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Bill Barr Interview with NBC's Pete WilliamsThis is one of the interviews Bill Barr did that got so much criticism from the Dems and the liberal press. As for me, it has restored my faith in the justice system. No. That’s still a bit too strong. Let me just say it makes me cautiously optimistic that Justice will ultimately be done.

Horowitz did a great job uncovering much of the corruption at the FBI. No. Let me rephrase that as well. Horowitz did a great job confirming and thoroughly documenting what a myriad of both professional and independent citizen journalists had previously uncovered by crowdsourcing and sharing their research in the Twitter community. But Horowitz left many of us terribly frustrated when he refused to connect the dots and identify bias as the source of the FBI malfeasance. Horowitz counted every tree but missed the fact that there was a forest there.

Bill Barr has made it clear that, while determining motivation may not have fallen within the purview of Mr. Horowitz, that sort of determination is solidly within the purview of Mr. Durham.

Barr also mentions the Intelligence Community several times in this interview, leading me to believe that the role the IC played in this charade, which was totally ignored by Horowitz, will finally be addressed when Durham completes his work sometime around the middle of next year.

It is obvious to me why the Democrats and the mainstream press have resorted to a desperate campaign of character assassination against both Durham and Barr, but it’s too late for that. They can’t stop what’s coming.

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  1. Spin Coolidge
    Spin Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    JesseMcVay: and the liberal press.

    As long as you are rephrasing….say rather “the illiberal press.”

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:08 AM PST
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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor

    I am comforted to know that Barr knew before he took the job he would get a huge amount of abuse. In one interview, he almost seemed to relish the challenge. I think that’s why he’s speaking so candidly and forcefully. And I love it.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:08 AM PST
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  3. Spin Coolidge
    Spin Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    JesseMcVay: will finally be addressed when Mr Durham completes his work sometime around the middle of next year.

    See this is why I think the Senate wants to get through impeachment ASAP as possible. So that when the Durham report comes out, it will be both a vindication of not unseating a duly elected President, but it will be mud to through at the Democrats just ahead of the election.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:09 AM PST
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  4. A-Squared Inactive

    JesseMcVay: Barr also mentions the Intelligence Community several times in this interview, leading me to believe that the role the IC played in this charade, which was totally ignored by Mr. Horowitz

    In fairness to Horowitz, his mandate precludes him from analyzing the role the broader IC played. Andy McCarthy makes the case that Brennan played a very active role in pushing the Steele dossier. If I had to bet, I would say Brennan is going to find himself mentioned heavily (and critically) in the Durham report, and we will learn much more about the origins of the investigation from Durham than we have from the FBI IG

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:16 AM PST
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  5. Spin Coolidge
    Spin Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: Barr also mentions the Intelligence Community several times in this interview, leading me to believe that the role the IC played in this charade, which was totally ignored by Mr. Horowitz

    In fairness to Horowitz, his mandate precludes him from analyzing the role the broader IC played. Andy McCarthy makes the case that Brennan played a very active role in pushing the Steele dossier. If I had to bet, I would say Brennan is going to find himself mentioned heavily (and critically) in the Durham report, and we will learn much more about the origins of the investigation from Durham than we have from the FBI IG

    Right. We should be careful criticizing Horowitz. His report is valid, and satisfying. But his work had a particular scope. Durham’s work has a broader scope.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:20 AM PST
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  6. Franco Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: will finally be addressed when Mr Durham completes his work sometime around the middle of next year.

    See this is why I think the Senate wants to get through impeachment ASAP as possible. So that when the Durham report comes out, it will be both a vindication of not unseating a duly elected President, but it will be mud to through at the Democrats just ahead of the election.

    I’m closer to believing that too many GOP contacts and Senators would be exposed as playing in the Ukrainian sandbox. Lindsey Graham being one of them.

    Stepping back a bit… Paul Manafort has been in GOP politics for decades. Graham and McCain have been deeply involved. The game was so lucrative even Sloe-Joe Biden got into the act ( and of course, he’s the one they caught). He was protected because everyone was involved.

