Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Voter Fraud? Never Happens…

 

…except when it does. From the Washington Times article:

DeMuro fraudulently stuffed the ballot box by literally standing in a voting booth and voting over and over, as fast as he could, while he thought the coast was clear.

Being a pessimist by nature, I have to believe that they only caught one perpetrator, and that there are many, many more who never got caught.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
    Percival Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It is unpossible! There was a study in Kansas or somewhere that said it just isn’t a realistic concern!

    • #1
    • May 21, 2020, at 2:21 PM PDT
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  2. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
    Misthiocracy got drunk and Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Hypothesis: The problem with the Democratic Party is that it’s too often wedded to an all-or-nothing approach to any issue. They are seemingly incapable of ever saying, “yes this is a problem, but we have to look at costs vs. benefits when it comes to solutions.”

    In the case of a problem like COVID-19, they therefore take the “if it saves just one life it’s justified” approach. i.e. They choose “all”.

    In the case of a problem like voter fraud, they pretend that the problem doesn’t even exist. i.e. They choose “nothing”.

    Voter fraud is like any other crime in that it’s impossible to eliminate entirely, so clearly there must be some theoretical limit to how many resources you allocate to stamping it out, which means there must logically be some theoretical level of voter fraud that is tolerable. After all, if an election is only legitimate if there is zero voter fraud it virtually means that no election in history has ever been legitimate.

    Now, this isn’t to say that Republicans never fall prey to the “all-or-nothing” ethos, or that there’s aren’t factions within the Republican coalition that are more prone to it than others, but I think it’s entirely arguable that it’s been an institutional leitmotif of Democratic Party rhetoric since at least the Great Society. Republicans seem far more willing to seek out middle ground (often to the party’s detriment).

    • #2
    • May 21, 2020, at 2:34 PM PDT
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  3. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
    Misthiocracy got drunk and Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Hypothesis #2: If you want Democrats and the media to take voter fraud seriously, Republicans will have to start committing voter fraud.

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    • May 21, 2020, at 2:43 PM PDT
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  4. Flicker Coolidge

    Voting by mail mailing out — whatever it it — 25% more ballots than are registered (or legal) voters is so much easier than furtively standing at a voting machine and pressing button after button. Or, for that matter, going through the effort (and risk) of faking voters showing up at a polling stations with Republican judges keeping even half an eye on what you’re doing.

    Just collect the ballots before they’re mailed out, sit with friends in your living room filling out thousands of ballots and then “harvesting” them in. It’s like a Superbowl party with Joe Bidet quarterbacking your favorite team. Six friends enjoying the evening and the repartee. Chablis flowing, and Hillary-themed drinking games. Two dozen pens on the coffee table so that each signature doesn’t match every other. Good times.

    • #4
    • May 21, 2020, at 2:43 PM PDT
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  5. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    “It never happens” means don’t bother investigating, and if you did that you wouldn’t find these things then you too could pretend it never happens.

    • #5
    • May 21, 2020, at 3:11 PM PDT
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  6. Hoyacon Member

    Democratic résponse: Well, if we had mail in voting, there’d be no ballot boxes to stuff!

    • #6
    • May 21, 2020, at 3:50 PM PDT
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  7. Bob Wainwright Member

    It sounds like the kind of old fashioned voting booth where you go in, pull the curtains and pull the lever… I didn’t think they even made those any more. Where I vote, you’re handed a paper card, and stand in an open booth and darken circles on the card for your vote, then leave the booth, stand in line again to insert your paper card into a reading machine. No way to vote twice. I guess if you’re an election official you could find a way to fill out multiple cards though. 

    Election fraud like that should be a capital offense. I can’t see how it’s different from espionage or treason in terms of its seriousness. 

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    • May 21, 2020, at 4:12 PM PDT
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  8. Old Bathos Moderator

    Helps to explain Philly’s fantastic turnout figures.

    • #8
    • May 21, 2020, at 4:41 PM PDT
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  9. Rapporteur Coolidge
    Rapporteur

    Bob Wainwright (View Comment):

    […] Election fraud like that should be a capital offense. I can’t see how it’s different from espionage or treason in terms of its seriousness.

    The first (preferably public) execution would also go a long way towards discouraging future incidents.

    • #9
    • May 21, 2020, at 6:25 PM PDT
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  10. kedavis Member

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Voting by mail mailing out — whatever it it — 25% more ballots than are registered (or legal) voters is so much easier than furtively standing at a voting machine and pressing button after button. Or, for that matter, going through the effort (and risk) of faking voters showing up at a polling stations with Republican judges keeping even half an eye on what you’re doing.

    Just collect the ballots before they’re mailed out, sit with friends in your living room filling out thousands of ballots and then “harvesting” them in. It’s like a Superbowl party with Joe Bidet quarterbacking your favorite team. Six friends enjoying the evening and the repartee. Chablis flowing, and Hillary-themed drinking games. Two dozen pens on the coffee table so that each signature doesn’t match every other. Good times.

