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  1. Freeven Member
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    Sending kids to public schools leftist indoctrination centers is a form of child abuse.

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  2. Freeven Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    One of the few things I’ll defend Kamala on. College kids are morons.

    Yes, its the only point of agreement.

    Not so much. Try asking Harris why we should listen to Greta Thunberg and watch her head spin.

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  3. RightAngles Member
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    I would like to know if these were the only ones he interviewed. It’s pretty easy to get clicks on a video by using selective editing.

    Of course, as a private tutor, I don’t need convincing that kids learn nothing in school. But with millions of undereducated students in the country, it would be really easy to cherry pick evidence.

    I can’t speak for the Campus Reform guy, but Jesse Watters does these all the time, and his are unedited and not cherry-picked, and they’re just as appalling.  Kids who think we won our independence from France, kids who, when shown a photo of Mitt Romney, thought he was a game show host. Some of them didn’t know why we celebrate the 4h of July. One thought we’d won our independence from Canada. They’re pretty funny I guess, but it’s hard to watch. These were young adults old enough to vote.

    The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.

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  4. Miffed White Male Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    kids who, when shown a photo of Mitt Romney, thought he was a game show host

    To be fair, that’s a pretty easily understood mistake.

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  5. Ansonia Member
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    @Ansonia

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    “The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.“

    Oh yes, absolutely. The Democrats require a large underclass, as poorly educated as possible and disproportionately black.
    The only difference between today’s Democrats and yesterday’s slaveholders, regarding the illiteracy and innumeracy of the black underclass, is that the slaveholders were fully conscious of what they were doing and why they were doing it; so, also obviously not at all ashamed, secretive, deceptive and indirect about what they were doing when they made laws against teaching a slave to read, and when they acted to discourage people from teaching reading and arithmetic to blacks who were not enslaved.
    (Off the subject: The Eloi can be found in what science fiction novel ? Who is the author ?)

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  6. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Ansonia (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    “The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.“

    Oh yes, absolutely. The Democrats require a large underclass, as poorly educated as possible and disproportionately black.
    The only difference between today’s Democrats, and yesterday’s slaveholders, regarding the illiteracy and innumeracy of the black underclass, is that the slaveholders were fully conscious of what they were doing and why they were doing it; so, also obviously not at all ashamed, secretive, deceptive and indirect about what they were doing when they made laws against teaching a slave to read, and when they acted to discourage people from teaching reading and arithmetic to blacks who were not enslaved.
    (Off the subject: The Eloi can be found in what science fiction novel ? Who is the author ?)

    H.G. Wells’ The Time Machine.

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  7. MeandurΦ Member
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    @DeanMurphy

    Ansonia (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    “The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.“

    Oh yes, absolutely. The Democrats require a large underclass, as poorly educated as possible and disproportionately black.
    The only difference between today’s Democrats, and yesterday’s slaveholders, regarding the illiteracy and innumeracy of the black underclass, is that the slaveholders were fully conscious of what they were doing and why they were doing it; so, also obviously not at all ashamed, secretive, deceptive and indirect about what they were doing when they made laws against teaching a slave to read, and when they acted to discourage people from teaching reading and arithmetic to blacks who were not enslaved.
    (Off the subject: The Eloi can be found in what science fiction novel ? Who is the author ?)

    H. G. Wells, The Time Machine, the Eloi and the Morlocks.

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  8. RightAngles Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    kids who, when shown a photo of Mitt Romney, thought he was a game show host

    To be fair, that’s a pretty easily understood mistake.

    In a vacuum, yes it is. But this happened during the 2012 election when he was running for president. Had it happened today, I’d have given them a pass.

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  9. RightAngles Member
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    Ansonia (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    “The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.“

    Oh yes, absolutely. The Democrats require a large underclass, as poorly educated as possible and disproportionately black.
    The only difference between today’s Democrats and yesterday’s slaveholders, regarding the illiteracy and innumeracy of the black underclass, is that the slaveholders were fully conscious of what they were doing and why they were doing it; so, also obviously not at all ashamed, secretive, deceptive and indirect about what they were doing when they made laws against teaching a slave to read, and when they acted to discourage people from teaching reading and arithmetic to blacks who were not enslaved.

