The Fall of Michelle Malkin

 

At an alt-right conference running counter to CPAC, called AFPAC, conservative commentator Michelle Malkin fell further down the rabbit-hole:

In this short clip Malkin engages in not just Holocaust denial, but also indiscriminately throws around charges of dual loyalty. It’s part of a trend for Malkin, who also endorsed anti-Semite Paul Nehlen in his contest against Rep. Paul Ryan.

In her opening remarks, Malkin referred to herself as the “Mommy” of the group and thanked the “Groypers,” the alt-right group hosting her, for pushing back against mainstream conservatives.

It’s hard to overstate Malkin’s influence in the conservative media ecosystem; she is the founder of HotAir, Twitchy, and was a mentor to many up-and-comers over the course of her time at the helm of both.

And because of Malkin’s influence, we (as a conservative movement) need to self-reflect about how reflective Malkin’s views are of our movement as a whole. Has Malkin always questioned the number of Jews who died in the Holocaust? Has Malkin always considered Jews to be agents of the Israeli government? How mainstream are the views she’s professing now in the conservative movement? They are uncomfortable questions, but ones we need to be asking as we continue to (rightly) call out the anti-Semitism on the Left with Omar, Tlaib, etc.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So it turns out that this event is in support of Nick Fuentes’s group, America First.

    I’m not sure what to think about Fuentes. From the little that I’ve seen, he’s very young, occasionally crude, and quite trollish. He’s gotten himself tarred as an anti-Semite over some veiled reference to questioning the extent of the Holocaust, and over a comment about Ben Shapiro while commenting on one of those violent run-people-over-with-your-car video games. I’m not convinced that Fuentes is actually an anti-Semite. He may be, or maybe not.

    I know next to nothing about Fuentes, which is why I’m going to tread lightly with him specifically.  But I will take a more general guess as to why the O/P has been greeted with a degree of skepticism.  The audience is a group of people who are no strangers to implied and expressed accusations of bigotry for the views that they hold–much, most, or all of it undeserved.  It’s understandable that accusations drawing conclusions of this nature would be questioned.

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  2. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel: In this short clip Malkin engages in not just Holocaust denial, but also indiscriminately throws around charges of dual loyalty. It’s part of a trend for Malkin, who also endorsed anti-Semite Paul Nehlen in his contest against Rep. Paul Ryan.

    Watched the clip. It is inaccurate to say that she engaged in “Holocaust Denial” as the Holocaust isn’t mentioned.

    Nor did she “indiscriminately” throw around charges of dual loyalty. The only mention of dual loyalty was a rhetorical one that used as an example people operating as foreign agents.

    Do better Bethany.

    You’re right, Instugator, but I’m going to go further.

    I’m calling out Bethany. Bethany, you are throwing around false charges of anti-Semitism. You are blatantly mischaracterizing what Malkin said. You are lying, Bethany.

    The irony is astonishing. Malkin is speaking out about false charges of anti-Semitism, and Bethany responds with . . . false charges of anti-Semitism.

    These are the tactics of the radical Left.

    Exactly.

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  3. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel: In this short clip Malkin engages in not just Holocaust denial, but also indiscriminately throws around charges of dual loyalty. It’s part of a trend for Malkin, who also endorsed anti-Semite Paul Nehlen in his contest against Rep. Paul Ryan.

    Watched the clip. It is inaccurate to say that she engaged in “Holocaust Denial” as the Holocaust isn’t mentioned.

    Nor did she “indiscriminately” throw around charges of dual loyalty. The only mention of dual loyalty was a rhetorical one that used as an example people operating as foreign agents.

    Do better Bethany.

    You’re right, Instugator, but I’m going to go further.

    I’m calling out Bethany. Bethany, you are throwing around false charges of anti-Semitism. You are blatantly mischaracterizing what Malkin said. You are lying, Bethany.

    The irony is astonishing. Malkin is speaking out about false charges of anti-Semitism, and Bethany responds with . . . false charges of anti-Semitism.

    These are the tactics of the radical Left.

    Exactly.

