Remember, Ice Age Is Coming

 

Dr. Sheldon Cooper would be devastated, Leonard Nimoy was wrong:

The problem is presented diametrically differently, but the solution remains the same.

The environmentalist scares arent about the scientific data, but about the politics. They realize that their ‘solutions’ are politically unpopular, in order to make these ‘solutions’ seem palatable, the population has be scared into dramatic actions.

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  1. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Actually  there very well may be a mini ice age coming.  According to Dr Zarkova a Solar Physicist a Grand Solar Minimum similar to the Maunder Minimum is upon us.  According to her theory we should start seeing falling temperatures starting about 2020.  

     

    “The resulting summary curve reveals a remarkable resemblance to the sunspot and terrestrial activity reported in the past millennia including the significant grand solar minima: Maunder Minimum (1645–1715), Wolf minimum (1200), Oort minimum (1010–1050), Homer minimum (800–900 BC) combined with the grand solar maxima: the medieval warm period (900–1200), the Roman warm period (400–10BC) etc. It also predicts the upcoming grand solar minimum, similar to Maunder Minimum, which starts in 2020 and will last until 2055.

     

    So unlike the Warmist position, she has a position which should be easily verified.

    If she’s right, it’s going to get a lot colder.

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  2. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    Greta Thunberg the teenage Climate Puppet has gone full Marxist.

     

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  3. RushBabe49 Thatcher
    RushBabe49
    @RushBabe49

    Is it easier and more accurate to measure solar temperatures than terrestrial temperatures?  Temperature measurement on Earth is complicated by the human politics on Earth.  Where weather stations are set up, how often they are measured, who does the measuring, how (and whether, and when) the measurements are reported, are all complicated by politics.

    Assuming there are astronomical standards, anyone measuring the solar temperature and keeping track of cycles, should be more valid and accurate.

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  4. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    Hate fact!

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  5. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    At least he said under “200 years” rather than “12 years”.

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  6. Matt Bartle Member
    Matt Bartle
    @MattBartle

    As I understand it, we’re technically in an inter-glacial period right now. So the ice age prediction is probably right in the long term. 

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  7. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    @OccupantCDN

    Matt Bartle (View Comment):

    As I understand it, we’re technically in an inter-glacial period right now. So the ice age prediction is probably right in the long term.

    Correct, but not for like 12,500 years…

    Here’s a PBS show about how earth’s orbit produces ice ages:

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  8. Henry Racette Member
    Henry Racette
    @HenryRacette

    Ice is nice but, while it would no doubt suffice, I much prefer warmth. So I’ll continue to do what little I can to encourage climate change in the positive direction.

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  9. PHCheese Inactive
    PHCheese
    @PHCheese

    And the perfect temperature is?

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  10. WillowSpring Member
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Is it easier and more accurate to measure solar temperatures than terrestrial temperatures? Temperature measurement on Earth is complicated by the human politics on Earth. Where weather stations are set up, how often they are measured, who does the measuring, how (and whether, and when) the measurements are reported, are all complicated by politics.

    Assuming there are astronomical standards, anyone measuring the solar temperature and keeping track of cycles, should be more valid and accurate.

    The frustrating thing to me is that the CO2 hysteria is overwhelming the science.  The issue (as I understand it)  is not the issue of the sun’s direct radiation – although that does change, but changes in sun spots impact the magnetic field of the sun which impacts our magnetic field which impacts the cosmic ray penetration into our atmosphere which impacts the generation of cloud cover.  There is some evidence that the sun spots are related to the relative position of the Sun to other objects in our solar system.

    It is much more than CO2 bad, but that gets all the attention, since that allows the politicians to claim a need to control us more rigidly.  

    The issue is also complicated by the thought that there is a “global temperature”.  If you see the geographic distribution of temperature stations (and their quality), it is clearly something we don’t really have a handle on.

    I can’t recommend the site https://wattsupwiththat.com enough as a place to find real discussion about these issues.

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  11. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    Well, if Greta says it, it must be so. Who am I to argue with the logic of the foremost climate expert?

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  12. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Some say the world will end in fire,

    Some say in ice.

    From what I’ve tasted of desire

    I hold with those who favor fire.

    But if it had to perish twice,

    I think I know enough of hate

    To say that for destruction ice

    Is also great

    And would suffice.

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  13. DonG (skeptic) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Is it easier and more accurate to measure solar temperatures than terrestrial temperatures? Temperature measurement on Earth is complicated by the human politics on Earth. Where weather stations are set up, how often they are measured, who does the measuring, how (and whether, and when) the measurements are reported, are all complicated by politics.

    Assuming there are astronomical standards, anyone measuring the solar temperature and keeping track of cycles, should be more valid and accurate.

    The important variation for the sun is magnetic (as shown above in the sunspot cycles).  The suns magnetic field can affect cloudiness on earth.  Another variation from the sun is total irradiance.  The sun’s brightness does not vary much, but it correlates well with earth’s global temperature. 

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  14. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Hmmm, that popped up in the last day or so in my youtube feed as well. Pretty funny.

    It ages as well as this video:

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Hmmm, that popped up in the last day or so in my youtube feed as well. Pretty funny.

    It ages as well as this video:

    Wow, that is truly hideous. Why did he do it in character? Was it the ears he had in common with hobbits?

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  16. Kozak Member
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    WillowSpring (View Comment):
    It is much more than CO2 bad, but that gets all the attention, since that allows the politicians to claim a need to control us more rigidly.

    The joke is CO2 is at best a minor driver of temperature. Water vapor is by far the biggest green house gas.  

