Jack and Mary and Fred and Portland: The American Magic of Vaudeville

 

I’ll admit right out of the gate that I’ve been on a bit of a nostalgia kick lately, something that can probably be blamed on not having seen home since January, and having been in lockdown alone since March. Things may have occasionally come to the ‘rocking out to metal songs sung by Christopher Lee about Charlemagne at 11 pm while washing dishes in llama pajamas’ point of solitary living. Maybe. Either way, when I’m not working or doing something useful, I find myself more and more seeking out the comfortingly old fashioned. It should be acknowledged that most of the cultural products I associate with nostalgia aren’t ‘personally nostalgic’ for me, in the sense that I had or have a contemporary connection (only post-1999 things could be such). One of the biggest parts of this recent obsession has been old radio comedians, mostly Jack Benny and Fred Allen.

Readers of a certain age will probably have at least some memory of Benny, who dominated radio and television from the ‘30s almost until his death in 1974. My mother absolutely and completely despises him, and threatens homicide if I listen to his ‘40s broadcasts in the car, so he played no great role in my early life. Allen, meanwhile, is a largely forgotten figure, mentioned, if at all, as a “comedian’s comedian” and witty satirist who failed to make the transition to television, a contrast to his arch-nemesis. I could, I think rightfully, laud their comedy chops, their innovativeness, and their lasting impact on American popular culture. These certainly all deserve praise, but what has struck me most in listening to and watching their performances in the last few weeks is who they were and who they became. 

Jack Benny was in fact Benjamin Kubelsky, the son of Eastern European Jewish immigrant business owners in the suburbs of Chicago. Allen, meanwhile, was really John F. Sullivan, a Massachusetts-born son of Irish Catholic parents who came of age in a deeply dysfunctional and shattered family, something George Burns identified as a common denominator among his generation of comedians (he noted his best friend, Benny, as a rare exception to this pattern). Both men, then, came from groups that were often regarded with hostility in more than one quarter, and Allen suffered the additional handicap of poverty and early experiences with family tragedy. By all rights, they should have expected modest success in life at best, but Vaudeville put them on an entirely new path. 

By the time that Benny and Allen entered the Vaudeville circuit (roughly the same time, sharing a birth year), it was well established and well known. Neither man began as a comedian, the Waukegan native was initially one half of a serious piano and violin act, while his counterpart from Cambridge was a monologist who juggled. Through a series of act changes and nearly endless movement around the country, both began careers on radio, and became enduringly successful in that medium. Vaudeville was the perfect stepping stone, a way for people to come into contact with living difference, as well as enjoy live entertainment. And it forced a two-way method of assimilation. The performers, many of whom hailed from immigrant or minority religious roots, had to shape their performances to the tastes of their audiences, while the same audiences came face to face with the very human (and talented) members of groups which they may have despised. For others, seeing these entertainers may have been the first time they saw people of their background in positions of prominence, or gaining widespread acceptance and fame. 

Of course, Vaudeville was far from perfect. Racism was rampant, and minority (especially black) performers often found themselves paid less than their white colleagues, denied lodging or the chance to bring their acts to the best venues, and made the butt of harmful stereotypes. Benny and Allen’s use of stereotypes shows just how conscious both men were of the line between the humorous and the pernicious, undoubtedly influenced in some part by their own experiences with discrimination. Allen’s Alley was a popular part of the comedian’s radio program, populated by a cast of caricatured men and women (heavily accented Jewish housewife Mrs. Nussbaum, bellicose Southern senator Beauregard Claghorn, and stoic Northern farmer Titus Moody among others), but “the warmth and good humor with which they were presented made them acceptable even to the most sensitive listeners.” 

