Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Can Democrats Survive a Trump Win?

 

Allow me a brief moment of personal pride. Four years ago, I was one of the few people who dared to believe that Donald Trump could become the President of the United States.

He wasn’t supposed to be the front-runner for the nomination. He was.

He wasn’t supposed to make it through the debates. He did.

He wasn’t supposed to be winner on Super Tuesday. He was.

He wasn’t supposed to be the nominee for the Republican Party. He is.

With odds like that, do we really want to go into the inauguration without a plan to deal with a Trump Presidency?

Four years later, we are in a very similar position. The Powers That Be are telling us, once again, that there is no way, no way that President Trump will be re-elected in November.

To answer Dr. Bastiat’s question, the Democrat strategy is simple: Commit voting fraud on a scale that has never been seen before in American politics. The problem they will have with this strategy is the same problem they had with the Kavanaugh hearings. They just don’t know when to say when. For many of us, the Democrat’s glee over abandoning the concept of “innocent until proven guilty” was a lightning rod. That was too far, and the Democrats went too far in their quest to block a Kavanaugh from the Supreme Court.

And so it will go with the vote harvesting, mail-in ballots, absentee ballots, etc., that will be the Democrat’s stock in trade over the next few weeks. They have removed the damper rods that were controlling their worst impulses. They see no reason to hold back: It’s time to end Trump and the GOP forever, and whatever it takes to accomplish that goal is worth trying.

However, because they live in a bubble, they don’t see how repugnant widespread voter fraud is to the American public. We want our votes to count, and no one likes a cheater. The mainstream Democratic Party, the party of JFK, Bill Clinton, and even Joe Biden will be the ones who will pay the price. Britain’s Labour Party was devastated last year when Boris Johnson and the Conservatives broke the “Red Wall” of the industrial north. America’s Democrats are staring at the same fate, should they lose this next election. They know this, and it scares them. They are willing to do anything to avoid going the way of the Whig Party.

Vote accordingly.

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  1. Django Member

    My crystal ball is currently under repair so I can’t answer the OP question. However, I think an equally important question is “Can the GOP survive a Trump loss?”

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    • October 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM PDT
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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. StephensJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Also, if they cheat and win, so what. Nothing bad happened to Frankin over it.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 7:39 PM PDT
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  3. Robert E. Lee Member
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    Can America survive a Trump win?

    I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it’s hard to see how we ended up with two such useless old lunatics being accepted as the only candidates in America worthy of our highest office. And instead of, say, proposing newer, younger, honest, competent people (always assuming such people exist in politics) we keep flogging the same dead horse, hoping we can drag it across the finish line before they can drag theirs across.

    Democrats (and Republicans) are like cockroaches, they always find a way to survive.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 7:49 PM PDT
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  4. Joshua Bissey Coolidge

    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):
    And instead of, say, proposing newer, younger, honest, competent people (always assuming such people exist in politics) we keep flogging the same dead horse, hoping we can drag it across the finish line before they can drag theirs across.

    Yeah, we need to quit nominating the same old, establishment career politicians like Donald Trump.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 7:57 PM PDT
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  5. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy WeivodaJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    For better or worse, both parties will survive regardless of who wins this presidential election.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 7:57 PM PDT
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  6. Django Member

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Robert E. Lee (View Comment):
    And instead of, say, proposing newer, younger, honest, competent people (always assuming such people exist in politics) we keep flogging the same dead horse, hoping we can drag it across the finish line before they can drag theirs across.

    Yeah, we need to quit nominating the same old, establishment career politicians like Donald Trump.

    There are some who might not get the sarcasm. 

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    • October 26, 2020, at 8:02 PM PDT
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  7. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    Assuming Trump wins (and I think he will), the Democrats will remain a minority party if they continue to pursue ‘Medicare for all’ and ‘Green New Deal’.

    They will dominate metro areas and certain states but nationally they will be a minority party nationally similar to Republicans after Herbert Hoover and Eisenhower. 

