The Man is a Boor and a Bore

 

Let me say first that I still plan on voting for Trump in November. He’s done great things for the economy, for unemployment, new job creation, and has done a pretty good job on coronavirus, sanctioned Iran, supported Israel, as well as other achievements.

But my ability to listen to the man has been tapped out.

I know he can do whatever he wants when he calls a press conference, but he announced he was going to speak about China, which he did for about a total of (generously) 10 minutes of the 52 minutes he spoke, mostly at the end. I was about to tear out my hair listening to the same liturgy about all his achievements; I can almost recite them along with him. And don’t try to tell me that he’s doing it for all those people who’ve not heard him provide his long list of claims. By now, I’ll bet most people can recite them right along with me: more virus tests than anyone in the world, ventilators, respirators, facilities, testing leads to more cases, improved black employment, punishing China. It makes me crazy.

At this point, I realize he will not change his style or content. I know that he loves to hear himself talk. I know that he misses campaign rallies (which was essentially what he gave tonight). I know that he doesn’t care about persuading anyone to vote for him except his base: screw the independents or doubting Liberals.

I also know that many of you will want to persuade me to (1) stop listening to him; (2) accept his job performance, not his personality; and (3) just vote for him in November.

I will vote for him.

But I will go to the polls gritting my teeth.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I heard this fellow on Glenn Beck the other day and he has used his model to predict elections since 1912. He sounded very credible. He doesn’t use polls, but a complex model that predicted Trump would win in 2016. He’s predicting (through the electoral vote) that Trump has a 91% chance of winning in November. Here’s an article on him:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/5/inside-the-beltway-professor-trump-has-91-chance-t/

     

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  2. Stad Coolidge
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    @Stad

    Susan Quinn: But I will go to the polls gritting my teeth.

    I’m going to the polls with a smile on my face and a song in my heart as I pull the lever for DJT and all the Republicans.

    Okay, “pull the lever” is dated, but you know what I mean . . .

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    What if most of his base doesn’t tune in and he is speaking mostly to people he might convert.

    The problem is he has limited ability to convert based on his talk and personality. His actions maybe, but the more you see him in person he’s a mess. I see all the time how he turns off people who should be agreeing with him on substance. He is what he is.

    I wonder at this point if he really cares if he is reelected. His campaign is disorganized and dispirited and he can’t keep himself focused. I suspect Melania, Ivanka, and Jared would be happy to go home and call it a day.

    This isn’t and has never been a question of ‘conversion’. I’ve come to see that as an absolute illusion. Unfortunately that’s a loser game. And it’s not a popularity contest either. Not with the media. The media is the ‘media’. They spin, collate, present, order and lie. If they were honest we might be able to ‘convert’ people. They are converting people, but they are losing people like crazy. Conversion is out the window. This is smash-mouth.

    Did you see the Rushmore speech? There will be more of those.

    It’s about motivating the base and getting new people who have been on the sidelines. There are people who didn’t vote for him in 2016 who will come out of the woodwork. Trump will win. It could be a landslide even. It hasn’t even really started yet.

    It sounds to me like you ( and others) are falling for the MSM drumbeat narrative. Or maybe you have a direct source.

    Now I could be deluded. I will digest their narratives, but I also look deeper and see what they are not reporting. This mayhem will bite the Democrats. The way the Democrats are becoming petty tyrants will also hurt them. There are unreported and credible polls that show quite the opposite.

    I made this short comment without a lot of conviction and I’m surprised to have gotten reaction with several differing viewpoints. Perhaps thing will clarify as we get closer to Election Day.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: But my ability to listen to the man has been tapped out.

    There’s your problem. I very rarely listen to any politician. If I really need to know what they said there’s usually a transcript somewhere.

    I rarely listen to him and I don’t tweet so I only see the one’s that make the news.

    You mean, you only see the lies about the ones that make the news.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I don’t listen to direct statements from the President very often myself.

    I thought that his July 3 speech at Mt. Rushmore was very well done.

    One good speech does not an admirable person make, Jerry.

    Actually he’s made several, including SOTUs, but they don’t get as much attention especially from the lamestream media.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    What if most of his base doesn’t tune in and he is speaking mostly to people he might convert.