    I think they also know that if the schools taught Civics and US History the way it was taught when I was in school, the students would be inculcated with a sense of pride and of being grateful they were born here, instead of coming out of it ashamed to be American. They did this purposefully since 1970, and we let them, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

     

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    I think they also know that if the schools taught Civics and US History the way it was taught when I was in school, the students would be inculcated with a sense of pride and of being grateful they were born here, instead of coming out of it ashamed to be American. They did this purposefully since 1970, and we let them, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

    It started after 1970.  I’d put the time more in the mid-90s, after the end of the cold war.

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  11. CACrabtree Coolidge
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    Is it any wonder that some schools/teachers don’t want parents (that is, those parents who still give a flip) to know what they are teaching?

     

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennessee-parents-waiver-eavesdropping-online-lessons

     

    Sounds like the “Little People Time” where Coco the Clown is reading them porno.  (As seen in a recent post here at Ricochet.)

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  12. RightAngles Member
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    @RightAngles

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    I think they also know that if the schools taught Civics and US History the way it was taught when I was in school, the students would be inculcated with a sense of pride and of being grateful they were born here, instead of coming out of it ashamed to be American. They did this purposefully since 1970, and we let them, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

    It started after 1970. I’d put the time more in the mid-90s, after the end of the cold war.

    Its roots are in 1970 when Carter created the Federal Department of Education. That is when the Woodstock hippies started getting out of college and becoming teachers, and soon they were training teachers a whole new way. We moved to a very conservative city in 1994, but found that by then it didn’t matter where you lived anymore. It only mattered how teachers were now being trained. And now here we are.

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  13. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    I would like to know if these were the only ones he interviewed. It’s pretty easy to get clicks on a video by using selective editing.

    Of course, as a private tutor, I don’t need convincing that kids learn nothing in school. But with millions of undereducated students in the country, it would be really easy to cherry pick evidence.

    I can’t speak for the Campus Reform guy, but Jesse Watters does these all the time, and his are unedited and not cherry-picked, and they’re just as appalling. Kids who think we won our independence from France, kids who, when shown a photo of Mitt Romney, thought he was a game show host. Some of them didn’t know why we celebrate the 4h of July. One thought we’d won our independence from Canada. They’re pretty funny I guess, but it’s hard to watch. These were young adults old enough to vote.

    The Democrats, who bray about being “the Party of Education,” actually do best when people are uneducated, and I think they know that. We’re turning into the Eloi.

    In fairness, Mitt Romney is pretty game show hosty.

    Edit: When you’re not swift, your idea is taken by Miffed.

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  14. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    The young teacher in the green shirt was so proud of how her focus in educating the students in her history class has been current events, including her stressing that the nation’s history was racist and then letting them understand the righteous position of Black Lives Matter.

    Yes. Honestly, when I first saw that, I thought she should be summarily fired.

    One of the standard lines from teachers is that they should be free to mis-educate children in whatever way they wish because “academic freedom.” Never mind that academic freedom is about universities and scholarly research. Never mind the quaint idea that parents might have a say in how their children are educated.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Its roots are in 1970 when Carter created the Federal Department of Education.

    Not entirely disagreeing with your premise, but Carter became President in 1977.

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  16. RightAngles Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Its roots are in 1970 when Carter created the Federal Department of Education.

    Not entirely disagreeing with your premise, but Carter became President in 1977.

    what EVER. The 1970s. I always say 1970 for this as a verbal shorthand. Anyway it’s all Carter’s fault.