    Fantastic comment by Arizona Patriot. I listened to whole speech because I’m pedantic. I think that Bethany Mandel was a bit unfair by showing the one clip that made her sound like a bigot. She does have a very strong belief that Latinos cannot be convinced into a Republican or conservative party. That doesn’t mean she thinks that Latinos are inferior people that aren’t loved by G-d but I get that some folks will have beef with that. That ain’t the same as being a racist.

    That being said, I’m uncomfortable with alot of the people on the stage as well as her constant accusation that anyone that doesn’t agree with her is being paid off. Can’t Charlie Kirk simply be wrong about the most important issues?

    Some of her stuff is worrisome but she deserves to be presumed not an anti-semite until their is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

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  4. RyanFalcone Member
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    With all due respect to the OP, I think the OP is precisely the type of hyper-sensitivity that Malkin is railing against. I didn’t hear anything bad in these comments.

    Yet, I do think we need to be vigilant in finding hate within our ranks. There are some, associated with that conference who have been too careless with statements regarding the jews. 

    I can see a worthwhile discussion being warranted with MM and Jewish conservatives on what exactly she is trying to say with these comments. However, just jumping immediatley to the anti-semite card is as bad as anti-semitism itself. I think that is Malkin’s point. 

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  5. drlorentz Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    That being said, I’m uncomfortable with alot of the people on the stage as well as her constant accusation that anyone that doesn’t agree with her is being paid off. Can’t Charlie Kirk simply be wrong about the most important issues?

    The trouble is that Kirk and fellow travelers have engaged in the kind of smearing and name-calling that we see in the OP. It’s not simply a matter of Kirk being right or wrong. When challenged, Kirk’s response has been to cry “racism” and all the other -isms. Mrs Malkin was responding to that, not to Charlie Kirk’s views.

    The most notable example is when Kirk was challenged months ago about his “we should staple a Green Card to every foreign student’s diploma” [going from memory], an idea he got from Joe Biden of all people. One can agree or disagree with that policy but Kirk resorted to a different response, as outlined above.

    I guess that makes Tucker Carlson a racist too.

     

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  6. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I watched the video, Bethany, and I didn’t come away with your conclusions. I’m especially concerned because the clip, posted out of context, is easy to misunderstand. Malkin can be over the top, but I wouldn’t have understood the video as you did.

    It would have been useful to have a link to the whole speech to put her remarks in context. Using a 45-second snippet out of a, presumably longer, speech is misleading at best, especially when there is over-interpretation of those scant 45 seconds. Yet we see the immediate piling-on in the first comments.

    This is adopting Twitter-quality thinking, reasoning, and evidence. Indeed, the OP is little more that a Twitter-length discussion plus a couple of re-tweets. That’s a fall worth discussing.

    The OP also looks like cancel culture creeping in to Ricochet.

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  7. Bethany Mandel Coolidge
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    Malkin is speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial, and she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII. She can’t even say Holocaust. I’m not sure how she can get more explicit. Yes, it is anti-Semitic to deny that millions died in the Holocaust. I’m sorry she finds it frustrating that you can’t openly question how many without being called an anti-Semite. 

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  8. Instugator Thatcher
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):
    she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII. She can’t even say Holocaust.

    How do you know she was referring to the Holocaust?

    Sorry, assertions not in evidence in the video you chose to post.

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  9. Hoyacon Member
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):

    Malkin is speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial, and she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII. She can’t even say Holocaust. I’m not sure how she can get more explicit. Yes, it is anti-Semitic to deny that millions died in the Holocaust. I’m sorry she finds it frustrating that you can’t openly question how many without being called an anti-Semite.

    I was hoping that there would be some engagement here.  That’s a good thing and thanks.

    A couple of suggestions: support your comments in the O/P that have been questioned (there are several good ones above) and support the allegations made immediately above–by sentence.  I know it’s not easy, but you hold a responsible position here and making naked allegations (“speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial”) isn’t enough in a site that deals in substance.

    Give it a try.

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  10. Instugator Thatcher
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):
    Yes, it is anti-Semitic to deny that millions died in the Holocaust.

    Sure, I would agree that if someone put the number of people who died in the concentration camps as less than a million, that would be anti-semitic.

    But as @jager points out in #20, how many millions is your limit?