    If I were an independent, his boasting and repetition would turn me off. I don’t think he impresses people when he boasts about the best at something, or saying no one else in the world has done what he has done, over and over. Just sayin’ . . .

    Do you like to hear people boast about themselves, @bobthompson. (That’s different than listing your accomplishments.)

    But again, he’s not trying to convince US.  And that kind of talk works on a lot of people, which helps explain why Obama got elected twice.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    TreeRat (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m reflecting on why I wrote this post. Normally I don’t write posts that will cause tensions between myself and others on Ricochet. But I just needed to get this frustration off my chest. I think that there was a part of me that wanted to see if we as members had grown enough to listen to a person who has good reason to be frustrated (even if you disagree with me) and can take my comments, just as they are, not making me a bad or evil person. I must admit that there is a part of me that still wishes that Trump would change. I really do want to like him, because I know he has good qualities and I acknowledge those, too. Also, I think it’s important to point out that it is possible to dislike the man and still vote for him. I think a lot of people feel they have to like a man to vote for him. I don’t.

    I don’t think that you have to like someone to vote for him or her. But you need to respect and trust them. In this case, I don’t.

    Unless he/she opposes Trump, right?

    He respects those people BECAUSE they oppose Trump.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    TreeRat (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    TreeRat (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m reflecting on why I wrote this post. Normally I don’t write posts that will cause tensions between myself and others on Ricochet. But I just needed to get this frustration off my chest. I think that there was a part of me that wanted to see if we as members had grown enough to listen to a person who has good reason to be frustrated (even if you disagree with me) and can take my comments, just as they are, not making me a bad or evil person. I must admit that there is a part of me that still wishes that Trump would change. I really do want to like him, because I know he has good qualities and I acknowledge those, too. Also, I think it’s important to point out that it is possible to dislike the man and still vote for him. I think a lot of people feel they have to like a man to vote for him. I don’t.

    I don’t think that you have to like someone to vote for him or her. But you need to respect and trust them. In this case, I don’t.

    Unless he/she opposes Trump, right?

    No. I think that you misunderstood me. I don’t respect or trust Trump and I find his character, integrity and capacity lacking. I don’t need to like someone to vote for them, but they must have character, integrity and capacity for me to respect and trust them. Trump doesn’t.

    Does Biden? What about the folks behind him?

    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil Democrats is for good people to not vote for Trump.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    For instance, Joe Biden gave an important speech today covering the economy and energy.

    Check it out, tell me what you think:

    Why wasn’t he wearing a mask?  Don’t they think everyone should be wearing a mask, always?

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    It’s about motivating the base and getting new people who have been on the sidelines. There are people who didn’t vote for him in 2016 who will come out of the woodwork. Trump will win. It could be a landslide even. It hasn’t even really started yet.

     

    What color is the sky in your world?

    Trump is losing badly. No matter how much you want to believe otherwise, the national polls aren’t wrong. They weren’t wrong in 2016, and they weren’t wrong in 2018. Trump only won in 2016 because a few states shifted a percentage point the right way.

    It’s possible he could still eke out a second victory, if the Dem/antifa left overplay their hand enough to spark a vote against them (rather than for Trump). And there really is a long way to go – at this point in 1988 H.W. Bush was down double-digits nationally.

    But Bush was disciplined enough to stay on message. Trump, not so much.

    The riots and stuff could still be keeping the voters on message.

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  11. Suspira Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    What if most of his base doesn’t tune in and he is speaking mostly to people he might convert.

    If I were an independent, his boasting and repetition would turn me off. I don’t think he impresses people when he boasts about the best at something, or saying no one else in the world has done what he has done, over and over. Just sayin’ . . .

    Do you like to hear people boast about themselves, @bobthompson. (That’s different than listing your accomplishments.)

    Just sayin’. I don’t know who listens to him when he speaks. Someone here went to a rally and really thought it was good. I’ve watched portions of those and I think he does better because he spends more time on pointing out Biden’s fails than his own successes.