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  17. Ansonia Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    ago

    Nope. I know she’s right (not about when Carter became President, but about when the attitude toward the country and its history changed.) I know because  I was there. If I hadn’t gone off to live at a commune in the summer of 1974, I would have graduated high school in 1975 instead of getting a G.E.D.. Between 1971 and 1974, I heard in school a lot of the anti-Americanism she’s talking about. I’m sure not anywhere near to the extent of today. But there was definitely a change going on.

    Without looking it up, I’m positive it was in August of ‘74 that Nixon resigned.

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  18. Ansonia Member
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    @Ansonia

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    The young teacher in the green shirt was so proud of how her focus in educating the students in her history class has been current events, including her stressing that the nation’s history was racist and then letting them understand the righteous position of Black Lives Matter.

    Yes. Honestly, when I first saw that, I thought she should be summarily fired.

    One of the standard lines from teachers is that they should be free to mis-educate children in whatever way they wish because “academic freedom.” Never mind that academic freedom is about universities and scholarly research. Never mind the quaint idea that parents might have a say in how their children are educated.

    Parents in the 1970’s didn’t assert their right to have a say in how their kids were educated. You discussed your classes with your parents only when they were concerned about a low grade you had gotten.
    I was very creeped by that story out of Tennessee, not because parents should necessarily stop teachers from teaching certain things or expressing certain opinions (although I’m not sure, in some cases, that they shouldn’t) I was concerned because kids are much less likely to hear from their parents a different point of view on something if the parents don’t know what they’re hearing in school.
    I was also creeped because I know exactly how good people from the school system will be at convincing kids and their parents that parents who are listening in on their classes are being controlling, are living vicariously through their kids, are inhibiting their children’s growth.

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  19. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Ansonia (View Comment):
    Parents in the 1970’s didn’t assert their right to have a say in how their kids were educated. You discussed your classes with your parents only when they were concerned about a low grade you had gotten.

    This is from the 60’s, so may not apply, but my parents took a good bit of interest in how we were educated.  I’ve mentioned this before on Ricochet, but it’s worth repeating.  When I was in the seventh grade, we had a dance section in PE.  I was raised a Southern Baptist, and was excused from the class, but assigned a report on dancing instead.  I mentioned it at dinner one night.  The next day, my father showed up in uniform (air force) and remonstrated (I assume) with my PE teacher, and my assignment was cancelled.  I got two weeks in the library reading anything I wanted to read.

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  20. Ansonia Member
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    @Ansonia

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):
    Parents in the 1970’s didn’t assert their right to have a say in how their kids were educated. You discussed your classes with your parents only when they were concerned about a low grade you had gotten.

    This is from the 60’s, so may not apply, but my parents took a good bit of interest in how we were educated. I’ve mentioned this before on Ricochet, but it’s worth repeating. When I was in the seventh grade, we had a dance section in PE. I was raised a Southern Baptist, and was excused from the class, but assigned a report on dancing instead. I mentioned it at dinner one night. The next day, my father showed up in uniform (air force) and remonstrated (I assume) with my PE teacher, and my assignment was cancelled. I got two weeks in the library reading anything I wanted to read.

    🤣

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  21. Kephalithos Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment): I think they also know that if the schools taught Civics and US History the way it was taught when I was in school, the students would be inculcated with a sense of pride and of being grateful they were born here, instead of coming out of it ashamed to be American. They did this purposefully since 1970, and we let them, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

    I graduated in 2014, when the spin was still, “Isn’t America great? Just look at Barack Obama!”

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  22. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    It’s too hard to do with distance learning because I need to do a basic review first, but I Often have an assignment in which kids do man-on-the-street interviews as a project.  The thing I’ve learned?  General US History knowledge really is this bad.

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  23. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    It’s too hard to do with distance learning because I need to do a basic review first, but I Often have an assignment in which kids do man-on-the-street interviews as a project. The thing I’ve learned? General US History knowledge really is this bad.

    I remember seeing a video of a series of questions to young blacks.  They didn’t know the answers to any of the them.  Grand dad wandered over, and answered every one.