    The game was to send Ukraine money and make them hire connected consultants with the dollars, plus whatever else they could horn-in on.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:38 AM PST
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  7. EDISONPARKS Member
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    I did wonder if my bias was causing me to take in and comprehend the FBI/DOJ/IC/MSM involvement in the all encompassing HRC server investigation, Trump/Russia collusion related FBI investigations, and Mueller sham investigation, with the understanding that the Obama Admin and holdovers were/are thoroughly corrupt.

    Barr has affirmed my instincts were right on, and I am not losing my mind.

    If you get your information from the MSM you are still in the dark howling at the moon.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:43 AM PST
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  8. colleenb Member
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    Both Bill Barr and Sidney Powell are great attorneys and patriots. Durham sounds like he is doing a good job. Agree that Horowitz did what he could do as an IG. My only quibble with him is I think I would have said over and over that I could only investigate so far or get cooperation so far, etc to emphasize his limitations.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 7:44 AM PST
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  9. A-Squared Inactive

    I just finished this. One of the tests I apply whenever I hear someone speak is whether they would be saying the same thing if the letters next to the names of the people being discussed were reversed.

    So, in this, I asked myself how this conversation would go if it was a Republican administration using the techniques involved to spy on a Democratic Presidential candidate. It seems clear to me that the interviewer would be outraged at the abuse of power, yet he seems genuinely shocked that people are outraged at this particular abuse of power. On the other hand, I would think AG Barr would be saying the exact same things he says here.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 7:53 AM PST
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  10. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    Barr has proven to be the Indispensable Man of the Trump Administration. As a long time GOP Establishment figure he knows the bureaucracy, the politics, and the people but, unlike much of that Establishment, he was unwilling to sit by and let Trump hang in the wind. It takes a lot of saavy and fortitude to do what Barr is doing. He’s not looking for his next job, clearly does not care if he isn’t invited to DC dinner parties, and not intimidated by the NY Times and WaPo, unlike many other professional GOPers.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 8:14 AM PST
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  11. Spin Coolidge
    Spin Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Franco (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: will finally be addressed when Mr Durham completes his work sometime around the middle of next year.

    See this is why I think the Senate wants to get through impeachment ASAP as possible. So that when the Durham report comes out, it will be both a vindication of not unseating a duly elected President, but it will be mud to through at the Democrats just ahead of the election.

    I’m closer to believing that too many GOP contacts and Senators would be exposed as playing in the Ukrainian sandbox. Lindsey Graham being one of them.

    Stepping back a bit… Paul Manafort has been in GOP politics for decades. Graham and McCain have been deeply involved. The game was so lucrative even Sloe-Joe Biden got into the act ( and of course, he’s the one they caught). He was protected because everyone was involved.

    The game was to send Ukraine money and make them hire connected consultants with the dollars, plus whatever else they could horn-in on.

    Again, show me the evidence.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 8:23 AM PST
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  12. Fritz Member

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

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    • December 13, 2019, at 10:22 AM PST
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  13. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

    I just watched a Fox Business interview with Sydney Powell and she stated US Attorney Durham will either issue indictments or say nothing.

    There is no “report” with a Federal criminal prosecution, other than what is written in any criminal indictments and the ensuing litigation which is made available to the public(ie: there could be redacted classified information).

    …. Of course I’m not an attorney, I just like to play the know it all legal guy in the Ricochet comments sections, so you are wise to take my faux legal expertise with a grain of salt.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 10:38 AM PST
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  14. Front Seat Cat Member

    The Democrats opened the whole big can of worms when they did not accept the nomination of Trump, then his victory. If they had let it go and gotten on with getting things done for their constituents, it might be different. The same with Biden – he had a good run, go out with some dignity and do some tours, write a book and enjoy life with your family and be satisfied with your accomplishments. He opened a can of worms for himself and his family. Now more sludge is seeping out than we ever could have imagined in these last three years – and quite frankly, our country is better for it. It’s the only way lies and corruption can be dealt with.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 10:45 AM PST
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  15. A-Squared Inactive

    Fritz (View Comment):

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

    FWIW, Barr is asked if he anticipates Durham issuing a report in the interview above. I don’t remember Barr exact response but I think he said that has not had that conversation with Durham and would not expect to until Durham is much further along. 