    From what I can see, those who listen to him are (1) his fans, and (2) his haters. For the first group, everything he says is wonderful and he is the greatest president ever. For the second group, everything he says—including “and” and “the”—is a lie or hate speech or both.

    IOW, Trump may as well be talking to himself, which maybe he is. It would explain a lot.

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  12. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m reflecting on why I wrote this post. Normally I don’t write posts that will cause tensions between myself and others on Ricochet. But I just needed to get this frustration off my chest. I think that there was a part of me that wanted to see if we as members had grown enough to listen to a person who has good reason to be frustrated (even if you disagree with me) and can take my comments, just as they are, not making me a bad or evil person. I must admit that there is a part of me that still wishes that Trump would change. I really do want to like him, because I know he has good qualities and I acknowledge those, too. Also, I think it’s important to point out that it is possible to dislike the man and still vote for him. I think a lot of people feel they have to like a man to vote for him. I don’t.

    What frustrates me is that it seems like Trump has left the rhetorical field open to the Left.  And the Left already has an advantage in the rhetorical arena because they dominate the media, academia and entertainment.  So, I understand your point.

    It’s as though we are watching a football game where one side has placed their strongest players on the field, fighting for every yard, while the other team has sent out its marching band with shoulder pads and helmets.

    I fear we are going to not just lose this November, but lose badly.

    Trump has done some very positive things for the country.  But his ability to communicate beyond the hard core MAGA folks seems nonexistent.

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  13. Arvo Inactive
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    I wonder whether Paul and Peter, having casual conversation over dinner in Rome towards the end of their lives, got into knock down drag out arguments about who was the better emperor, Nero or Claudius.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I don’t listen to direct statements from the President very often myself.

    I thought that his July 3 speech at Mt. Rushmore was very well done.

    One good speech does not an admirable person make, Jerry.

    He’s made several good speeches. But the press generally calls them “dark and divisive” or something.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Do you like to hear people boast about themselves, @bobthompson.

    Boasting about oneself actually plays well with some demographics.

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  16. Jim Beck Inactive
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    Morning Susan,

    Might read Ann Althouse, https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-president-of-united-states-ladies.html#more

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  17. Bob Thompson Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m reflecting on why I wrote this post. Normally I don’t write posts that will cause tensions between myself and others on Ricochet. But I just needed to get this frustration off my chest. I think that there was a part of me that wanted to see if we as members had grown enough to listen to a person who has good reason to be frustrated (even if you disagree with me) and can take my comments, just as they are, not making me a bad or evil person. I must admit that there is a part of me that still wishes that Trump would change. I really do want to like him, because I know he has good qualities and I acknowledge those, too. Also, I think it’s important to point out that it is possible to dislike the man and still vote for him. I think a lot of people feel they have to like a man to vote for him. I don’t.

    What frustrates me is that it seems like Trump has left the rhetorical field open to the Left. And the Left already has an advantage in the rhetorical arena because they dominate the media, academia and entertainment. So, I understand your point.

    It’s as though we are watching a football game where one side has placed their strongest players on the field, fighting for every yard, while the other team and sent out its marching band with shoulder pads and helmets.

    I fear we are going to not just lose this November, but lose badly.

    Trump has done some very positive things for the country. But his ability to communicate beyond the hard core MAGA folks seems nonexistent.

    My take on what you are saying is that the key to a valid and effective election is for the voters to have knowledge and understanding of what is at stake. We probably have close to the worst of all possible scenarios from both the candidate and the electorate to accomplish an outcome that fulfills that requirement.

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  18. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    @lowtech redneck

    I’ve actively avoided listening to Presidents for my entire adult life, so I’m usually bemused by these type of posts.

    I care a lot less about ‘inflammatory’ tweets and statements than I do statements of betrayal toward the base-for that reason, Trump tends to irritate or anger me a lot less than most other Republicans.

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  19. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Jim Beck (View Comment):

    Morning Susan,

    Might read Ann Althouse, https://althouse.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-president-of-united-states-ladies.html#more

    Ann Althouse is my favorite liberal. And I assume she still considers herself one.

    It seems to me Trump has a way of speaking, and it’s idiosyncratic but enjoyably listenable if you get into its groove but weird and chaotic if you resist.