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  24. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    @LoisLane

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    It’s too hard to do with distance learning because I need to do a basic review first, but I Often have an assignment in which kids do man-on-the-street interviews as a project. The thing I’ve learned? General US History knowledge really is this bad.

    I remember seeing a video of a series of questions to young blacks. They didn’t know the answers to any of the them. Grand dad wandered over, and answered every one.

    This is a story that could be repeated for most groups of Americans.  The oldsters know more than the kids.  I used to think this was because schools have gotten worse.  There is some of that, but I also think we often grow into caring more about the past as we mature…. 

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  25. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    It’s too hard to do with distance learning because I need to do a basic review first, but I Often have an assignment in which kids do man-on-the-street interviews as a project. The thing I’ve learned? General US History knowledge really is this bad.

    I remember seeing a video of a series of questions to young blacks. They didn’t know the answers to any of the them. Grand dad wandered over, and answered every one.

    This is a story that could be repeated for most groups of Americans. The oldsters know more than the kids. I used to think this was because schools have gotten worse. There is some of that, but I also think we often grow into caring more about the past as we mature….

    Gotta disagree. Schools are shamefully maleducating students these days. I remember getting to know Mr. C’s parents as we were dating. They were Okies from humble backgrounds. Mr C’s dad actually grew up in part living in a sod hut out on the prairie (with 10 siblings). He left home at fourteen, working every job from lumberjack in New Mexico to window washer in Seattle. Tried to join the military and was found out to be underage. Eventually he was in the initial group of Airborne Rangers serving in Korea. 

    What impressed me was he and Mr. C’s mom both read the newspaper cover to cover every day. They kept up. And they’d learned their civics in one room schoolhouses. There is no way these 21st century students will ever know as much about their country — and likely won’t even be interested to know. Why learn about such a racist, unjust nation, even if you’re a citizen of it?

    The Left has a lot to answer for.

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  26. RightAngles Member
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    Kephalithos (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment): I think they also know that if the schools taught Civics and US History the way it was taught when I was in school, the students would be inculcated with a sense of pride and of being grateful they were born here, instead of coming out of it ashamed to be American. They did this purposefully since 1970, and we let them, and now the chickens have come home to roost.

    I graduated in 2014, when the spin was still, “Isn’t America great? Just look at Barack Obama!”

    gah

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  27. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    @JosephStanko

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Ansonia (View Comment):
    Parents in the 1970’s didn’t assert their right to have a say in how their kids were educated. You discussed your classes with your parents only when they were concerned about a low grade you had gotten.

    This is from the 60’s, so may not apply, but my parents took a good bit of interest in how we were educated. I’ve mentioned this before on Ricochet, but it’s worth repeating. When I was in the seventh grade, we had a dance section in PE. I was raised a Southern Baptist, and was excused from the class, but assigned a report on dancing instead. I mentioned it at dinner one night. The next day, my father showed up in uniform (air force) and remonstrated (I assume) with my PE teacher, and my assignment was cancelled. I got two weeks in the library reading anything I wanted to read.

     Where did you grow up, Bomont Oklahoma?

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  28. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):

    It’s too hard to do with distance learning because I need to do a basic review first, but I Often have an assignment in which kids do man-on-the-street interviews as a project. The thing I’ve learned? General US History knowledge really is this bad.

    I remember seeing a video of a series of questions to young blacks. They didn’t know the answers to any of the them. Grand dad wandered over, and answered every one.

    This is a story that could be repeated for most groups of Americans. The oldsters know more than the kids. I used to think this was because schools have gotten worse. There is some of that, but I also think we often grow into caring more about the past as we mature….

    I think that some of it is just that we pick things up by osmosis.  I’ve been around a long time; of course I know more than someone who hasn’t.

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  29. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
     Where did you grow up, Bomont Oklahoma?

    This particular incident happened in Portland, Oregon.

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  30. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    @OccupantCDN

    In this current age, I wonder if this is a real Churchill quote. Its seems so on the nose, that it must be fake – otherwise it would be everywhere:

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