    Barr also said that things will probably not “accelerate” (or some word like that) until late spring / early summer. 

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    • December 13, 2019, at 11:00 AM PST
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  16. Spin Coolidge
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    Fritz (View Comment):

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

    Did you watch the interview? The usual process will be followed. There might also be a report. But Barr is leaving that up to Durham. He said “We haven’t discussed it.”

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    • December 13, 2019, at 11:54 AM PST
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  17. Sweezle Member

    The press will continue to try to discredit Barr. And lie about the Horowitz Report. Even Durham’s investigation will get ignored or misrepresented by the MSM. Thankfully we all have other outlets & resources to follow this story.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 12:53 PM PST
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  18. Bob Thompson Member

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I am comforted to know that Barr knew before he took the job he would get a huge amount of abuse. In one interview, he almost seemed to relish the challenge. I think that’s why he’s speaking so candidly and forcefully. And I love it.

    It’s very possible that Barr understood going in that Rod Rosenstein was in the wrong camp and that Jeff Sessions had been maneuvered into a position from which he could do nothing. That would make Barr’s position with respect to justice and ‘rule of law’ synonymous with Trump’s for governing the country, namely a view that ‘there is something terribly wrong and somebody has to do something to fix it’.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 1:25 PM PST
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  19. Bob Thompson Member

    Judging by Comey’s continued reaction to Horowitz’s findings, we are truly fortunate that Comey and others were removed when they were. Just think how much damage could have been done considering his view that all that went on was just fine, no misdeeds. And it looks as if the FBI was in a mode of staffing headquarters leadership and senior staff with others of the same delusional ilk. 

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    • December 13, 2019, at 1:32 PM PST
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  20. ToryWarWriter Thatcher

    I think Barr is a patriot. He probably doesnt like Trump much, but he saw all this outrageous activity happening and knew that he was one of the few people who could stop it.

    He was likely outraged more by the deep state, than anything Trump tweets.

     

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    • December 13, 2019, at 2:58 PM PST
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  21. Housebroken Thatcher

    Listened to the interview. Made my day.

    Read the comments. All good.

    But at the same time a quote comes to my mind about a fat lady singing. (I’ve nothing against fat ladies, it’s just a quote.)

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    • December 13, 2019, at 3:00 PM PST
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  22. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge

    Franco (View Comment):
    I’m closer to believing that too many GOP contacts and Senators would be exposed as playing in the Ukrainian sandbox. Lindsey Graham being one of them.

    And don’t forget the responsible committee is run by Sen. Richard Burr, who is as dirty as they come. The Deep State knows the critical pieces of the leviathan to corrupt. Bruce Ohr also had an oversight position and yet was neck-deep in the coup. This is why I want a long Senate trial–I don’t trust the Senators to do oversight. 

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    • December 13, 2019, at 3:25 PM PST
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  23. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    I’m closer to believing that too many GOP contacts and Senators would be exposed as playing in the Ukrainian sandbox. Lindsey Graham being one of them.

    And don’t forget the responsible committee is run by Sen. Richard Burr, who is as dirty as they come. The Deep State knows the critical pieces of the leviathan to corrupt. Bruce Ohr also had an oversight position and yet was neck-deep in the coup. This is why I want a long Senate trial–I don’t trust the Senators to do oversight.

    Why do you want a long Senate trial if you don’t trust the GOP Senators to do the job well? That’s precisely why I don’t want a trial.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 3:55 PM PST
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  24. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Fritz (View Comment):

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

    Did you watch the interview? The usual process will be followed. There might also be a report. But Barr is leaving that up to Durham. He said “We haven’t discussed it.”

