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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  30. Biden Pure Demagogue Inactive
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    I highly recommend Chapter 6: Is vaccination the universal remedy?

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