    White House: 1933 – 52

    House: 1955 – 94 

    Senate: 1955 – 80

     

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    • October 26, 2020, at 8:27 PM PDT
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  8. Gary McVey Contributor
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    “Damper rods”, a great metaphor drawn from controlling a nuclear chain reaction. As usual, Kevin gives his readers the implied compliment that even those of us without physics degrees will immediately figure this out from the context. 

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    • October 26, 2020, at 9:11 PM PDT
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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    I do not expect Trump to win. Given that I also did not expect him to win the first time. I am usually pretty good with my predictions with the exceptions of those items related to Trump. He is a wild card in the world of politics, so he may pull it out. He has made a living pulling golden eggs out of geese asses.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 9:51 PM PDT
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  10. drlorentz Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    “Damper rods”, a great metaphor drawn from controlling a nuclear chain reaction. As usual, Kevin gives his readers the implied compliment that even those of us without physics degrees will immediately figure this out from the context.

    Damper rods are for suspension systems. Control rods are for nuclear reactors.

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    • October 26, 2020, at 11:25 PM PDT
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  11. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    There could be a split in the Democrat party, with NeverTrump squishes (and many donors) joining the less radical faction; we could have an unstable 3-party system for awhile.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 12:12 AM PDT
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  12. aardo vozz Member

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    For better or worse, both parties will survive regardless of who wins this presidential election.

    Probably for worse.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 12:48 AM PDT
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  13. Sisyphus Coolidge
    SisyphusJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    You forgot that when he came down with Covid they published his obituaries on Friday and he was back to work by Monday. Someone survived Covid!!! Unbelievable!!! Never before has that ever happened. 

    You there! Yes you! Stop breathing! Don’t you know that’s dangerous!!! Don’t you back talk me, I’m your scientifically informed governor ignoring the spike in suicides and child abuse and bankruptcies and lost jobs for the children!!!

    Blackface? What? Oh, my, I thought I had cleaned up after. How awkward.

    This message was brought to you by the committee for anyone else for governor. Don’t forget to vote.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 2:01 AM PDT
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  14. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    “Damper rods”, a great metaphor drawn from controlling a nuclear chain reaction. As usual, Kevin gives his readers the implied compliment that even those of us without physics degrees will immediately figure this out from the context.

    Damper rods are for suspension systems. Control rods are for nuclear reactors.

    I thought they were rods that were slightly wetter than other, drier rods.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 3:53 AM PDT
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  15. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    You forgot that when he came down with Covid they published his obituaries on Friday and he was back to work by Monday. Someone survived Covid!!! Unbelievable!!! Never before has that ever happened.

    You there! Yes you! Stop breathing! Don’t you know that’s dangerous!!! Don’t you back talk me, I’m your scientifically informed governor ignoring the spike in suicides and child abuse and bankruptcies and lost jobs for the children!!!

    Blackface? What? Oh, my, I thought I had cleaned up after. How awkward.

    This message was brought to you by the committee for anyone else for governor. Don’t forget to vote.

    I remember a certain flagship podcast stating something along the lines of “that’s it”, it’ll just be evidence of his flaunting the COVID rules, etc. I assumed that he’d bounce back, stronger than ever, and use that as further evidence that he’s right on that stuff.

    Well. Another pundit prediction arcs downward from the heavens, aflame, and nary a “hey, I was wrong about that one, too” to be heard.

    Image result for plane on fire sky

     

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    • October 27, 2020, at 3:57 AM PDT
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  16. Sisyphus Coolidge
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    “Damper rods”, a great metaphor drawn from controlling a nuclear chain reaction. As usual, Kevin gives his readers the implied compliment that even those of us without physics degrees will immediately figure this out from the context.

    Damper rods are for suspension systems. Control rods are for nuclear reactors.

    I thought they were rods that were slightly wetter than other, drier rods.

    Rod Dreher?

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    • October 27, 2020, at 4:14 AM PDT
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  17. Guruforhire Member

    The way I read ancedotal data, is that if the democrats hadn’t abandoned civilized society, republicans would be and remain in the wilderness post-Bush.