Rochester, Benny’s famously gravel-voiced valet, was never subservient and often outsmarted his vain and penny-pinching boss but as the ‘40s wore on, Benny insisted on dropping the more offensive stereotypical parts of the character’s makeup (his womanizing, frequent drunkenness, gambling, etc). When a skit in one radio broadcast involved Rochester punching his employer at his behest, and a plethora of Southern stations cut off the show for the offense to the white race, Benny labeled the complaint absurd and refused to apologize. His own character (for the Jack Benny of sound and screen in very few ways represented the real man) did not rely on common negative perceptions of Jewish thrift, but was consciously all-American and areligious. 

We rightfully celebrate civil rights leaders, educational campaigners, and activists of all stripes for their efforts to bring more equal opportunity to the American experience, but I think that Vaudeville and a lot of its progeny deserve a share of the glory too. (And we as conservatives can, of course, appreciate that this sprang out of a non-governmental, capitalist enterprise). Often without intending to, they conveyed to everyday Americans that differences in race, religion, and tradition, within a solid civic framework, were not going to produce the ‘downfall of the white race’ or anarchy, but brought much-needed vitality, diversity, and humor to their country. Fred Allen was an open, devout Catholic, unashamed of his beliefs, and thus showed the skeptical that “paptists” could also be pretty great comedians and relatable people (something I, as a Massachusetts-born Catholic, am grateful for). His boxing partner Benny, meanwhile, was an example for the children of all immigrants of the promise of America, that hardwork and dedication really could make good. What better, and more enjoyable, expression of the American ideal is there than that? 

*If you’re looking for a place to start, this appearance of Allen on Benny’s television show is great fun.

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  1. JosePluma Coolidge
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    My favorite Jack Benny line:  “I’m thinking about it!  I’m thinking about it!”

    Still, Jack Benny gave me one of the most horrifying memories from my childhood.

    On his TV show in the sixties, he stood in front of a curtain and started introducing a lion tamer.  He went on and on about how great this guy was.   From behind the curtain, there was the continuous sound of a lion roaring.  Mr. Benny has the curtain raised to reveal . . . A lion chewing on a human leg with a calf-length boot attached to it.

    I was about eight years old at the time.

    I wonder sometimes if that’s he reason I’ve got such a sick sense of humor.

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

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  4. KirkianWanderer Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Benny comes across as a gentle, intelligent, talented man and supremely loving friend, husband, and father,

    I think that’s one of the reasons I love his work. He played a peevish, idle, vain man with limited self-awareness you couldn’t dislike – partly because he was as harmless as a housefly, but also because there was some ineffable quality he brought to the role that kept him from being the sum of his flaws.

    It’s interesting that we only see him through the radio shows, and don’t factor in the movies. You can’t get a clear read on the radio shows without understanding the big-screen side of his public persona. To make it even more modern, the radio shows refer to the movies, since the Jack Benny of the Radio is the Jack Benny of the Movies – but even then, the movie career is seen as a reflection of Jack’s vanity. I don’t know how many gags they wrung out of his colossal misfire “The Horn Blows at Midnight.”

    When he moved to TV, the radio shows addressed the new medium with the same tone, the same backstage before-the-show setups, the same Benny spirit of sublime, offhand confidence. It’s quite the body of work: in the majority of his shows, he plays a character, who now and then plays a different character who does not exist in the world where there is a Jack Benny everyone knows. For all that, everyone felt they knew him, and liked him – and they were probably right.

    I’m sure his daughter says something to this effect in their joint memoir, but I think his fundamental goodness as a person shone through the character of Jack Benny. And it helped that, and I really wish I could remember the interview this came from, he based the character (as it evolved) on the kind of ‘familiar uncle’, someone most families had and could feel equal affection for and exasperation with. The name changes these performers did always fascinate me, in the sense of what they illuminate about the separation between stage persona and the actual person. For example, most of George Burn’s close friends called him Natty, a reference to his given Yiddish name, and Jack, while generous by nature, was even more so because he was afraid that people in real life would think him to be just like his character. And apparently Mary had some horrible fear of being made to feel like Sadie Marks all over again when they moved to Hollywood, because she wished to be as high and mighty as the daughters of established film moguls, not the daughter of a Vancouver Jewish scrap dealer. She seems to have suffered the most grief in reconciling those double identifies because after a point she never wanted to be anything but Mary Livingstone.