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  11. Stina Member
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):
    Malkin is speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial, and she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII.

    Get back to us when you, in good faith, do the journalist thing and show up to an event and talk to the real people there (not the caricatures posted by media heads on Twitter).

    So far, all I see is people reacting in bad faith to you tube videos.

    I follow quite a few personalities at that shin dig. Some might color outside the lines of acceptable discourse, but shouting anti-semite doesn’t convince people you are morally superior.

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  12. drlorentz Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Get back to us when you, in good faith, do the journalist thing and show up to an event and talk to the real people there (not the caricatures posted by media heads on Twitter).

    “Journalism” today has devolved to reading tweets and retweeting. Nothing in-depth is required; nothing more than a 45-second video clip to reach sweeping conclusions. People are paid to do this? There was more effort put into many of the comments than there was in the OP.

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  13. Stina Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    follow quite a few personalities at that shin dig. Some might color outside the lines of acceptable discourse, but shouting anti-semite doesn’t convince people you are morally superior.

    Just to add – a lot of the holocaust denial that does exist in this area (as well as moon landing denial, and other bizarre claims that I’m not certain are serious or ironically supported in cynicism) is partly due to the post-modernist view of what on earth is TRUTH?

    A lot of them are very young and have not made it out of the education system yet (college students). Fuentes just turned 21. All they know is that their teachers have been lying to them about a lot of stuff and they have seen through experience some of the lies while others can’t be verified by living because they are historical artifacts.

    They dig up research, find conflicting reports with little documentation. They see claims that sound like the same lies they got in school.

    They have no faith in certifications, credentials, or mainstream “truth”, whatever that is. They do know government isn’t trustworthy. So why not question what the government has been telling us?

    These aren’t stupid kids – immature, yes. Unsophisticated, sure. Definitely lacking in wisdom. But they are digging and searching for truth in a post-truth age.

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  14. Skyler Coolidge
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):

    Malkin is speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial, and she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII. She can’t even say Holocaust. I’m not sure how she can get more explicit. Yes, it is anti-Semitic to deny that millions died in the Holocaust. I’m sorry she finds it frustrating that you can’t openly question how many without being called an anti-Semite.

    I’m sorry, but she said “world war II.”  Are we going to require specific words be used?  What version of NewSpeak dictionary do we buy today?  Has the old one expired?  I’m not going to give one second of credence to complaints about saying that people died in WWII and not in the politically correct term, the “Holocaust.”  I’m tired of people trying to control my speech.  Her meaning was clear, and she was referring to the millions of people killed by the Nazis in horrific camps, a significant portion of which were Jews (oooh, am I allowed to say that?).

    Racism and anti-semitism have been defined to be so broad and the standard for being labeled racist or anti-semitic is so low, that the terms are now meaningless.  I don’t care if you call someone racist anymore because I’m told that just because I am caucasian (according to some) that I am racist and there’s nothing I can do to change that assessment, I will always be racist because of my race (the irony is lost on the accusers).  The same goes with anti-semitism.  If you say anything bad about Israel, you must be anti-semitic.  Though I know Marines who were attacked by Israeli jets and tanks back in the 80’s. Jonathan Pollack is a traitor who spied on us for the Israelis.  Israel might be a convenient friend recently, but they aren’t always.  Israel and Judaism are not the same thing.  One is a political body, the other is a religion, and they are not co-equal.

    I won’t be censored and I won’t censor others for not using the correct Newspeak vocabulary.  If that’s all you’ve got, then you’ve got nothing.

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    As Derb says, whenyou make some speech off limits, you drive people to the extreme people who break the taboo. 

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Would also, for perspective, suggest some reading at the site of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance

     

     

     

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  17. Instugator Thatcher
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    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):
    Malkin is speaking to a group of anti-Semites who regularly traffic in Holocaust denial, and she’s complaining that people have deemed it anti-Semitic to question the number who have perished in WWII.

    I guess it really isn’t bearing false witness when you talk broadly about people who you can’t know and accuse them of despicable things.

     

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  18. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Here‘s the link to the text of Michelle Malkin’s speech. I liked the speech. Her criticisms of CPAC are  valid. That doesn’t mean that CPAC has no place.