    Yep. I love listening to him talk. Because he doesn’t really “give speeches.” He talks.

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  20. TreeRat Inactive
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    Does Biden? What about the folks behind him?

    Tree,

    Those aren’t actually important questions to Gary — the trustworthiness of Biden et al. Gary is engaged in a gambit, deliberately sacrificing something in hopes of achieving something of greater value.

    What he is sacrificing is four years of Republican governance that, if it’s like the past four years, is likely to be fairly conservative in several ways that matter. What he is accepting in its place is four years — or, more likely, eight years, given the prevalence of two-term administrations — of Democratic governance. In fact, he’s accepting eight years of what promises to be the most radical and “progressive,” transformative governance America has seen since at least FDR, and probably ever.

    Of course, other things might happen, things I think are at least as likely as a self-reflective rebirth of the party of Reagan.

    • Frustrated Republicans might conclude that doing what the Democrats did, which is adopting a no-holds-barred strategy of demonizing, attacking, smearing, lying, and disrupting is the way to win. That would turn the party into the opposite of what the anti-Trump right want. However, it’s a perfectly plausible lesson to take from defeat, particularly given that the Democrats would have demonstrated its efficacy.
    • The Republican party might split along conventional versus Trumpian lines, with a small double-digit percentage peeling away to form a populist party. That would pretty much guarantee Democratic wins for the foreseeable future.
    • The Democrats, having secured the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives, might invoke the nuclear option as regards legislation, and then pass legislation with a simple majority in both chambers. (I actually expect them to do this the next time they’re in power in the Senate.) The consequences of that could be dramatic changes to voting laws including widespread motor-voter and mail-in ballots, widespread voting fraud, and, again, a Democratic lock on future elections. We’d also get a national version of California’s disastrous AB5 bill, all the environmental claptrap the left wants, an end to hydraulic fracturing and inexpensive energy, and a litany of other transformative leftist proposals.

    As I say, it’s a gambit: we’re giving up an almost certain thing in exchange for a hoped-for better thing. I think it’s a fool’s bet, but then I think there’s a lot of foolishness, and incredible arrogance, on the anti-Trump right. So here we are.

    I agree.  You said it better than I have (ever) done.  I have been trying to illustrate that Gary’s ‘reasons’ do not seem credible because they are not consistently applied and that his objective seems to be to reserve ‘his’ party, even at the expense of the nation.  I like your approach better.

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  21. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    I had a hard time listening to Obama and Bush as well.

    My problem with Trump are the entirely unnecessary unforced error tweets.

    It’s perfectly fine to say nothing on a wide variety of topics, and an excellent strategy to review what you are going to say with your most trusted advisors.

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  22. Suspira Member
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    @Suspira

    Here in Alabama, former attorney general Jeff Sessions just went down in defeat to former college football coach Tommy Tuberville. Tubby will face Senator Doug Jones (Fluke-AL) in November.

    I don’t know how that’s going to go. The power of incumbency has always been really strong here. The devil you know, and all that. I voted for Sessions because he is experienced and knows how to campaign and how to legislate. And he’s the devil I know. But he made one colossal mistake that doomed his political fortunes. No, it wasn’t recusing himself, which arguably was the right thing to do. It was getting on the Trump Train early and blowing its horn too much and too enthusiastically.

    Trump, who values loyalty from his supporters, but has none to give, tenaciously and ungraciously held a white-hot grudge against Sessions and never let up on him. Too bad for Jeff, but I guess your sins really do find you out.

    As for Tubby, I liked him a lot as a coach (War Eagle!), but I haven’t the slightest idea what he’ll do in the Senate, other than pledge fealty to Trump. I’ll vote for him, of course.

    I helped elect Jones last time. I hated doing it, but Roy Moore had to be kept out of office. If Jones is re-elected, I’ll get my just deserts, I guess. My sins will have found me out. Kyrie eleison.

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Got this from a RedState article by Dennis Santiago:

    Opinion: The Central Question of the 2020 Election

     

     

    In case you have not figured it out yet, the 2020 election boils down to a simple question. Should we continue the process of bringing outsiders into Washington DC to change the infrastructure of government and wrestle it away from the Beltway establishment? Or should we return control of the country to the Washington DC elites?

