Environmentalism: A Long View

 

“Sustainable.” People seem awfully fond of that word, using it more and more to the point where the XKCD guy figured out when the English language becomes only the word “sustainable” over and over and over again.

The problem with sustainability is that it assumes that, well, things can be sustained. That there exists a possible steady-state future where the environment isn’t harmed by mankind. We assume that, left to it’s own devices, the environment stays the same. The environment will change, and it will change in spite of our attempts to sustain it.

Species Will Go Extinct

Let’s face it, the pandas are doomed. If we stopped the habitat destruction; if we conjured new bamboo forests for them, they’d still die out. A species which is so singularly apathetic about reproduction isn’t going to win the natural selection Olympics. If you buy evolution at all then you know that species have been going extinct long before Homo Sap came on the scene. If we conserve nature as if it wasn’t touched by man, we’re consigning those species to die. Even cute and fuzzy species like the panda bear.

On the flipside, the theory of evolution predicts that new species will evolve. Conserving the environment as it exists now means we’ll have to root out those new species as well as preserve the old ones. This will only get harder as time goes by.

Long story short, pandas are unsustainable.

Litter is Only Temporary

Yes, even the bad kinds of litter. Look, it ain’t pretty going along the highway and looking at discarded plastic bottles. I’m embarrassed by it, the way you’re embarrassed if your dog piddles on someone else’s floor. And they tell us that plastic doesn’t decay. That might even be true right now. In the future?

Again, if you take the theory of evolution seriously then you should be keeping an eye on all those long chain hydrocarbons. Those things hold a lot of energy. Sooner or later something’s going to take advantage of that. There’s a great deal of difference between splitting sugars apart to regenerate ATP and chewing through PVC, but the existence of that much available energy creates options much like a fool and his money creates economic opportunity.

By creating huge piles of polyethylene, mankind has wedged another niche into the survival game. Sooner or later we’ll find a bacteria strain taking advantage of all that underutilized energy. And plastics will decay like anything else.

Glass too? Not glass. Silicon dioxide is about as burnt as anything can possibly be. There’s very little energy to extract. On the other hand, what’s the difference between a glass bottle and a rock? Aesthetically, a glass bottle looks uglier when it’s tossed in the ocean. But it’s still made of sand; eventually, the ocean will wear it back into sand.

Landfills Are Not Permanent. Neither Is Nuclear Waste

Landfills are, however, disgusting. Stuff that’s tossed into them doesn’t decay quickly. But more things than biodegradables get tossed into landfills. Think about any old and busted piece of electronics that ended up in the trash. All those aluminum cans that missed the recycling bin. All the stuff we toss out is also all the raw materials we need to build civilization. What’s the difference between a landfill and a mine? The price of aluminum.

And nuclear waste? Radiation can be nasty stuff. But every bit of radiation comes from an atom decaying into another element*. As it marches down that decay chain it eventually reaches a stable endpoint. That can take a real long time. However, every bit of radioactivity comes from an atom decaying; if it takes ’em a real long time to decay they’re going to emit less radioactivity on a minute-by-minute basis. The more dangerous the isotope, the more quickly it goes away.

And there are uses for nuclear waste. I mean aside from generating superheroes. I’ll save you the reading, and link to a talk by Kirk Sorensen about the useful things you can find in nuclear waste. Bottom line, if you filled Yucca mountain with fresh, piping hot nuclear waste, in about three hundred years you could open a plutonium mine.

The Broader Problems with Environmentalism

The problem with words like ‘sustainability’ isn’t really that people haven’t thought them through. It’s that they don’t feel it necessary to think them through. Hey, maybe I’m wrong about these things. Maybe plastics will never decay, maybe the pandas are on the cusp of staging a comeback tour. Maybe a plutonium mine is a really, really bad idea. The problem I have with this is that these questions aren’t even being asked.

If you’re going to set the environment as your highest good, if you’re going to sacrifices the freedom of your fellow man in order to ban plastic straws and whatever else in pursuit of that ideal, then you should at a bare minimum understand what that ideal is and what it implies.


*You can also have atoms decay into a different configuration of the same element, but that hardly matters to the larger discussion.

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  1. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    I’ve wondered for some time how it is that great pandas hadn’t already gone extinct, as lackadaisical as they are about breeding.

    People are pro-panda for some reason.

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  2. Arahant Member
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    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):
    People are pro-panda for some reason.

    Charismatic mega-fauna.

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  3. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):
    People are pro-panda for some reason.

    Charismatic mega-fauna.

    Hey, it got Trump elected. 

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Al French, sad sack (View Comment):
    The word “sustainable” has no legal or scientific definition. All claims to sustainability are meaningless.

