We need shut-down metrics next time, not just open up metrics

 

I get that when the current situation was getting underway we had little information to go on, so most people in government panicked at the thought of hospitals getting overwhelmed. We had to “flatten the curve” so they shut down just about everything, everywhere. Now they’re slowly opening things back up in stages based on metrics such as declining hospitalizations for 14 straight days.

But now we know more, and it turns out that running out of hospital beds didn’t happen. It was a concern only in the New York City area and maybe a couple of other places, for a little while. If anything, hospitals are empty because of stopping most other treatments. Maybe all the shutdowns helped, but we don’t actually know that. Some places didn’t shut down and did ok.

If something like this happens again, I suggest we don’t shut down everything everywhere all at once. We use metrics such as a steady decrease in available hospital beds so that running out might actually happen. We do this at the county level, not even the state level, because of how localized the hotspots were. It’s the shutdowns that need to be justified in stages, not the re-openings.

I suspect many people would voluntarily go back to masks and distancing and working from home if they could. We don’t need the blunt instrument of government disrupting our lives because of something someone said might happen.

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  1. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Weeping (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

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    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    I am glad to see this:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/21/donald-trump-we-are-not-closing-the-country-if-hit-by-second-wave-of-coronavirus/

    I totally agree with Trump that we shouldn’t so massive lockdowns again if a second wave of infections should materialize. I’m glad he went on record opposing the idea. But Trump didn’t close things down this time – the governors and local governments did. Can he keep them from doing it again if they choose to do so?

    We should not have done a nationwide shutdown in the first place. It should have been determined by conditions on the ground and at the county level. We live in a very big diverse country. New York City, Washington DC rules should not apply to Kentucky or Alaska. I am miffed at my President for being sucked into this liberal Democrat trap. Mainly since it seems designed to get them elected and for them to steal and implement their progressive policies. It may be that Trump has doomed us.

    The actual shutdowns were done on state or local levels, not on a national one. I think the governor of South Dakota never issued one for her state. As for encouraging or endorsing them, I think Trump was caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place – at least at the beginning when things were so unsure. If he wasn’t seen as being supportive of the governors’ attempts to protect their citizens and the recommendations his experts were suggesting – things that might have proven useful -and things wound up being as bad as some were predicting, he would have been crucified. See how bad things have gotten? If Trump had only listened to what everyone was telling him. I think Trump’s initial instincts were right, but he had no way of knowing whether they were or not when decisions were first being made. I wish he had changed directions a bit earlier than he did, but I don’t fault him for making those initial decisions.

    As for your last sentence, I’m hoping and praying that when November rolls around, people will remember exactly who wanted to keep them locked up – and it wasn’t Trump.

    What they will remember is a trashed economy, no jobs, and Trump in charge.  I suspect there is a good chance that Trump and GOP will be swept out with everything that will bring.

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  2. Instugator Thatcher
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    We should not have done a nationwide shutdown in the first place. 

    It is a good thing we didn’t have a national shutdown.

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  3. cdor Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    I am glad to see this:

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/21/donald-trump-we-are-not-closing-the-country-if-hit-by-second-wave-of-coronavirus/

    I totally agree with Trump that we shouldn’t so massive lockdowns again if a second wave of infections should materialize. I’m glad he went on record opposing the idea. But Trump didn’t close things down this time – the governors and local governments did. Can he keep them from doing it again if they choose to do so?

    We should not have done a nationwide shutdown in the first place. It should have been determined by conditions on the ground and at the county level. We live in a very big diverse country. New York City, Washington DC rules should not apply to Kentucky or Alaska. I am miffed at my President for being sucked into this liberal Democrat trap. Mainly since it seems designed to get them elected and for them to steal and implement their progressive policies. It may be that Trump has doomed us.

    The actual shutdowns were done on state or local levels, not on a national one. I think the governor of South Dakota never issued one for her state. As for encouraging or endorsing them, I think Trump was caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place – at least at the beginning when things were so unsure. If he wasn’t seen as being supportive of the governors’ attempts to protect their citizens and the recommendations his experts were suggesting – things that might have proven useful -and things wound up being as bad as some were predicting, he would have been crucified. See how bad things have gotten? If Trump had only listened to what everyone was telling him. I think Trump’s initial instincts were right, but he had no way of knowing whether they were or not when decisions were first being made. I wish he had changed directions a bit earlier than he did, but I don’t fault him for making those initial decisions.

    As for your last sentence, I’m hoping and praying that when November rolls around, people will remember exactly who wanted to keep them locked up – and it wasn’t Trump.

    What they will remember is a trashed economy, no jobs, and Trump in charge. I suspect there is a good chance that Trump and GOP will be swept out with everything that will bring.

    Whenever I am feeling down in the dumps, the first thing I do is log on to Ricochet and look for my buddy Fake John to cheer me up. Thanks!

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