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    JosePluma (View Comment):

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    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

    I think that gave me nightmares, ugh. So does the image of middle aged to elderly Bob Hope trying to seduce nubile young models on USO Tours, although Jack Frost was pretty great revenge on Dolores’ part. 

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    If anyone ever wanted a taste of Benny working blue, you can find a five minute audio clip of him at a roast for Harry Joe Brown here. It doesn’t really qualify as R rated by today’s standards, or even in comparison to the tape someone has posted of Milton Berle for the same event (which, considering all of the stories there are about Uncle Miltie and his endowment, doesn’t surprise me in the least).

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

    I think that gave me nightmares, ugh. So does the image of middle aged to elderly Bob Hope trying to seduce nubile young models on USO Tours, although Jack Frost was pretty great revenge on Dolores’ part.

    Hope seemed to want to expand out from his basic comic persona of the womanizing coward that was locked in place from the Paramount films, especially those with Bing — “The Seven Little Foys” and “Beau James” were his two mid-50s bio pics where he tried to stretch his limits, and really they aren’t bad. But they’re also apparently not what the audiences of the day wanted from Bob Hope, and from that time period on he seems to more be going through the motions of what worked (though his NBC shows were still decent through the early 60s).

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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

    I think that gave me nightmares, ugh. So does the image of middle aged to elderly Bob Hope trying to seduce nubile young models on USO Tours, although Jack Frost was pretty great revenge on Dolores’ part.

    Hope seemed to want to expand out from his basic comic persona of the womanizing coward that was locked in place from the Paramount films, especially those with Bing — “The Seven Little Foys” and “Beau James” were his two mid-50s bio pics where he tried to stretch his limits, and really they aren’t bad. But they’re also apparently not what the audiences of the day wanted from Bob Hope, and from that time period on he seems to more be going through the motions of what worked (though his NBC shows were still decent through the early 60s).

    I’ve seen a couple of his appearances on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson from the ’70s and ’80s, and very little that he said was funny or very interesting, he seemed to struggle without writers (although apparently he sometimes even brought cue cards there). The only time he was mildly amusing was in combination with other guests, like Dean Martin or George Gobel, but even then they were the ones pulling most of the comedic/conversational weight. 

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    JosePluma (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

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    Percival (View Comment):

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    his humor is more dated than the others.

    Or, as @roblong says, “Bob Hope in a hippie wig.”

    Apparently that wasn’t his first time cosplaying as a hippie. To be fair, Jack Benny seemed to relish any opportunity to do drag.

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    In his prime Bob Hope was at the very top of his game. In fact, Woody Allen has confessed on several occasions that he outright stole Hope’s character when performing in his early comedies.

    Shameless Plug®: Tonight’s “Saturday Night Radio” features “The Burns and Allen Show” with special guest Frank Sinatra. 

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Apparently that wasn’t his first time cosplaying as a hippie. To be fair, Jack Benny seemed to relish any opportunity to do drag.

    Jack normally didn’t do his filmed shows in the 1950s in front of a live audience because of Mary’s mike fright — they’d be shot single camera with gaps left in for the canned laughter to replace the live audience reaction. But there were a couple of Mary-less shows where Jack borrowed the “I Love Lucy” sound stage because he wanted a live audience response, including the episode with George Burns, where he substituted for Gracie Allen:

     

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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    Apparently that wasn’t his first time cosplaying as a hippie. To be fair, Jack Benny seemed to relish any opportunity to do drag.