    I’m in favor of a lot of kinds of sustainability, including sustainable tax and spending policies. Sustainability is a good word.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    I’ve wondered for some time how it is that great pandas hadn’t already gone extinct, as lackadaisical as they are about breeding.

    People are pro-panda for some reason.

    I’m in favor of people, so if people agree in favor of pandas, I might be, too. 

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  6. Hank Rhody, Drunk on Power Contributor
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of people

    Does this category include people from Illinois? I might have to disagree on this point.

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  7. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Al French, sad sack (View Comment):
    The word “sustainable” has no legal or scientific definition. All claims to sustainability are meaningless.

    I’m in favor of a lot of kinds of sustainability, including sustainable tax and spending policies. Sustainability is was a good word.

    It is a withered husk of a word, its vital essences sucked out over several years of liberal oral fixation. 

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Al French, sad sack (View Comment):
    The word “sustainable” has no legal or scientific definition. All claims to sustainability are meaningless.

    I’m in favor of a lot of kinds of sustainability, including sustainable tax and spending policies. Sustainability is was a good word.

    It is a withered husk of a word, its vital essences sucked out over several years of liberal oral fixation.

    But still a good word to use against the left. 

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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Al French, sad sack (View Comment):
    The word “sustainable” has no legal or scientific definition. All claims to sustainability are meaningless.

    I’m in favor of a lot of kinds of sustainability, including sustainable tax and spending policies. Sustainability is was a good word.

    It is a withered husk of a word, its vital essences sucked out over several years of liberal oral fixation.

    But still a good word to use against the left.

    I can’t argue there. It’ll still annoy them, unlike ‘political activist’ which, when applied to a non-liberal, makes their eyes go unfocused for several seconds as they un-hear it. 

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  10. Arahant Member
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    Hank Rhody, Drunk on Power (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of people

    Does this category include people from Illinois? I might have to disagree on this point.

    Hey, now!

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  11. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Hank Rhody, Drunk on Power (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of people

    Does this category include people from Illinois? I might have to disagree on this point.

    Hey, now!

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  12. Percival Thatcher
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    Hank Rhody, Drunk on Power (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I’m in favor of people

    Does this category include people from Illinois? I might have to disagree on this point.

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  13. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Stop it already with all this thoughtful, intelligent Big Picture optimism. Keep this up and soon you’ll allow the sun to burst through the clouds, for goodness sake.

    In an early draft of the treatment, the pre-script of “2001”, Arthur C. Clarke had a brief (discarded) aside that has always stuck with me. The enigmatic monolith was made from unknown materials with unbelievable exactness, the kind of thing that we might never figure out how to do. The basic technology was unlike anything in our science. So how much more advanced were the beings who created it and somehow buried it beneath the Moon’s surface so long ago? At that time were they a million years beyond where we are today? The rough guess was, surprisingly, maybe no more than a few hundred years. The main body of today’s scientific knowledge is no older than that. If we can go from the transportation tech of “Master and Commander” to sending a sports car into solar orbit in less than 300 years, we ought to be able to figure out how to transmute nuclear waste.

    I appreciate your patience with transient, man-made messiness, though as someone who saw the Seventies, I can tell you there are degrees of smog, industrial waste and litter that are harder to put into the Big Picture than others.

    What’s important is that we should be focused on real environmental improvement. In the 70s and 80s, you would never see the mountains in Los Angeles in the summer. Now you see them all the time.

    Then there was, “Give a hoot, don’t pollute.” We worked hard and cleaned up our mess.

    The problem now is that we have solved most of our environmental issues. I’ve been to India, they haven’t. But now our political class is focused on the non-issue of global warming. That distracts everyone from continuing to focus on fixing the real problems that exist.

    That’s the thing: in the early Seventies the pollution problem was really bad. Cleaning up 90% was not all that expensive and the results were great. But cleaning up 9/10 of the remaining 10% was quite costly by the Nineties, with far fewer visible improvements and a marked increase in impact on human activity in general, not just industry.

    Now we’re dealing with an astronomical estimate to deal with the remaining 1%. Something’s gone wrong with the arithmetic.

    That’s the standard arithmetic. Law of diminishing returns. The missing part is that we no longer say enough is enough and stop.

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  14. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Clavius (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    Stop it already with all this thoughtful, intelligent Big Picture optimism. Keep this up and soon you’ll allow the sun to burst through the clouds, for goodness sake.

    In an early draft of the treatment, the pre-script of “2001”, Arthur C. Clarke had a brief (discarded) aside that has always stuck with me. The enigmatic monolith was made from unknown materials with unbelievable exactness, the kind of thing that we might never figure out how to do. The basic technology was unlike anything in our science. So how much more advanced were the beings who created it and somehow buried it beneath the Moon’s surface so long ago? At that time were they a million years beyond where we are today? The rough guess was, surprisingly, maybe no more than a few hundred years. The main body of today’s scientific knowledge is no older than that. If we can go from the transportation tech of “Master and Commander” to sending a sports car into solar orbit in less than 300 years, we ought to be able to figure out how to transmute nuclear waste.