    Here’s a quote.

    The numbers, the exit polls, the stubbornly unmalleable voting preferences of the majority of amnestied and naturalized citizens, plus birthright citizenship beneficiaries in every major ethnic block all lead to one irrefutable reality. Mass migration isn’t just turning California and Virginia and Texas blue. It’s turning all of America blue and every American should be seeing red about it. This nation under God will be majority minority by 2045. And when I launched my book tour for Open Borders Incorporated in September, the immediate response from the Soros monkeys was that I was anti-Semitic for trafficking in the Great Replacement Theory that was also believed by the Tree of Life Synagogue shooter.

    Already right out of the gate, before I even knew who Nick Fuentes was, before I knew who Groypers were, I was being tarred as an anti-Semite. It’s become a useless, meaningless term and everybody knows it. And that’s why they’re so desperate to tar all of us as that.

    It’s anti-Semitic to mention George Soros’s billions. It’s anti-Semitic to criticize the Anti-Defamation League. It’s anti-Semitic to question whatever the precise number is of people who perished in World War II. It is anti-Semitic for me, being married to a 100% Ashkenazi Jew, to question dual loyalties of people who are working here as agents of a foreign country.

    Oh, and it is an unacceptably anti-Semitic to point out the rank hypocrisy of people who are fiercely protective of an ethno-state and an immigration enforcement system that works–who turn around and call those of us who believe, whatever our backgrounds are, who only have one homeland that they’ve ever known, to call us– what is it now?–“white majoritarianism” I believe is the term.” That’s me. Thank you.

    That last paragraph is a good one; that’s why I put it in bold. What she says about immigration is even better. RTWT.

    Her concerns are existential. And valid. She’s pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. How rude. OK, ban her from CPAC. I liked her speech then, too, but I can see how maybe she was a buzzkill for TPTB. It’s a private group, why not.But the emperor is still nekkid.

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  19. Stina Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Here‘s the link to the text of Michelle Malkin’s speech. I liked the speech. Her criticisms of CPAC are valid. That doesn’t mean that CPAC has no place.

    Here’s a quote.

    The numbers, the exit polls, the stubbornly unmalleable voting preferences of the majority of amnestied and naturalized citizens, plus birthright citizenship beneficiaries in every major ethnic block all lead to one irrefutable reality. Mass migration isn’t just turning California and Virginia and Texas blue. It’s turning all of America blue and every American should be seeing red about it. This nation under God will be majority minority by 2045. And when I launched my book tour for Open Borders Incorporated in September, the immediate response from the Soros monkeys was that I was anti-Semitic for trafficking in the Great Replacement Theory that was also believed by the Tree of Life Synagogue shooter.

    Already right out of the gate, before I even knew who Nick Fuentes was, before I knew who Groypers were, I was being tarred as an anti-Semite. It’s become a useless, meaningless term and everybody knows it. And that’s why they’re so desperate to tar all of us as that.

    It’s anti-Semitic to mention George Soros’s billions. It’s anti-Semitic to criticize the Anti-Defamation League. It’s anti-Semitic to question whatever the precise number is of people who perished in World War II. It is anti-Semitic for me, being married to a 100% Ashkenazi Jew, to question dual loyalties of people who are working here as agents of a foreign country.

    Oh, and it is an unacceptably anti-Semitic to point out the rank hypocrisy of people who are fiercely protective of an ethno-state and an immigration enforcement system that works–who turn around and call those of us who believe, whatever our backgrounds are, who only have one homeland that they’ve ever known, to call us– what is it now?–“white majoritarianism” I believe is the term.” That’s me. Thank you.

    That last paragraph is a good one; that’s why I put it in bold. What she says about immigration is even better. RTWT.

    Her concerns are existential. And valid. She’s pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. How rude. OK, ban her from CPAC. I liked her speech then, too, but I can see how maybe she was a buzzkill for TPTB. It’s a private group, why not.But the emperor is still nekkid.

    Not surprised to find out I’m an anti-Semite, too.

    I figured I was right around the time I voiced the no good, very bad opinion that I thought Holocaust Remembrance was to prevent such genocide against any people.