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  24. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    @LoisLane

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    Susan. you’re exactly right. Most teenagers are more mature than Trump. My god, I thought the man would learn by this time how to come across as a thinking, mature individual. But no. He’s as petty and as egotistical as ever. What a blowhard! Can’t anyone in his administration control him?

    And for that reason, I think Trump is going to be defeated come November.

    I think that’s right, and I am very afraid of how emboldened the progressive left has become.  Biden isn’t even pretending to be moderate now, when he speaks at all.  It’s so crazy.  Whatever happens with Trump, I hope that people split their tickets at least.  I am most afraid of Democrats controlling everything, which seems very possible as well.   

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  25. Buckpasser Member
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    With apologizes to those who think differently, but it still comes down to a binary election.  Come November either Trump will still be President or AOC/Omar/BLM/Antifa will be President.  Biden is simply the “Not Trump” stand in.  Them’s the choices.

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    My take on what you are saying is that the key to a valid and effective election is for the voters to have knowledge and understanding of what is at stake. We probably have close to the worst of all possible scenarios from both the candidate and the electorate to accomplish an outcome that fulfills that requirement.

    That was a plus for Trump’s press conference yesterday: he let people know what a disaster Biden would be by referring to Biden’s own plan. That was well done.

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  27. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Suspira (View Comment):

    Here in Alabama, former attorney general Jeff Sessions just went down in defeat to former college football coach Tommy Tuberville. Tubby will face Senator Doug Jones (Fluke-AL) in November.

    I don’t know how that’s going to go. The power of incumbency has always been really strong here. The devil you know, and all that. I voted for Sessions because he is experienced and knows how to campaign and how to legislate. And he’s the devil I know. But he made one colossal mistake that doomed his political fortunes. No, it wasn’t recusing himself, which arguably was the right thing to do. It was getting on the Trump Train early and blowing its horn too much and too enthusiastically.

    Trump, who values loyalty from his supporters, but has none to give, tenaciously and ungraciously held a white-hot grudge against Sessions and never let up on him. Too bad for Jeff, but I guess your sins really do find you out.

    As for Tubby, I liked him a lot as a coach (War Eagle!), but I haven’t the slightest idea what he’ll do in the Senate, other than pledge fealty to Trump. I’ll vote for him, of course.

    I helped elect Jones last time. I hated doing it, but Roy Moore had to be kept out of office. If Jones is re-elected, I’ll get my just deserts, I guess. My sins will have found me out. Kyrie eleison.

    I think Jeff Sessions is and was great.  I didn’t like it when he became the first Senator to endorse Trump in the primaries.  But I was happy when Trump, once elected, nominated Sessions to be Attorney General.  

    Like you mentioned, our sins do come back to haunt us all.

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  28. Nerina Bellinger Inactive
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    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    I totally agree. But he’s the last man standing.

    I don’t like him. I think he’s totally failed on a lot of things, and succeeded on some. He’s a big spender. He’s an even bigger talker.

    But then there’s Biden and the people pulling his strings, and the hell they threaten to unleash on a daily basis.

    Go Trump!

     

    This x 1000 (though, I’ve come to appreciate Trump more but at the same time I understand Susan’s reaction too – I actually think he does best at his rallies).    

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  29. Brian Clendinen Inactive
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    I have said this before on this site. Trump is actually a great speaker, when he is not talking about himself (even when he is off the cuff and not following a speech). However his narcissism seems to kick in every 5 to 10 mins. So its to much of a roller coaster of cringe to enjoying his speech, that I can’t listen to him.

    I either will leave the President section blank or vote for him. Most likely vote for him because a populist socialist is better than having a large communist cogent  in the executive and judicial branch. Plus we don’t need more federal judges who only rule based on the politics of the issue. Which is how all Obama judges rule at all levels rules. They will rule against themselves in case with almost the same facts, if the persons background changes therefore the politics.

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  30. EHerring Coolidge
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    I like the optics of him in the shade, hostile media sitting in the sun, and him getting a free campaign ad.

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