    Imagine if Obama actually governed as the centrist he campaigned as. 2010 never happens, republicans are perpetually in the 40s in the senate and the house isn’t really competitive. Some moderately successful southern democratic governor becomes president instead of trump in 2016. Trump’s 2016 run is no more successful than his 2000 run.

    Every single thing that makes our politics unpleasant today is driven by the gross failure of the Bush Administration, and Leftwing radicalization and media monoculture.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 4:46 AM PDT
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  18. Guruforhire Member

    Where I was going with that was, if Trump wins, that may be a big enough political price for the democrats to pay, where the establishment left can’t keep enabling the far left. They will have paid a price, and maybe, just maybe politics, can return to normal.

    ACBs appointment should be a big enough price to pay for the democrats senate shenanigans. It would probably be in both parties interests no matter who wins what, to rebuild the guard rails in the senate torn down over the past 10 years. The democrats had to pay, and they have paid. Lets fix what was broken now.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 4:54 AM PDT
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  19. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    I do not expect Trump to win. Given that I also did not expect him to win the first time. I am usually pretty good with my predictions with the exceptions of those items related to Trump. He is a wild card in the world of politics, so he may pull it out. He has made a living pulling golden eggs out of geese asses.

    That’s not actually where eggs come from.

    Given the philosodomy of the current age, the confusion is understandable.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 6:11 AM PDT
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  20. Hartmann von Aue Member

    I sincerely hope that the answer to your question is “No” and that Trump does win. 

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    • October 27, 2020, at 6:49 AM PDT
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  21. Guruforhire Member

    Django (View Comment):

    My crystal ball is currently under repair so I can’t answer the OP question. However, I think an equally important question is “Can the GOP survive a Trump loss?”

    I think it will depend, on what conventional wisdom emerges. 

    There isn’t going to be a never trump return on white horses. They are basically dead to 90% of republicans. So, if Trump loses, that is the end of them, because the far left wackadoodles that pay for their out and out propaganda is gone. So…. That is the unavoidable outcome 1. So, I hope they paid off their debts with that sweet sweet leftist billionaire grift.

    The tea party is dead, killed off by parasites, and its own hubris.

    The war party is dead, due to reasons of wholesale failure.

    The So-Cons are dead (for now, but could pull a lazerus).

     

    I fully believe that the GOP is going to get Crushed because they have no agenda beyond the left is terrifying. They really haven’t had a point since 2006, beyond being a safe port in a leftist storm. Paul Ryan totally bungled the tea party moment, and buried it.

    So, if the GOP takes the loss as an opportunity to develop a 21st century agenda, built largely around reforms of things like copyright, propose some anti-trust stuff, tax deductibility of private school tuition, commission to raise the retirement age for Medicare/Social Security (its gotta get done), making the tax code more balanced, and working towards a 21st century foreign policy built around our actual interests, and not just institutional inertia. The cold-war era is over, and its time to retire the parts of it that don’t make sense anymore. And aggressively pursue working black men and black churches.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 6:56 AM PDT
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  22. Western Chauvinist Member
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    I have a different question: can America, as we have known it, survive a Trump loss (or a Trump win, but loss of both houses to Democrats)? Democrats have shown themselves to be against the rule of law, against constitutional norms (not to mention social norms), and fundamentally anti-American (as America was founded). Sure, there will still be a geographic US of A, and at least 50 states (she says sarcastically), but power in the hands of these elitists who are so very convinced they’re entitled to it as the anointed ones (this is the sin of pride, btw) is the last step to tyranny. Goodbye religious freedom (freedom of conscience), goodbye freedom of speech, goodbye the right to 2nd Amendment self-defense. . .

    Now, I’m one who thought, and still think, the end came with the reelection of Barack Obama in 2012 and Donald Trump was a happy, surprising stopgap, so I’m somewhat mentally prepared for what may follow this year. But, it still makes me sad we’ve come to this (end) point. The world will miss us when we’re gone. 