    Good to have it finally verified.

    (BTW, if that’s what makes me an anti-Semite, I’m not ashamed)

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  20. Ansonia Member
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    I want to hear the UCLA speech she mentions.

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  21. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Yeah, shes devolved a little on her immigration thing, and apparently Fuentes Youtube channel got deleted.  But by the sound of it, its just activists and kids being silly.

    Watching Hunters right now and its fairly topical it seems.  

     

     

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  22. drlorentz Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Would also, for perspective, suggest some reading at the site of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance

    Based on that site’s guidance, I’m revising my spelling of antisemitism versus the one that seems to be more common in these environs: anti-Semitism. The latter spelling always struck me as clunky.

    Unfortunately, the page most relevant to the discussion at hand, Working Definition of Holocaust Distortion and Denial returns a page not found error.

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  23. Architectus Coolidge
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    Bethany Mandel: It’s hard to overstate Malkin’s influence in the conservative media ecosystem; she is the founder of HotAir, Twitchy, and was a mentor to many up-and-comers over the course of her time at the helm of both.

    That is very true.  And that time in the trenches, dedicated to advancing the conservative cause and supporting our country, should have earned her at least some benefit of the doubt.  It seems to me that she is still trying mentor even today, giving an impassioned speech (to some young and maybe not-so-disciplined up-and-comers?) about the dangers of unchecked immigration, trying to engage others on what is, arguably, the most important issue in domestic politics today.  What’s that they say about a prophet?

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  24. rgbact Inactive
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    Hard to tell how many people showed up for this Malkin conference. She lists many conservative allies…..but the only speakers were Fuentes, Scott Greer (who used to write for a Richard Spencer site) and Patrick Casey, leader of Identity Europa, which is a group that supports America being a white ethnostate. So, Fuentes was hardly the outlier loon in Malkin’s new band of buddies. Its great to see Trumpism devolving to this gross level.

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  25. drlorentz Member
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    apparently Fuentes Youtube channel got deleted

    This seems especially apt under the circumstances.

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  26. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    As others have pointed out, Bethany needs to be specific. Where did MM mention a number of Jewish people killed in the Holocaust.

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  27. Zafar Member
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    drlorentz (View Comment):

    Unfortunately, the page most relevant to the discussion at hand, Working Definition of Holocaust Distortion and Denial returns a page not found error

    From IHRA

    On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:

    Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

    “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

    To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

    Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

    Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

    • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

    • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

    • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

    • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

    • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

    • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

    • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

    • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

    • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

    • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

       

    The wording isn’t always clear or neutral, some examples seem to be mission creep, but there it is.

    Predictably, it and its use are contested. By a number of people or organisations.

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  28. Zafar Member
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    Also – is it possible to be hard on the issue but soft on the person?  People see things differently depending on their place in the world; that doesn’t automatically make them right but it should make their sincere perceptions more understandable and relatable.

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  29. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Some observations:

    The number of abortions in the US since Roe vs Wade is pretty close to the number of immigrants to the US since Teddy Kennedy’s immigration bill passed; with chain migration the number of immigrants is certainly greater.

    The demographic changes brought about by immigration are a major driver of the Corbynization of the Democrat Party. (Anti-Americanism in education is another.)

    Charges of antisemitism are frequently leveled by Jews (usually left wing Jews, but Jews claiming the authority of identity and the authority of the Holocaust; “Because the German Jews on the St Louis were turned away from the US in 1939, you have to support open borders now. If you don’t, you’re an antisemite.”

    You’ll find people on the “alt-right” (or at least classified by others as such; please define your terms, @bethanymandel) who support Israel being a Jewish state which controls its borders and immigration… and think the US should do likewise.

    Basically if you oppose the Total Transformation of the US and/or oppose Israel being forced into a non-survivable agreement you’re an antisemite.

     

     

     

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  30. drlorentz Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    From IHRA

    On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:

    Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

     

    Yes, I saw that. It is not, however the topic I  mentioned: the definition of Holocaust denial. That is the broken link and that is the basis for the charge of antisemitism. The page you quoted merely refers back to Holocaust denial, which is the definition that’s relevant.

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