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A new fault line
Simple question: will the question of a “stolen election” by nefarious means – D malfeasance on the local level, top-down fraud efforts, Dominion manipulation, all of the above – divide the conservative side in the year to come? I get the feeling sometimes that if you’re not on board with the idea that Donald Trump actually won, full stop, you’re a cuck-shill Tapper-fluffer (cruise ship icon) RINO eager to buff your cocktail-party credentials.
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Only anecdotal. The general impression I got was “people who didn’t immerse themselves in politics or policy, and had traded a visceral revulsion to Trump to a visceral dislike.” One of them voted straight R but left the POTUS vote blank; three others voted R downtick but voted for Biden. Had nothing to do with Trump policy. Just didn’t like the dude.
On the plus side, I think very few of them addressed you directly. :-)
Perhaps more relevant to the election question is, were any of those people who voted for Biden, or didn’t vote for POTUS, people who HAD voted for Trump in 2016?
My first guess is, few or none.
When I drive I mostly listen to written material from audible.com. There are exceptions, such as the well-prepared lectures in the Great Courses series, which are almost as good as books. But I spend most of my driving time listening to nothing at all, not even music. Thinking and watching keep me plenty occupied. I’ve come up with some of my best ideas that way, and have also talked myself out of most of them that way.
I do at times work on Pimsleur language courses.
The same when bicycling in places close to home. The further I am from home and familiar routes, the less likely I’ll be listening to anything. But thinking is always available as an alternative to listening.
For a while I followed a podcast for Russian learners, but the woman who did it quit it in favor of her YouTube work. This young woman tended to offer an increasing amount of political commentary, and I suspect that may have helped her quit. I had wondered how her topics didn’t put her parents and perhaps her husband in a difficult situation with the government. She was not at all a Putin fan, so it would be as if she was a Trump supporter in the U.S. and a potential target of Reich’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I recently learned that she is now teaching in the United States. (This is the same young woman I talked about recently in another thread. She told how she had wanted to name her newborn son Raskolnikov until her entire family wisely talked her out of it. If the kid has learned about it, it doesn’t seem to have scarred him.)
I heard it on a podcast.
So, this isn’t necessarily something you can take to the bank any more than anything we read on the internet.
I think this is a good summary of the 2020 election results in one paragraph.
Then they need medication, not affirmation.
And nothing the other way, sparky? Not a thing about the places where Trump did win, *and* there were down ticket gains too? Last I checked there’s a few more states out there. And none of those down ticket votes were based on coattails? That wouldn’t be claimed as partial victory if it had been Rubio that lost?
Dumping the Trump means dumping 70 million plus people. If that helps you in any way.
Except where they picked up gains. In the House. And in the states. And you cited some of those gains in a post above.
So which is it?
But Yoo is an Eagles fan!
Better keep the bottle close at hand.
If you read the article there are facts in it that can be double checked by those with the computer language skills. Regarding the podcast, perhaps you are confusing this particular incident with a couple others which are vaguely rebutted.
There have been quite a few references to “This amount was given to Biden as a human typo computer-entry error and then later deducted”, both small increases and large. But then the deduction is not later shown to have been deducted. I figure that the lawyers will have it crunched out.
Well, one member alone accounts for about 200 of those . . .
(Another reason why the ignore feature would be helpful. It would reduce the amount of reading in some threads.)
Why can’t both statements be true?
Exactly. If someone makes a claim, look into it.