    Jack normally didn’t do his filmed shows in the 1950s in front of a live audience because of Mary’s mike fright — they’d be shot single camera with gaps left in for the canned laughter to replace the live audience reaction. But there were a couple of Mary-less shows where Jack borrowed the “I Love Lucy” sound stage because he wanted a live audience response, including the episode with George Burns, where he substituted for Gracie Allen:

    There’s a fun story behind the clothing Jack is wearing in that episode. According to George Burns, Jack took Gracie’s role (and her make-up) quite a few times after she retired for live performances they did together, but the first time they did that act was at a charity dinner. Harry Cohn, president of Columbia Pictures at the time, got in on the scheme and had the studio’s costume department do him up to the nines in advance, including dressing him in a black sequined suit worn by Rita Hayworth in Gilda. Jack hung onto it, and George insisted for the rest of his life that it was his favorite outfit.

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    You guys are giving a great course right now. I’m learning a LOT.

    My experience with Benny, Allen et al is limited due to my rabid Marxism, a philosophy based on Groucho and the boys. Maybe the funniest human being ever created.

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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Both of Allen’s books, Much Ado About Me and Treadmill to Oblivion are in the public domain and available for download. I would also highly recommend Sunday Nights at Seven, Jack’s unfinished autobiography that was augmented and published by his daughter, Joan.

    Fred was a workaholic who oversaw the writing of everything he did and sweated out the details to the last piece of punctuation. And his health suffered for it. If he had one failure in broadcasting it was his inability to gauge how much laughter a joke would get and often his shows would run long and be cut off abruptly. This led to a protracted war with network executives.

    ”There is a vice-president of NBC,” he said, “whose sole job is to cut off programs at the end. When he cuts off enough to total two weeks he’s allowed to take a vacation.” NBC cut him off, or in the terminology of the time, faded him. It made national headlines. J. Walter Thompson, the ad agency representing Allen’s sponsor, demanded the :35 of dead-air be prorated back to them.

    In the following weeks, in a show of solidarity, Bob Hope and Red Skelton were faded for joking about it. Finally, under a barrage of criticism, NBC threw in the towel. But it was speculated at the time that the network’s heavy handedness helped CBS in their talent raids of the late ‘40s.

    In sports they often talk about a “coaching tree.” If there’s an American comedy tree, the folks like Allen and Benny who populated vaudeville and then radio may not be the roots, but they are most certainly the trunk – thick and sturdy. Unfortunately the folks in the upper branches today have no idea how they got to the heights they did.

    A favorite old expression: “If I have seen further, it is because I stood upon the shoulders of giants.”

     

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    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    You guys are giving a great course right now. I’m learning a LOT.

    My experience with Benny, Allen et al is limited due to my rabid Marxism, a philosophy based on Groucho and the boys. Maybe the funniest human being ever created.

    I’m so glad you’re enjoying it, I very nearly didn’t post this piece at all because I didn’t think there would be an audience for it.

    If you’re looking for more to watch/places to learn:

    -An excellent documentary done by PBS about the radio comedians of the ’30s and ’40s, with interviews from Benny and Burns among others.

    -George Burn’s book All My Best Friends chronicles the professional and personal exploits (mainly) of his vaudeville companions Benny, Cantor, Jessel, and Jolson.

    This archive contains more than 100 Fred Allen shows from the run of his time on the radio, including guests like Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby.

    -An hour long televised “love letter” from the ’80s to Benny from George Burns, Johnny Carson, and Bob Hope. Has a lot of great clips from his radio and tv show.

    -CBS’s tribute to Benny, produced right after his death, has many fascinating interviews with colleagues and footage of his funeral/the eulogy given by Bob Hope.

    -An episode of Allen’s failed tv show, Judge for Yourself.

    -A wonderful collection of Allen’s letters (he was prolific and had many interesting correspondents), first complied by his wife.

    Allen’s appearance on Benny’s show shortly before his death, they end where he ad libs is very fun.

    -An interview done with Benny on the death of Allen, in which he talks about their friendship and Allen’s work.

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

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    Both of Allen’s books, Much Ado About Me and Treadmill to Oblivion are in the public domain and available for download. I would also highly recommend Sunday Nights at Seven, Jack’s unfinished autobiography that was augmented and published by his daughter, Joan.