    Love it!

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    • May 21, 2020, at 7:25 PM PDT
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  11. kedavis Member

    The biggest problem with vote fraud is when they refuse to look for it, and then, having found none, insist that it doesn’t exist.

    • #11
    • May 21, 2020, at 7:27 PM PDT
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  12. Bob Wainwright Member

    Rapporteur (View Comment):

    Bob Wainwright (View Comment):

    […] Election fraud like that should be a capital offense. I can’t see how it’s different from espionage or treason in terms of its seriousness.

    The first (preferably public) execution would also go a long way towards discouraging future incidents.

    Not necessarily for the homeless or mentally ill people they recruit to vote twice or whatever. But this guy was an election official who was paid to do it. So for him and whoever paid him, I say off with their heads. 

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    • May 21, 2020, at 7:37 PM PDT
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  13. Old Bathos Moderator

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The biggest problem with vote fraud is when they refuse to look for it, and then, having found none, insist that it doesn’t exist.

    You might notice there are sometimes prosecutions of Democrats for cheating in primaries but almost never in general elections. Investigating the latter would be “voter suppression.”

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    • May 21, 2020, at 7:41 PM PDT
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  14. kedavis Member

    Bob Wainwright (View Comment):

    Rapporteur (View Comment):

    Bob Wainwright (View Comment):

    […] Election fraud like that should be a capital offense. I can’t see how it’s different from espionage or treason in terms of its seriousness.

    The first (preferably public) execution would also go a long way towards discouraging future incidents.

    Not necessarily for the homeless or mentally ill people they recruit to vote twice or whatever. But this guy was an election official who was paid to do it. So for him and whoever paid him, I say off with their heads.

    My suspicion is that they don’t usually bother to get homeless etc people to actually vote. They just “harvest” their mail-in ballots. Which are often found in the trash outside such facilities, so it’s a simple thing.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 4:15 AM PDT
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  15. John Park Member

    Re # 3, in Alabama, in the 1990s and early 2000s, the fraud came from white folks in Winston County and African-Americans in Greene County.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 6:32 AM PDT
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  16. PHenry Member

    Non citizens, deceased persons, and multiple ballot votes are not a problem, it just doesn’t ever happen. 

    But Russia buying a few thousand dollars of ads on Facebook is a serious concern for our election validity! Why, some rube might see that ad and vote the wrong way! 

     

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    • May 22, 2020, at 9:09 AM PDT
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  17. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Misthiocracy got drunk and (View Comment):
    Voter fraud is like any other crime in that it’s impossible to eliminate entirely, so clearly there must be some theoretical limit to how many resources you allocate to stamping it out, which means there must logically be some theoretical level of voter fraud that is tolerable. After all, if an election is only legitimate if there is zero voter fraud it virtually means that no election in history has ever been legitimate.

    Legitimate vote (promotes the People’s true interest, therefore cannot be fraudulent) = for Prog agenda/Democrat

    Illegitimate vote (always undemocratic and therefore always in reality fraudulent whatever the fascist law says) = hostile to interests of the People = against Prog agenda/for Republican

     . . .if non-citizens are not counted as part of the population, you’re left with “a whiter, more Republican voting base.”

    “You can eliminate anyone who is not a citizen, meaning someone who’s a resident [alien], a green card holder or undocumented,” [Stacey Abrams] said. “What you’re left with then, in the United States today, is that 50% of the population under the age of 18, er sorry, under the age of 15 is communities of color.”

    As for stereotyping, the Democrat equates white people to being Republican.

    “If you remove them from the calculation, then what that means is that you create a whiter, and therefore more Republican voting base,” Abrams explained. “And under the constitution, if they are not counted as part of the population you are not committing discrimination if you don’t include them in the drawing of those lines.”

    “Which means a school board that ‎has a predominantly Latino population in ‎Arizona, but the number of those kids are ‎undocumented or their families are, they’re now no longer able to elect anyone ‎who represents them because of the way ‎the lines are drawn,” she added.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 12:49 PM PDT
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  18. OccupantCDN Coolidge

    From the NY Post Dec 14, 2016:

    Republican state Sen. Patrick Colbeck called the probe a good start on the suspicious results turned up in Detroit, which Hillary Clinton won with 95 percent of the vote.

    The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.

    “There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, told the paper.

    The partial statewide recount that ended Friday by court order did not change Donald Trump’s victory in Michigan, which he won by more than 10,000 votes. The fresh tally of 2.1 million ballots turned up a net difference of 102 more votes for Clinton.

    Article

    Hillary was so confident in victory that she under stuffed the ballot boxes.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 5:50 PM PDT
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  19. Old Bathos Moderator

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    From the NY Post Dec 14, 2016:

    Republican state Sen. Patrick Colbeck called the probe a good start on the suspicious results turned up in Detroit, which Hillary Clinton won with 95 percent of the vote.