I apologize for the confusion. The link that I included in the a post 2 days ago linked to the wrong article. Here is the link:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/examining_the_code_internet_geeks_conclude_trumps_win_was_yuuuge.html
And here is the body of my comment:
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Well, this video also intrigued “Pede,” and he (or she) went to work. Pennsylvania uses Dominion voting systems, which forward their data to Edison Research, which then Javascript-encodes it and sends it on to the New York Times and the networks. So “Pede” downloaded the Edison data for Pennsylvania from the New York Times at this address and analyzed it to locate all similar vote switches, as well as for votes that just went missing. (Although I’ve given you the link, I wouldn’t bother opening it, because it’s just a big pile of Javascript code that’s incomprehensible to the naked eye unless you know your Javascript.) In the Javascript code, “Pede” located the specific code that changed the voting percentages for Trump and Biden:
[AND in summation:]
Here’s what I think happened:
The crooked Democrats actually believed their own propaganda — that Biden would win easily or that, at worst, it would be a tight race. So they created enough fraudulent paper ballots to be inserted into the counting to overcome any worst-case situation for them, which would be a “squeaker” Trump win. But Trump still led in the upper Midwest, even with the paper-ballot fraud, so they had to switch or destroy enough votes electronically to give Biden a “squeaker” win.
But as the votes were being counted on Election Night, it was quickly clear that Trump had a blowout win in Pennsylvania, far more than could be fraudulently papered over, so electronic fraud there went into overdrive, allowing it to be easily detected. (Although “lost votes” apply to the total vote count, forgive me if I suspect that most of them are Trump votes being thrown away.)
As of midnight on Nov. 11, the candidates’ vote totals, corrected for “Pede”-detected vote switches, are as follows:
Pennsylvania: Trump 3,550,163; Biden 3,159,698. Trump wins (55.5% to 44.5%).
Michigan: Trump 2,668,046; Biden 2,774,61.
Georgia: Trump 2,475,263; Biden 2,454,538. Trump wins (50.5% to 49.5%).
I’m one of those people who would accept that Biden is the legitimately elected President if Trump’s legal challenges fail. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t fraud in the election, or even sufficient fraud to change the outcome. It doesn’t even mean that I don’t have sufficient reason to believe there was significant fraud in this election. I’m convinced of that by statistical analysis.
It just means that Trump’s lawyers weren’t able to prove in court enough fraudulent votes to change the outcome. That’s how the process works, and if the process results in Biden being President, I’ll accept his election as legal and he would be the legally elected President despite the fraud.
This is unlike Democrats and their NT enablers with their #resist, #notmypresident and #nevertrump hashtags. I didn’t like Trump in 2016, but I thought it was disgusting and corrosive to our institutions the way Dems and NTers did everything they could to undermine the legitimacy of Trump’s Presidency. Over the years I’ve become stronger in my Trump support as the sanctimony and hypocrisy of NTers keeps rising. Now the same people who fostered the Russian Collusion hoax for years are now clutching their pearls because Trump is challenging vote fraud. Please.
We live in age of surveillance cameras. Why have only two observers for numerous ballot handlers at a long table when hundreds of additional online observers can also be used?
There is absolutely no reason that cameras cannot be set up to monitor and completely record ballot canvassing by each canvas worker and even broadcast that video online to certified GOP, Democrat, and non-affiliated observers within a given state; as well as letting the American people also watch in real time.
If a certified GOP or Democrat online observer for that particular state spots some questionable behavior or blatant voter fraud then through an online alert indicating the identification number of the camera with the time signature of the questionable activity, the ballot handling for that station can be halted until onsite inspectors can review the video and investigate and examine the ballots at that canvassing station.
If ballot canvas workers know they are being recorded on camera, then they may naturally be inclined to adhere to legal handling and counting procedures more faithfully.
All that said, my guess is there wouldn’t be a single Democrat official who would agree to this method.
It is entirely possible that this happened on a large scale. Four years from now if one of the more strident Never Trump Republicans ran for president, I know right now I will not be voting for him or her. I won’t vote for the Democrat either.
I never thought I’d say that. I was upset when I learned that a lot of Republicans so disliked Mitt Romney that they did not vote for him (and I know the extent of that type of voting is not known and is often disputed). I understand that sentiment better now. But the anti-Romney contingent did not actively support Obama, as I recall. This year the anti-Trump Republicans went beyond saying they did not want to vote for Trump to urging people to vote for the Democrats. To me, that makes them Democrats, and I won’t vote for Democrats. :-) The Republicans are opposite the Democrats on most issues. I’m a Republican, and I agree with the Republicans. It’s a logic, set-theory situation. You can’t support the Democrats and the Republicans at the same time.