    Fred was a workaholic who oversaw the writing of everything he did and sweated out the details to the last piece of punctuation. And his health suffered for it. If he had one failure in broadcasting it was his inability to gauge how much laughter a joke would get and often his shows would run long and be cut off abruptly. This led to a protracted war with network executives.

    ”There is a vice-president of NBC,” he said, “whose sole job is to cut off programs at the end. When he cuts off enough to total two weeks he’s allowed to take a vacation.” NBC cut him off, or in the terminology of the time, faded him. It made national headlines. J. Walter Thompson, the ad agency representing Allen’s sponsor, demanded the :35 of dead-air be prorated back to them.

    In the following weeks, in a show of solidarity, Bob Hope and Red Skelton were faded for joking about it. Finally, under a barrage of criticism, NBC threw in the towel. But it was speculated at the time that the network’s heavy handedness helped CBS in their talent raids of the late ‘40s.

    In sports they often talk about a “coaching tree.” If there’s an American comedy tree, the folks like Allen and Benny who populated vaudeville and then radio may not be the roots, but they are most certainly the trunk – thick and sturdy. Unfortunately the folks in the upper branches today have no idea how they got to the heights they did.

    Not many of them can bring the funny the way the vaudevillians could. Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy, W. C. Fields, Harold Lloyd, the Marx Brothers, Milton Berle: all of them had developed their timing in front of live audiences in theaters all over the country. Both film and radio had talent on which to draw as they started up.

    I always feel a little guilty because I could never find Bob Hope (not listed here, but normally lumped in with the vaudeville set) funny. Something about his style, I guess, just failed to jive with my sense of humor, and while I could appreciate him sometimes in combination with others overall he leaves me cold. Gilbert Gottfried has a running joke about him on his excellent podcast, and Dolores’ revenge in the form of a very undignified Jack Frost skit in his dotage. If Bob messed around as much as rumor had it, I can’t say I blame her.

    Now, now.  You don’t want to get “cancelled” over this.  You mean jibe, or gibe.

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    I don’t know how many gags they wrung out of his colossal misfire “The Horn Blows at Midnight.”

    Every one of those gags was well deserved. Saw that movie on TMC some years back. Wow, that was a stinker.

    You probably mean TCM (Turner Classic Movies) not TMC (The Movie Channel, which may no longer exist).

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):

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    I started watching Benny’s TV show on You Tube. The Christmas episode in the department store that ends with a gunshot is a stunner.

    If you like podcasts, there’s one called This Day in Jack Benny that’s great. They release every Wednesday a Benny radio show from the corollary date in his original run, with a short intro to explain some of the more obscure references and gags.

    There used to be an evening radio program in Los Angeles that played 1940s radio programs. It was on at 9PM  but I don’t recall which nights.

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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    I don’t know how many gags they wrung out of his colossal misfire “The Horn Blows at Midnight.”

    Every one of those gags was well deserved. Saw that movie on TMC some years back. Wow, that was a stinker.

    You probably mean TCM (Turner Classic Movies) not TMC (The Movie Channel, which may no longer exist).

    Typo, yes.

     

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    When I saw this thread in the list, the part about “The American Magic of Vaudeville” was not visible.  So I was expecting – hoping for – another good bashing of Portland, Oregon, somehow related to “Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.”  But it was not to be.

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    I started watching Benny’s TV show on You Tube. The Christmas episode in the department store that ends with a gunshot is a stunner.

    If you like podcasts, there’s one called This Day in Jack Benny that’s great. They release every Wednesday a Benny radio show from the corollary date in his original run, with a short intro to explain some of the more obscure references and gags.

    There used to be an evening radio program in Los Angeles that played 1940s radio programs. It was on at 9PM but I don’t recall which nights.

    Sounds like the OTR program that @jameslileks posted about.

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    KirkianWanderer (View Comment):
    I’m so glad you’re enjoying it, I very nearly didn’t post this piece at all because I didn’t think there would be an audience for it.