    In the past CO2 levels have been 2000% higher than today and we did not get run away green house warming.

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  17. Kozak Member
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    @Kozak

    DonG (skeptic) (View Comment):

    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    Is it easier and more accurate to measure solar temperatures than terrestrial temperatures? Temperature measurement on Earth is complicated by the human politics on Earth. Where weather stations are set up, how often they are measured, who does the measuring, how (and whether, and when) the measurements are reported, are all complicated by politics.

    Assuming there are astronomical standards, anyone measuring the solar temperature and keeping track of cycles, should be more valid and accurate.

    The important variation for the sun is magnetic (as shown above in the sunspot cycles). The suns magnetic field can affect cloudiness on earth. Another variation from the sun is total irradiance. The sun’s brightness does not vary much, but it correlates well with earth’s global temperature.

    How shocking that the Big Ball of Fire in the sky might have a lot to do with earths temperature…

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  18. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    CO2 is Plant Food.

    I care about the planet and maximizing life. So all three of our family’s vehicles have V8 engines (not so easy to do, with 1 van, 1 SUV and 1 sedan). Average mileage is about 15 mpg.

    Because I care.

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  19. El Colonel Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Some say the world will end in fire,

    Some say in ice.

    From what I’ve tasted of desire

    I hold with those who favor fire.

    But if it had to perish twice,

    I think I know enough of hate

    To say that for destruction ice

    Is also great

    And would suffice.

    Thanks Robert.

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  20. MichaelKennedy Inactive
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    @MichaelKennedy

    We will have some indications if the sunspot cycle theory is valid in the next few years. The global warming theory has been around as long as “peak oil” and the Paul Ehrlich natural resource depletion theory. None of those have held up.

    The famous bet.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon%E2%80%93Ehrlich_wager

     

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  21. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    Sunspots are quite indirect measurements.

    The planet is CO2 deprived, and life flourishes from warmth, not cold. The oceans never exceed 30C – that is a “natural” thermostat that is easily explained by widespread afternoon thunderstorms. So the high temperature is capped anyway.

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  22. Saint Augustine Member
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    @SaintAugustine

    iWe (View Comment):

    CO2 is Plant Food.

    I care about the planet and maximizing life. So all three of our family’s vehicles have V8 engines (not so easy to do, with 1 van, 1 SUV and 1 sedan). Average mileage is about 15 mpg.

    Because I care.

    Excellent.

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  23. WillowSpring Member
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    @WillowSpring

    iWe (View Comment):

    Sunspots are quite indirect measurements.

    The planet is CO2 deprived, and life flourishes from warmth, not cold. The oceans never exceed 30C – that is a “natural” thermostat that is easily explained by widespread afternoon thunderstorms. So the high temperature is capped anyway.

    Have you read posts by Willis Eschenbach on the impact of thunderstorms? He has had an amazing life – lots of time sailing and observing weather in various areas including the tropics and the mathematical ability to analyze data.  Here is a typical post on my favorite climate site https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/08/how-thunderstorms-beat-the-heat/

    He also posts less scientific themes on his own website: https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/  

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  24. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Sunspots are quite indirect measurements.

    The planet is CO2 deprived, and life flourishes from warmth, not cold. The oceans never exceed 30C – that is a “natural” thermostat that is easily explained by widespread afternoon thunderstorms. So the high temperature is capped anyway.

    Have you read posts by Willis Eschenbach on the impact of thunderstorms? He has had an amazing life – lots of time sailing and observing weather in various areas including the tropics and the mathematical ability to analyze data. Here is a typical post on my favorite climate site https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/01/08/how-thunderstorms-beat-the-heat/

    He also posts less scientific themes on his own website: https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/

    Yes – he is the source of the thunderstorm-as-thermostat idea. Brilliant man.

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  25. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    And the perfect temperature is?

    For real beer, 54 degrees Fahrenheit, “cellar temperature.”

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  26. PHenry Inactive
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    Water vapor is by far the biggest green house gas.

    Then vaping causes global warming!  

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  27. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    And the perfect temperature is?

    A little warmer if I’m feeling chilly and a bit cooler if I’m hot.  What else?

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  28. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Kozak (View Comment):
    How shocking that the Big Ball of Fire in the sky might have a lot to do with earths temperature…

    By the time the Lefties figure out it’s the sun and not CO2, they will also have figured out how to blame all that on us too.  And of course the only solution to the problem will be to just trust them and give them our obedience. And shut up.

    Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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  29. Kozak Member
    Kozak
    @Kozak

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):
    How shocking that the Big Ball of Fire in the sky might have a lot to do with earths temperature…

    By the time the Lefties figure out it’s the sun and not CO2, they will also have figured out how to blame all that on us too. And of course the only solution to the problem will be to just trust them and give them our obedience. And shut up.

    Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

    Yeah. The answer always seems to be “bigger government with more control”.

    That’s what they said in the 70’s with the coming Ice Age.  It’s gospel with the warmists.

    Even Dr Zarkova when talking about the coming solar minimum mentions possible famine in the 2030’s, and her suggestion was centralized planning and action by the worlds governments….

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  30. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    El Colonel (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Some say the world will end in fire,

    Some say in ice.

    From what I’ve tasted of desire

    I hold with those who favor fire.

    But if it had to perish twice,

    I think I know enough of hate

    To say that for destruction ice

    Is also great

    And would suffice.

    Thanks Robert.

    The purpose of using a pseudonym is so the public does not know my real identity.  I would appreciate it is you do not out my name, even my first one in a public forum.  

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