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The tough get going. The State of Israel came into existence in such a situation of extreme crisis that responding to a crisis is second nature to it. Here are two good examples of such.

Israeli Medical Volunteers Release Ventilator Blueprints Using Off-the-shelf Parts

An Israeli volunteer group released blueprints for ventilators made from commercially available components, and the Israel division of Medtronic released its proprietary ventilator blueprints for free.

Israeli Hospital Pilots Virus-neutralizing Sticker for Masks to Combat Corona

In bid to protect medical staff during coronavirus outbreak, Galilee Medical Center pilots a facemask sticker to catch and kill virus nanoparticles.

Remember, now is not the time either to assign blame or give credit. Now is the time to rise to the occasion and kill this evil virus before it kills us.

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  1. Saint Augustine Member

    James Gawron:

    Remember, now is not the time either to assign blame or give credit. Now is the time to rise to the occasion and kill this evil virus before it kills us.

    Amen.

    But I do tend to think the economic collapse is likely to kill more. Of course, killing the virus in a hurry is a good way to get the economy going again. This stuff is complicated.

    But I do wish we had more measures pro-economy or anti-virus that didn’t compromise the other priority.

    E.g., USA government could relax its going-to-work guidelines for people wearing a mask. There are masks being made in massive numbers now in the USA. (I’m not at all convinced @iwe‘s advice to quarantine at-risk populations and keep everyone else working would not have been a much better approach, though I have now concluded iWe’s optimism about coronavirus being less bad than regular flu was incorrect.)

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  2. James Gawron Thatcher
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    James Gawron:

    Remember, now is not the time either to assign blame or give credit. Now is the time to rise to the occasion and kill this evil virus before it kills us.

    Amen.

    But I do tend to think the economic collapse is likely to kill more. Of course, killing the virus in a hurry is a good way to get the economy going again. This stuff is complicated.

    But I do wish we had more measures pro-economy or anti-virus that didn’t compromise the other priority.

    E.g., USA government could relax its going-to-work guidelines for people wearing a mask. There are masks being made in massive numbers now in the USA. (I’m not at all convinced @iwe‘s advice to quarantine at-risk populations and keep everyone else working would not have been a much better approach, though I have now concluded iWe’s optimism about coronavirus being less bad than regular flu was incorrect.)

    Aug,

    I mentioned this in another post. We must match epidemiological statistics with epidemiological statistics. If people are simply delayed from working for a short time this may not have too many negative side effects. However, if the length of time destroys their job itself, this can be devastating.

    I need a statistic relating the number of permanent job losses to suicide. I don’t care if this seems brutal we must make the case in the strongest terms. I have no doubt the insurance industry has these figures. Everyone must grasp that killing the economy kills people too.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  3. Saint Augustine Member

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Aug,

    I mentioned this in another post. We must match epidemiological statistics with epidemiological statistics. If people are simply delayed from working for a short time this may not have too many negative side effects. However, if the length of time destroys their job itself, this can be devastating.

    I need a statistic relating the number of permanent job losses to suicide. I don’t care if this seems brutal we must make the case in the strongest terms. I have no doubt the insurance industry has these figures. Everyone must grasp that killing the economy kills people too.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Right on, right on.

    The anecdotes on the suicides have begun. The statistics exist. Shapiro’s been calling for them.

    I’m aware of two large efforts in Pakistan to feed the poor who are literally banned from working right now. I would imagine the government has some efforts to feed some of them, but an evangelism ministry and a local Catholic church in Lahore have been filling in gaps.

    I hope no one’s being missed. I hope these efforts can last. The economic catastrophe we’re dealing with could mean deaths by starvation in the thousands otherwise.

    Worth it to fight a Spanish flu? Maybe. I don’t have the numbers. Is this virus as bad as a Spanish flu? Maybe. I don’t have the numbers.

    Meanwhile, I wish we could do a lot more going to the office with masks and targeted quarantining of at-risk folks.

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  4. RushBabe49 Thatcher

    I’m in a high-risk group (70 years old) and I want to go back to work!

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    James Gawron: Remember, now is not the time either to assign blame or give credit. Now is the time to rise to the occasion and kill this evil virus before it kills us.

    No, now is the time to impeach Trump. That is basically what this has been set up for in the states.

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  6. jonb60173 Member

    I don’t get it, I understand there are high risk groups for all of bad illnesses, and mostly these are the elderly with diabetes. The fatality rate of Covid 19 seems to fall within the rates of those maladies. So why is dying by Covid 19 worse than the flu, pneumonia etc?

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  7. OldPhil Coolidge

    The State of Israel came into existence in such a situation of extreme crisis

    I’m just now reading Israel: A History by Martin Gilbert. Those people were such badasses, it puts to shame some of what’s been going on here for the last couple of months.

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  8. MISTER BITCOIN Member

    My neighbor asked me who will be the first to create a covid 19 vaccine.

    I said Gilead or a biotech in Israel

     

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  9. Saint Augustine Member

    MISTER BITCOIN (View Comment):

    My neighbor asked me who will be the first to create a covid 19 vaccine.

    I said Gilead or a biotech in Israel

    A scientist at a university in Hong Kong had one months ago.

    But the first to get one tested and ready to put in a lot of humans–yeah, I have no idea.

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  10. Saint Augustine Member

    Redundancy.

    I say again, redundancy!

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