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    • October 27, 2020, at 6:57 AM PDT
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  23. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Here’s a prediction: Win or lose, the Democrats have a new project.

    1. They are interested in, and will be aggregating the information about, who voted.
    2. The big social media companies, Google, Amazon, and Apple are interested in, and are collecting information about your life, down to your Amazon wish list. There is pilot project obtaining this information about higher profile Trump supporters but it will scale.
    3. The Left will know who you voted for.
    4. The big social media companies, Google, Amazon, and Apple are all on board with the revolutionary agenda. (It’s no doubt coincidental that they are married to the (or as the Left would call it, they are sex workers engaged in transactions with the CCP.) They know a lot about you. They are willing to share it with their comrades. This is part of a larger phenomenon with a very disturbing parallel in prerevolutionary Russia:

    Between 1900 and 1917, waves of unprecedented terror struck Russia. Several parties professing incompatible ideologies competed (and cooperated) in causing havoc. Between 1905 and 1907, nearly 4,500 government officials and about as many private individuals were killed or injured. Between 1908 and 1910, authorities recorded 19,957 terrorist acts and revolutionary robberies, doubtless omitting many from remote areas. As the foremost historian of Russian terrorism, Anna Geifman, observes, “Robbery, extortion, and murder became more common than tra!c accidents.”

    Anyone wearing a uniform was a candidate for a bullet to the head or sulfuric acid to the face. Country estates were burnt down (“rural illuminations”) and businesses were extorted or blown up. Bombs were tossed at random into railroad carriages, restaurants, and theaters. Far from regretting the death and maiming of innocent bystanders, terrorists boasted of killing as many as possible, either because the victims were likely bourgeois or because any murder helped bring down the old order. A group of anarcho-​communists threw bombs laced with nails into a café bustling with two hundred customers in order “to see how the foul bourgeois will squirm in death agony.”

    Instead of the pendulum’s swinging back—a metaphor of inevitability that excuses people from taking a stand—the killing grew and grew, both in numbers and in cruelty. Sadism replaced simple killing. As Geifman explains, “The need to inflict pain was transformed from an abnormal irrational compulsion experienced only by unbalanced personalities into a formally verbalized obligation for all committed revolutionaries.” One group threw “traitors” into vats of boiling water. Others were still more inventive. Women torturers were especially admired.

    How did educated, liberal society respond to such terrorism? What was the position of the Constitutional Democratic (Kadet) Party and its deputies in the Duma (the parliament set up in 1905)? Though Kadets advocated democratic, constitutional procedures, and did not themselves engage in ​terrorism, they aided the terrorists in any way they could.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 7:52 AM PDT
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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I am waited jf for Google to start leaking negative search history

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    • October 27, 2020, at 8:12 AM PDT
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  25. I Walton Member

    Django (View Comment):

    My crystal ball is currently under repair so I can’t answer the OP question. However, I think an equally important question is “Can the GOP survive a Trump loss?”

    I don’t think any neo classical liberal party will be competitive, whatever its name, for decades if Democrats win. Chaos is likely, Presumably the digital companies will have to sort out how to bring some sort of order to the resulting chaos, so will take over a lot of the top. Of course if they play into China’s hands, it won’t matter that much. Of course a week out it’s too hard to predict.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM PDT
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  26. Raxxalan Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    My crystal ball is currently under repair so I can’t answer the OP question. However, I think an equally important question is “Can the GOP survive a Trump loss?”

    No to both.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 8:23 AM PDT
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  27. Raxxalan Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    For better or worse, both parties will survive regardless of who wins this presidential election.