Postscript: I take that back. I would have to vote for the Never Trump Republican in the national election if I it was clear he or she was going to appoint Republicans to the cabinet.
There is certainly less ticket splitting today compared to 20 or 40 years ago. But ticket splitting does happen. Maine might be the most obvious example. Republican Susan Collins won her US Senate race by about 7 points while, also in Maine, Trump lost to Biden by about 10 points.
Also, there are lots of people who aren’t very political, but will turn out to vote against someone rather than for someone. It’s possible that Trump became, for many relatively non-political people, the person they loved to hate. So, they turned to vote, voted against Trump by voting for Biden and then failed to cast a vote for any other political office, such as congressman or state legislature.
Trump has lots of fan. But Trump also has lots of anti-fans. My wife hates Trump. She voted for Biden even as she voted for the Republican candidate for Governor and the Republican candidate for US House of Representatives.
I don’t like having arguments with my wife, so I just told her, “You decide,” when she was getting ready to vote.
My daughter did the same thing. We both voted for Cruz in the 2016 primaries. This election she voted for Biden in the Presidential election and Republicans for Congress and Senate. Her words: “I’m done with Trump.”
On the other side, there were a lot of Democrats who voted for Trump who normally don’t vote for Republicans. I think this is how Trump carried Pennsylvania in 2016 (and, at the least, came close this time) when Republicans hadn’t won PA since 1988. This was supposed to be a “Blue State” in perpetuity.
Trump giveth and Trump taketh away. I hope Republicans are willing to learn what they can from Trump while rejecting the bad parts of Trumpism.
This could be because Democrats voted for Collins, not because Republicans voted for Biden or not at all.
Unless someone would like to claim that Democrats never do ticket-splitting?
Don’t forget the significant number of independents. Most independents “lean” Republican or “lean” Democrat. But they can split tickets.
My wife voted for Joe Biden while voting for every other Republican on the ballot. I deliberately did not advise her on how to vote. Because I knew I would get absolutely nowhere. My wife is very stubborn.
We live in Indiana.
This is what really didn’t make any sense to me. I’m a conservative/Republican. Vote for Biden and Harris because Trump is destroying the country! What?????
That was the argument I had with my daughter, who is pro-life and conservative. She didn’t think Trump was destroying the country, she just couldn’t take him anymore. I get that. I find the guy repellant (but not as repellant as Biden, Jerry Nadler and the rest of that gang). But he’s definitely radioactive to a lot of young women.
As @charlotte might say, reason enough to repeal the 19th Amendment.
This makes a lot of sense. Half my neighbors had Ring doorbells, the gas station has a camera trained on the cash register to make sure employees are behaving with the money.
Cameras are everywhere, why not use them on something this important
Because the party of “science” would probably not agree.
Citizen: “Officer – I just witnessed a woman getting shot and thrown into the trunk of her car, and the assailant drove away in her car!”
Police officer: “Do you have a video of it?”
Citizen: “No, I was too shocked and upset as it happened and it happened so fast.”
Police officer: “Where did this supposedly happen?”
Citizen: “Just two blocks away about 2 minutes ago.”
Police Officer: “Well, I’d like to help…but you really need to provide me some evidence.”
Citizen: “Won’t you at least go to the scene and look to see if there’s any evidence? A shell casing? Blood?”
Police Officer: “I’m sorry, m’am. I’m awfully busy and it’s my lunch hour in about 10 minutes.”
Agreed. I just corrected my earlier comment.
The time to defeat another Republican is during the primaries. Once we are in the national elections, it’s a clear choice of Democrats versus Republicans.
I shouldn’t have written my earlier comment so quickly.