    I appreciate your patience with transient, man-made messiness, though as someone who saw the Seventies, I can tell you there are degrees of smog, industrial waste and litter that are harder to put into the Big Picture than others.

    What’s important is that we should be focused on real environmental improvement. In the 70s and 80s, you would never see the mountains in Los Angeles in the summer. Now you see them all the time.

    Then there was, “Give a hoot, don’t pollute.” We worked hard and cleaned up our mess.

    The problem now is that we have solved most of our environmental issues. I’ve been to India, they haven’t. But now our political class is focused on the non-issue of global warming. That distracts everyone from continuing to focus on fixing the real problems that exist.

    That’s the thing: in the early Seventies the pollution problem was really bad. Cleaning up 90% was not all that expensive and the results were great. But cleaning up 9/10 of the remaining 10% was quite costly by the Nineties, with far fewer visible improvements and a marked increase in impact on human activity in general, not just industry.

    Now we’re dealing with an astronomical estimate to deal with the remaining 1%. Something’s gone wrong with the arithmetic.

    That’s the standard arithmetic. Law of diminishing returns. The missing part is that we no longer say enough is enough and stop.

    That’s my growing problem with popular culture. I’m never surprised when people push to be a little more daring, a little more insulting, and a little too quick to claim they’ve been proven right when nothing of the kind has been okayed by the public. The missing part is nobody making eight figures and up is pushing back. It’s like the unfortunate Boeing 737 MAX; the software keeps prompting unwanted inputs to the horizontal stabilizer, shoving the nose towards the ground. But generally mistakes like “The Last Jedi” and the woke editions of Sportscenter take more than three or four minutes and involve more than two panicked pilots. 

     

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    That’s my growing problem with popular culture.

    I blame it on photography. As soon as photography made realistic portraiture mechanical, the artists had to find a new direction. Ever since, they have been going towards new transgressions.

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  16. namlliT noD Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    https://youtu.be/qNPZnP7YDCY

    Oh man, that’s great.

    Folks, Lou and Peter Berryman are an awesome trip, writing and performing delightfully strange and wonderful songs.  They’re based in Madison, Wisconsin, and I got to see them a couple times when I went to school there in the late 70’s.  And they haven’t lost it.

    Lyrics, Mr. and Mrs. Noah:

    You got the sheep? I got the sheep
    You got the germs? I got the germs
    You got giraffes? I got giraffes
    You got the worms? I got the worms
    You got the scroichahs? You got the scroichahs?

    Well . . . eh . . .

    Noah, how you gonna populate the world without the canfornikky

    Lowing of the scroichahs on the edges of the fens?
    The feelers on their flanks, along their wings and up their antlers
    Undulating in the chambers of their underwater dens
    To tell the truth, although they’re fairly easy to attract
    They’re hard to catch, they smell like paint, and they’re reported to be mean
    Besides their being fast and dumb, they also are destructive
    Eating fields of purple loosestrife and exuding gasoline

    You got the bears? Bats? Moths? Rats? Yunchies?

    Noah, how you gonna populate the world without the transcendental
    Yelping of the yunchies in the caverns off Belize?
    The thinsulated bulges of their oscillating bellies
    Making ripples in the undertow below your dungarees
    What good are they, for though they wander glumly to the traps
    They make a mess, they’re self-important and they’re hard to get to know
    Besides their being petulant they roam across the earth
    Digesting boxcars of plutonium and peeing H2O

    You got the pigs? Voles? Flies? Moles? Patangas?
    Noah, how you gonna populate the world without the syncopated
    Gurgle of patangas by the locks along the Fox?
    The hypersonic flutter of their subthoracic nubbins
    Toward pupation in riparian delphiniums and phlox
    What good are they, for though they do adhere to tanglefoot
    They are unruly, overbearing, and they feel like lumps of snot
    They multiply and devastate the zebra mussel population
    Plus they feed on tsetse flies which bothers me a lot

    You got the flurgs? Voobs? Keelsh? Koobs? Gadupples? Pepings?
    Noah, how you gonna populate the world without the voobs and koobs
    And keelsh and flurgs and pepings and gadupples in the trees?
    Their symbiotic eloquence while inching up the cambium
    Descending pentatonically in groups of twos and threes
    What good are they, for though they have their moments
    They do nothing but collectively make oxygen where diesel smoke belongs
    Sporadically ingurgitating PCBs and acid rain
    They live to eat the editors of long and silly songs

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