    I just listened and it does sound as if a Durham investigation “report” may be forthcoming, which would be unusual, yet because of the multiple tangents and sub scandals of the FBI/DOJ/IC Trump/Russia collusion debacle, it may be necessary to tie the massive scandal together, given there may very well be plenty of malfeasance which is not technically criminal or malfeasance which there is not enough evidence to prosecute.

    There will probably be prosecutions related to specific alleged crimes which standing alone could leave the public in the dark as to the entire “corpus”(thank you John Brennan) of the scandal.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 4:21 PM PST
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  25. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Spin (View Comment):

    JesseMcVay: will finally be addressed when Mr Durham completes his work sometime around the middle of next year.

    See this is why I think the Senate wants to get through impeachment ASAP as possible. So that when the Durham report comes out, it will be both a vindication of not unseating a duly elected President, but it will be mud to through at the Democrats just ahead of the election.

    However, if they go the Lindsey Graham route and cover up the misdeeds of the crew they have been in bed with for decades, including the inconvenient fact that Graham and his buddy McCain eagerly helped get the hoax rolling, by pretending the Steele scam was serious, the Senate GOP caucus is going to look like it needs a serious shake up after Durham starts the perp walks, rolling up “resistance” cells as he gets the first rat to squeal.

     

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    • December 13, 2019, at 4:29 PM PST
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  26. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Franco (View Comment):
    Lindsey Graham being one of them.

    Along with his former wing-man, McCain. Graham is busy using his position to cover up for himself and McCain. He takes the false posture that it was acceptable to start the spy operation because he and McCain were in on getting it started and providing bipartisan establishment cover. 

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  27. Manny Member

    JesseMcVay: As for me, it has restored my faith in the justice system. No. That’s still a bit too strong. Let me just say it makes me cautiously optimistic that Justice will ultimately be done.

    Well, when I see Comey in jail, then it will restore my faith in the justice department. It needs a lot more than this. People have to go to jail.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 5:35 PM PST
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  28. Jon1979 Lincoln

    Sweezle (View Comment):

    The press will continue to try to discredit Barr. And lie about the Horowitz Report. Even Durham’s investigation will get ignored or misrepresented by the MSM. Thankfully we all have other outlets & resources to follow this story.

    We haven’t really seen the Durham smears start yet, probably because it’s still vague as to how Durham’s going to deal with this. But the more the Democrats and their supporters in the media think the result is going to be bad, and the closer we get to any indictments coming out, the more the target’s going to be taken off Barr’s back and pointed towards Durham (I’m sure we’re already well into op research territory, where the dossier on any Durham prosecutions in the past that can be criticized is already in the process of being teed up for broadcast or publication).

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    • December 13, 2019, at 5:50 PM PST
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  29. Percival Thatcher
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Fritz (View Comment):

    I keep seeing references to a Durham “report,” but as I understand it, he’s a US attorney and prosecutor conducting a criminal investigation. That means presenting evidence to a federal grand jury to establish probable cause, and then indicting and prosecuting defendants accused of having committed federal crimes. The indictments, and subsequent trials, are what come of federal prosecutions.

    Have I missed something whereby this usual process is not being followed, and we are merely expecting a “report”?

    Did you watch the interview? The usual process will be followed. There might also be a report. But Barr is leaving that up to Durham. He said “We haven’t discussed it.”

    As I recall, there was originally an investigation and a report was to be the end product. During the investigation Durham uncovered sufficient evidence of criminal wrongdoing to warrant expanding the investigation as a criminal one. He will bring indictments or he won’t, but the report as to the justification for the FISA warrants will probably be released either way.

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:55 PM PST
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  30. Percival Thatcher
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    Sweezle (View Comment):

    The press will continue to try to discredit Barr. And lie about the Horowitz Report. Even Durham’s investigation will get ignored or misrepresented by the MSM. Thankfully we all have other outlets & resources to follow this story.

    At this point, can the discredited press discredit anyone?

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    • December 13, 2019, at 6:56 PM PST
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