    When I say no I mean that they will have to fundamentally change. Not necessarily that we’ll get a new political party. We will only get a new political party if there is a known issue of moral clarity that both parties are wrong on.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 8:27 AM PDT
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  28. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I have a different question: can America, as we have known it, survive a Trump loss (or a Trump win, but loss of both houses to Democrats)? Democrats have shown themselves to be against the rule of law, against constitutional norms (not to mention social norms), and fundamentally anti-American (as America was founded). Sure, there will still be a geographic US of A, and at least 50 states (she says sarcastically), but power in the hands of these elitists who are so very convinced they’re entitled to it as the anointed ones (this is the sin of pride, btw) is the last step to tyranny. Goodbye religious freedom (freedom of conscience), goodbye freedom of speech, goodbye the right to 2nd Amendment self-defense. . .

    Now, I’m one who thought, and still think, the end came with the reelection of Barack Obama in 2012 and Donald Trump was a happy, surprising stopgap, so I’m somewhat mentally prepared for what may follow this year. But, it still makes me sad we’ve come to this (end) point. The world will miss us when we’re gone.

    I’ve said this before; if America is dead should the Democrats win the White House just one more time, then it is already dead. Republicans may win in 2020, we may win in 2024, but we’re not going to win every time. You may as well start shopping for a new country now, because Democrats will inevitably win it again at some point.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 9:36 AM PDT
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  29. Guruforhire Member

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I have a different question: can America, as we have known it, survive a Trump loss (or a Trump win, but loss of both houses to Democrats)? Democrats have shown themselves to be against the rule of law, against constitutional norms (not to mention social norms), and fundamentally anti-American (as America was founded). Sure, there will still be a geographic US of A, and at least 50 states (she says sarcastically), but power in the hands of these elitists who are so very convinced they’re entitled to it as the anointed ones (this is the sin of pride, btw) is the last step to tyranny. Goodbye religious freedom (freedom of conscience), goodbye freedom of speech, goodbye the right to 2nd Amendment self-defense. . .

    Now, I’m one who thought, and still think, the end came with the reelection of Barack Obama in 2012 and Donald Trump was a happy, surprising stopgap, so I’m somewhat mentally prepared for what may follow this year. But, it still makes me sad we’ve come to this (end) point. The world will miss us when we’re gone.

    I’ve said this before; if America is dead should the Democrats win the White House just one more time, then it is already dead. Republicans may win in 2020, we may win in 2024, but we’re not going to win every time. You may as well start shopping for a new country now, because Democrats will inevitably win it again at some point.

    Yes, the republic was mortally wounded when the clinton campaign cooked up RussiaGate. It was finished off, when the entire leftwing establishment came out to ensure the J20 rioters didn’t go to jail.

    Maybe, just maybe if they lose, and lose decisively they can steer back to the civilization. But if that doesn’t work, have an exit strategy.

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    • October 27, 2020, at 10:15 AM PDT
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  30. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I have a different question: can America, as we have known it, survive a Trump loss (or a Trump win, but loss of both houses to Democrats)? Democrats have shown themselves to be against the rule of law, against constitutional norms (not to mention social norms), and fundamentally anti-American (as America was founded). Sure, there will still be a geographic US of A, and at least 50 states (she says sarcastically), but power in the hands of these elitists who are so very convinced they’re entitled to it as the anointed ones (this is the sin of pride, btw) is the last step to tyranny. Goodbye religious freedom (freedom of conscience), goodbye freedom of speech, goodbye the right to 2nd Amendment self-defense. . .

    Now, I’m one who thought, and still think, the end came with the reelection of Barack Obama in 2012 and Donald Trump was a happy, surprising stopgap, so I’m somewhat mentally prepared for what may follow this year. But, it still makes me sad we’ve come to this (end) point. The world will miss us when we’re gone.

    I’ve said this before; if America is dead should the Democrats win the White House just one more time, then it is already dead. Republicans may win in 2020, we may win in 2024, but we’re not going to win every time. You may as well start shopping for a new country now, because Democrats will inevitably win it again at some point.

    2012 was revealing of just how far gone we are. We reelected a terrible, destructive, divisive president steering us into economic malaise and never ending international and social conflict. Americans got fooled because of identity politics? Or what? Doesn’t matter. That was a deeply foolish mistake. 

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    • October 27, 2020, at 11:18 AM PDT
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