    The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.

    “There’s always going to be small problems to some degree, but we didn’t expect the degree of problem we saw in Detroit. This isn’t normal,” Krista Haroutunian, chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers, told the paper.

    The partial statewide recount that ended Friday by court order did not change Donald Trump’s victory in Michigan, which he won by more than 10,000 votes. The fresh tally of 2.1 million ballots turned up a net difference of 102 more votes for Clinton.

    Article

    Hillary was so confident in victory that she under stuffed the ballot boxes.

    You have to give the Dems credit for coming out 102 votes ahead in the recount since the obviously suspect precincts were excluded by the courts. It was actually far more brazen than the Al Franken Recount miracle or the old traditional Necro-American turnout in Baltimore cemeteries.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 5:57 PM PDT
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  20. The Reticulator Member

    I wonder if they’re as sure there is no voter fraud as they are that HCQ is bad for you. Have they done double-blind, placebo-controlled studies? 

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    • May 22, 2020, at 7:31 PM PDT
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  21. Rapporteur Coolidge
    Rapporteur

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    . . .if non-citizens are not counted as part of the population, you’re left with “a whiter, more Republican voting base.”

    “You can eliminate anyone who is not a citizen, meaning someone who’s a resident [alien], a green card holder or undocumented,” [Stacey Abrams] said. “What you’re left with then, in the United States today, is that 50% of the population under the age of 18, er sorry, under the age of 15 is communities of color.”

    As for stereotyping, the Democrat equates white people to being Republican.

    “If you remove them from the calculation, then what that means is that you create a whiter, and therefore more Republican voting base,” Abrams explained. “And under the constitution, if they are not counted as part of the population you are not committing discrimination if you don’t include them in the drawing of those lines.”

    “Which means a school board that ‎has a predominantly Latino population in ‎Arizona, but the number of those kids are ‎undocumented or their families are, they’re now no longer able to elect anyone ‎who represents them because of the way ‎the lines are drawn,” she added.

    I’ve watched that clip at least three times, and I still have no [CoC] idea what she’s trying to say.

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    • May 22, 2020, at 8:42 PM PDT
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  22. Iguanadon Coolidge

    I have worked elections for over 20 years as a volunteer, from being a clerk to a field inspector. Ballots are given one at a time, one can’t stuff the ballot box. Many vote by mail here and that works well. Concerns of significant voter fraud are unfounded, based on my experience. 

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    • May 23, 2020, at 1:42 PM PDT
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  23. Old Bathos Moderator

    Iguanadon (View Comment):

    I have worked elections for over 20 years as a volunteer, from being a clerk to a field inspector. Ballots are given one at a time, one can’t stuff the ballot box. Many vote by mail here and that works well. Concerns of significant voter fraud are unfounded, based on my experience.

    I don’t think there is cheating in my suburban county either. I think the vast majority of Americans paid or volunteer pol workers are decent civic-minded folks.
    However, I do not have similar confidence in New Orleans, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia or the “vote harvesters” of California. Honest jurisdictions generally come up with identical or nearly-identical numbers in a recount. They do not find boxes of ballots in warehouses or falling off the truck (Seattle) or continually increasing totals for one side in each recount (Minneapolis) or lots of dubious registrations (Milwaukee). Or tens of thousands of deceased or non-resident voters (Detroit) still on the rolls, which invites mischief.
    Democrats want to increase the opportunity for cheating. Weaker registration requirements and all ballots physically outside the polling station is an open invitation for fraud.

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    • May 23, 2020, at 2:59 PM PDT
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  24. kedavis Member

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Iguanadon (View Comment):

    I have worked elections for over 20 years as a volunteer, from being a clerk to a field inspector. Ballots are given one at a time, one can’t stuff the ballot box. Many vote by mail here and that works well. Concerns of significant voter fraud are unfounded, based on my experience.

    I don’t think there is cheating in my suburban county either. I think the vast majority of Americans paid or volunteer pol workers are decent civic-minded folks.
    However, I do not have similar confidence in New Orleans, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia or the “vote harvesters” of California. Honest jurisdictions generally come up with identical or nearly-identical numbers in a recount. They do not find boxes of ballots in warehouses or falling off the truck (Seattle) or continually increasing totals for one side in each recount (Minneapolis) or lots of dubious registrations (Milwaukee). Or tens of thousands of deceased or non-resident voters (Detroit) still on the rolls, which invites mischief.
    Democrats want to increase the opportunity for cheating. Weaker registration requirements and all ballots physically outside the polling station is an open invitation for fraud.

    And a poll worker even in a known-corrupt area may have seen no “evidence” of fraud, but they’re relying on registrations that may have been fraudulent before poll workers even see them.

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    • May 24, 2020, at 10:37 PM PDT
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