Narrative Set on “Proud Boys” Comment

 

Last night’s debate was a sparring match between my two Catholic relatives at Easter. It felt like I was watching two drunken Irishmen fight about anything and everything, not even knowing what they were arguing about, just that they were there to go at each other’s throats. It was a painful way to spend the evening, and they talked at each other, snipping, instead of getting into anything resembling a substantive argument.

The media need to set a narrative about “winner” and “loser,” and naturally, the President has to be the loser, and so, they grasped at straws to find a narrative on how the President not only lost, but did so in a spectacularly unfit fashion.

As we watched, I thought I identified the moment they’d fixate on: when President Trump tried to land a hit about Hunter Biden and Vice President Biden tried to use his dead son Beau as a human shield. President Trump dismissed the attempt, claiming he didn’t know or care anything about Beau Biden (and presumably, about his tragic untimely death). It was one of those gratuitous and cruel moments we’ve come to expect from the President, which is perhaps why the media passed on making that the story of the night.

Instead, they’re hysterical about the President sending secret coded messages to white supremacists.

Here’s what actually happened, according to the transcript:

That’s hardly the dog-whistle the media and Joe Biden are claiming.

Once again, they’re overplaying their hand. It would be easy to say that the President is fast to fire and does so indiscriminately. He doesn’t choose his words carefully, and that is irresponsible for a President to do. That is, of course, not what the narrative is. Instead, we’re being sold an abject lie. The President’s opponents can’t help but wildly exaggerate, and in so doing, the American people tune them out. We know when we’re being lied to, and we tune out the hysteria. When we tune out, we don’t just tune out the lies, but we tune out on the whole story, even when there are valid points of criticism to be found.

You’d think after four years they’d have figured this out by now.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    Fighting racism is their raison d’etre.

    Actually, scooping up money from the rubes is their raison d’etre. Sort of like Kendi and diAngelo.

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Fighting racism is their raison d’etre.

    Actually, scooping up money from the rubes is their raison d’etre. Sort of like Kendi and diAngelo.

    Shhh … You’ll spoil it for the gullible.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    Fighting racism is their raison d’etre.

    Actually, scooping up money from the rubes is their raison d’etre. Sort of like Kendi and diAngelo.

    Shhh … You’ll spoil it for the gullible.

    Kendi and diAngelo are to academia what Robert Tilton and Jimmy Swaggart were to Christianity: Hustlers selling indulgences for an obscene amount of money.

    When I see one of my friends reading Kendi or praising diAngelo, I think . . . “you poor gullible fool.”

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  4. Timothy Landon Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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  8. Percival Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    I think maybe Joe should have a beer summit with the non-white members of the Proud Boys so he can explain to them how they are white supremacists. Joe can bring Timothy along due to Timothy’s vise-like grip on the facts.

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  9. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    This has been completely debunked.

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  10. Z in MT Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    The president can condemn war casualties and POWS faster than specific purveyors of white supremacy and political violence. His refusal to distance himself from those groups is an intentional decision.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/

    Did you know the international leader of the Proud Boys is a Black Hispanic? I imagine he would be surprised to find out he was a white supremacist.

    “Mr. McInnes, who left the group in 2018, has been banned from most social-media platforms for his anti-Semitic statements, including a video called “Ten Things I Hate About Jews,” which he later changed to “Ten Things I Hate About Israel.””

    I read the article linked but got here and couldn’t believe it. This McInnes video was filmed in Israel and from beginning to end is thinly veiled parody describing behaviors of Israelis that Gavin found odd but admirable. It was a comedy bit. For this he gets described as anti-semitic. Gavin’s problem is that people don’t know jokes when they see them. 

    The woke left are killing comedy.

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  11. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Goldgeller (View Comment):

    Great post.

    Trump explicitly disavowed white supremacy. He missed an easy dunk with the Proud Boys comment, at least in terms of messaging. It was just wrong and completely out of bounds to see Biden on twitter accusing Kyle Rittenhouse of being a white supremacist. It’s this weird world where Trump misses an easy layup and Biden or someone else like a Pelosi comes in and totally goes too far– even when there is room to make a legit criticism of Trump. Then I end up defending Trump because the criticism is just so “out there.”

    Rittenhouse is suing him for libel. May he score a massive win. 

    And just out of curiousity: What evidence is there that the Proud Boys even are racists or white supremacists? A Black Republican site I subscribe to on FB claims they have Black members and shows screen shots of their site on which they explicitly denounce both racism and White supremacy. In light of the fact that the left calls everyone they hate a “racist”, “Nazi” or “White Surpemacist”, I think my question is more than justified. 

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  12. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    Did you ever notice that one of those two “sides” in the “both sides” included antifa and Burn Loot Murder? Does anyone here think Trump approves of those political constellations?

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  13. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    …of the argument about whether to rename the park and remove the statue. Don’t be deliberately obtuse. 

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  14. Percival Thatcher
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    …of the argument about whether to rename the park and remove the statue. Don’t be deliberately obtuse.

    There is no reason to infer deliberation.

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    This has been completely debunked.

    This does not matter. We keep posting that, and Gary and Now I guess Timothy, will ignore it because it does not fit their narrative. 

     

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  16. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    …of the argument about whether to rename the park and remove the statue. Don’t be deliberately obtuse.

    There is no reason to infer deliberation.

    Sure there is. Charity.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):
    Last night he refused to decry the political violence perpetrated and instigated by the Proud Boys.

    What political violence?

    And you apparently didn’t actually watch the debate, when the President was taunted by the moderator to condemn white supremacists, and he said “Sure! Give me some groups! I’ll condemn them!” Bethany quoted chapter and verse in the OP.

    I’ll bet you believe the Charlottesville “fine people” lie, too.

    He said there were fine people on both sides. https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs

    …of the argument about whether to rename the park and remove the statue. Don’t be deliberately obtuse.

    There is no reason to infer deliberation.

    Sure there is. Charity.

    That did make me laugh out loud.

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    I have yet to find any evidence of this “white supremacy” in the Proud Boys.

    Is it possible for the organization to sue Wallace, Biden, and the media in general? Lin Wood, I know you’re busy, but this seems important.

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  19. Kozak Member
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    Z in MT (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    Timothy Landon (View Comment):

    The president can condemn war casualties and POWS faster than specific purveyors of white supremacy and political violence. His refusal to distance himself from those groups is an intentional decision.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/

    Did you know the international leader of the Proud Boys is a Black Hispanic? I imagine he would be surprised to find out he was a white supremacist.

    “Mr. McInnes, who left the group in 2018, has been banned from most social-media platforms for his anti-Semitic statements, including a video called “Ten Things I Hate About Jews,” which he later changed to “Ten Things I Hate About Israel.””

    I read the article linked but got here and couldn’t believe it. This McInnes video was filmed in Israel and from beginning to end is thinly veiled parody describing behaviors of Israelis that Gavin found odd but admirable. It was a comedy bit. For this he gets described as anti-semitic. Gavin’s problem is that people don’t know jokes when they see them.

    The woke left are killing comedy.

    McInnes had to distance himself from the Proud Boys after they were railroaded in NY for defending themselves from an Antifa mob, and he was told it would help their defense if he wasn’t associated with them.

    They were being persecuted by the NY justice system for defending themselves.

    Thats what we are up against.

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  20. Instugator Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    When I see one of my friends reading Kendi or praising diAngelo, I think . . . “you poor gullible fool.”

    I think of this

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