    I listened to those shows when I was a kid and remember Fred Allen more than Jack Benny on radio.  I also listened to Fibber Magee and Molly and the radio version of Amos and Andy. Our black nursemaid loved Amos and Andy.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    When I saw this thread in the list, the part about “The American Magic of Vaudeville” was not visible. So I was expecting – hoping for – another good bashing of Portland, Oregon, somehow related to “Bob and Carol and Ted and Alice.” But it was not to be.

    The title for the post was a take on that movie, but I’m nowhere near clever enough to relate it to the CHAZ. 

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    Performers of that era allowed, even encouraged, the blurring of the public persona and the private individual. There was “Jack Benny” and then there was Jack Benny, two totally distinct people occupying the same body and the same name. 

    After years of being introduced as “Fibber McGee and Molly starring Jim and Marion Jordan” they eventually just stopped using their real names in public. And while Gracie always called her husband George in public, at home he was Nat or Nattie. (Real name Nathan Birnbaum.)

    As for the comments about Bob Hope, his broadcast work was definitely “of the moment.” If his motion picture work was a drink it would be a mellow wine and the broadcast monologues are a glass of milk – best not consumed when left out on the counter for more than 2 hours. If there’s a point about his latter TV days he probably shouldn’t be forgiven for was Brooke Shields. If not for his specials she would have faded away long ago. 

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    EJHill (View Comment):
    If there’s a point about his latter TV days he probably shouldn’t be forgiven for was Brooke Shields. If not for his specials she would have faded away long ago. 

    Reminds me of an episode of the series Supernatural where some kind of time-demon prevented the sinking of the Titanic because he never wanted to hear Celine Dion sing about it and become famous for it.

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    When I’m driving around, I listen to channel 148 on Sirius/XM, the OTR channel.  The drama and police programs are mostly listenable, allowing for their age (but I do kind of hate the organ intro/outro bits on some of them).  

    On the other hand I find none of the comedy shows funny, except for Jack Benny.  It’s always the same but it’s virtually timeless.

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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    When I’m driving around, I listen to channel 148 on Sirius/XM, the OTR channel. The drama and police programs are mostly listenable, allowing for their age (but I do kind of hate the organ intro/outro bits on some of them).

    On the other hand I find none of the comedy shows funny, except for Jack Benny. It’s always the same but it’s virtually timeless.

    Wasn’t @jameslileks posting that OTR is on the way out?  Or was that only for his local NPR station?

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    When I’m driving around, I listen to channel 148 on Sirius/XM, the OTR channel. The drama and police programs are mostly listenable, allowing for their age (but I do kind of hate the organ intro/outro bits on some of them).

    On the other hand I find none of the comedy shows funny, except for Jack Benny. It’s always the same but it’s virtually timeless.

    Wasn’t @jameslileks posting that OTR is on the way out? Or was that only for his local NPR station?

    That was a local program where actors did old scripts live.  Somebody speculated that the satellite OTR might get put into somebody’s sights soon.

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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    On the other hand I find none of the comedy shows funny, except for Jack Benny. It’s always the same but it’s virtually timeless.

    I’m crazy about Bob and Ray.  As others have written, they were the ancestors of Monty Python, Gilda Radner’s Emily Litella, Woody Allen, and Bob Newhart. I’d add Jonathan Winters and the comedy of “Best in Show” and “A Mighty Wind”

    I just found this from a Dennis Drabell on the web:

    Though American to the core, Bob and Ray practiced what is widely regarded as a specialty of British humor: deadpan silliness. Take an example from their faux-show “John J. Agony’s Bad Will Hour.” A guest being interviewed starts out by saying, “I came to the city six-months ago with my life savings in a pillow case. . . .” “Hold on!” interrupts John J. Agony. “Let me see if I have your story straight to this point.”

    We also love George and Gracie and Fibber McGee and Molly.

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