The Kellyanne and George Debacle: A Sad Testimony on Marriage

 

This post is not going to cover the lurid details of the public spat between Donald Trump and George Conway. Instead, I’d like to speak to the degradation of the Conway marriage vows, to the absence of spousal respect and to the damage it causes to the family, especially the children.

Let me provide a little background. Kellyanne and George Conway married in 2001. They now have four children. Before working for President Trump, Kellyanne founded a polling company with many credits to her name. George is a private attorney.

Early on they both supported Donald Trump for president. Kellyanne was chosen by Trump to be a consultant to him. It appeared that George would be appointed to the Justice Department, but after James Comey was fired, George withdrew as a candidate to remain a private lawyer. Shortly thereafter he began his attacks on Twitter. If you’d like to read more about the attacks, you can look here and here.

The real tragedy for the Conway family, the country, and the institution of marriage is not the battle that has emerged and evolved, but how it has been publicly displayed and the disrespect it shows for the institution of marriage. Let me explain.

First, I assume that George Conway knew he was marrying an independent and successful woman. We can’t know how healthy their marriage was before her work with Donald Trump, but since the original plan was for them both to be in the administration, and George bowed out, his decision may have created all kinds of conflicts on his part. The problem is not that George opted out of the administration, but how he acted following his own decision: he publicly attacked his wife’s boss in a high-profile manner, and since her boss just happened to be the President of the United States, it made the headlines.

I don’t expect George to support the President or his wife publicly. But when there are difficulties in a marriage, your spouse is entitled to a level of respect and decent behavior. For George to not only humiliate his wife’s boss but also his own wife is a violation of the marriage vows. Remember, “love and honor”? In fact, I don’t know the nature of their relationship, but whatever problems George and Kellyanne had, his behavior is abominable. When a couple is in conflict, especially when they are high-profile people, the appropriate thing to do is to keep it between themselves.

The couple also has four children. George is putting them in an impossible position when he indirectly attacks their mother. Kellyanne not only chose to work for the President, but to date, she has tried to maintain some dignity in her public comments. To have the children hear their father humiliating their mother, even if indirectly, is unacceptable.

I know that all marriages go through changes. Many of us have probably had a spouse take a job that we resented, disliked or are even envied. When those decisions are made, they need to be discussed privately, candidly and resolved in a way that both parties can make adjustments and work with the situation as maturely as possible. There is no way I can know the ins and outs of the Conways’ relationship. But I do know what I see in the media, and I am saddened and disappointed to see such a display.

I’m clearly not objective about this situation. I can appreciate that George Conway doesn’t like Donald Trump and wishes his wife didn’t work for him.

But she does. And he apparently approved early on of her taking the job.

I believe Kellyanne will find her way through this debacle.

Will George?

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  1. Rodin Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    He sounds like a jerk, but frankly this is too much inside baseball for me to really take interest. That said, I like Kellyann. I hope their marriage survives.

    If that is what she wants, because George is certainly not acting like that is what he wants.

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  2. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    So I’m trying to understand this in a personal way. Should I imagine that I’m married to Gary Robbins? :)

    Don’t put stuff like that in the world where people can’t unsee / unthink it. You may have done me serious damage with that one.

    Why bother with microagression, when there’s such a prefix as macro?

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  3. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    It’s interesting that few people have touched on the moral and/or sacred part of a marriage relationship, and what his behavior does to their marriage. I suspect he’s not a religious man. In one of the articles I cited, Kellyanne mentioned that she grew up in a Catholic family where privacy was of prime importance. Not only must George’s comments must be painful for her, but they violate a primary belief that these complaints should not be public.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    I don’t know anything about this, and I’m glad.

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  5. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    I hope they find away to work it out. I cant imagine the amount of stress that Kelly Anne is under right now. Between her job, the press, and the lack of support on the home front – I dont know if I could cope with it.

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  6. Manny Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    It’s interesting that few people have touched on the moral and/or sacred part of a marriage relationship, and what his behavior does to their marriage. I suspect he’s not a religious man. In one of the articles I cited, Kellyanne mentioned that she grew up in a Catholic family where privacy was of prime importance. Not only must George’s comments must be painful for her, but they violate a primary belief that these complaints should not be public.

    Very good point Susan.  It was there in my mind, that’s why I wished their marriage survives this.  It would be tragic if they split.  

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  7. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Manny (View Comment):
    Very good point Susan. It was there in my mind, that’s why I wished their marriage survives this. It would be tragic if they split.

    If they do stay together, he has a lot of atoning to do. Including to his children.

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  8. Rodin Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    I hope they find away to work it out. I cant imagine the amount of stress that Kelly Anne is under right now. Between her job, the press, and the lack of support on the home front – I dont know if I could cope with it.

    Yes. This touches on a key point: A spouse can have a difficult and stressful job. Even with support at home it can be difficult. Without support at home, even in private, it is more difficult. With a spouse publicly attacking (at least inferentially) the work of the other spouse, it would be unendurable. That George is behaving this way exposes extreme narcissism that makes him unable to even see what this is likely doing to his family. And, then, that it undermines KellyAnne’s support amongst pro-Trump allies, is just beyond the pale.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I just thought of something else. @rightangles asked if I wasn’t making things worse for the children if this OP went to the Main Feed, and I told her I could understand her point of view. But if the children were to see this post, maybe they would get some solace from a post that seems more balanced, that does criticize their father but backs up the reasons. Then again, maybe not.

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  10. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    If my wife chose to defend an obviously unbalanced miscreant for “professional” reasons over my sincere criticisms I would say the root of our marriage problem is not with me. I look at this with such a different perspective than the rest of the Ricochetti. Joshua said “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” George is insisting the world knows that he and his house will not shirk the truth, even if his wife has decided to serve up “alternative facts” in service to someone he does not think worthy.

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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    If my wife chose to defend an obviously unbalanced miscreant for “professional” reasons over my sincere criticisms I would say the root of our marriage problem is not with me. I look at this with such a different perspective than the rest of the Ricochetti. Joshua said “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” George is insisting the world knows that he and his house will not shirk the truth, even if his wife has decided to serve up “alternative facts” in service to someone he does not think worthy.

    I see, you live in that universe.

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  12. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    If my wife chose to defend an obviously unbalanced miscreant for “professional” reasons over my sincere criticisms I would say the root of our marriage problem is not with me. I look at this with such a different perspective than the rest of the Ricochetti. Joshua said “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” George is insisting the world knows that he and his house will not shirk the truth, even if his wife has decided to serve up “alternative facts” in service to someone he does not think worthy.

    I see, you live in that universe.

    I do. Sometimes on Ricochet I feel like I’ve stumbled into that parallel universe where Spock had the pointy beard.

    Either Trump has deliberately played footsie with racists or he hasn’t. To people like George Conway and me his Birtherism, his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper, his response to Charlottesville say one thing and Kellyanne says the opposite. I would not hide in the shadows while my wife made a fool of my family name like that and I don’t think he should either.

    And as I said in my first comment, I think there’s a good chance Kellyanne has possibly seen the light and had enough too, though the linked articles does make that look less likely.

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  13. Ed G. Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    Either Trump has deliberately played footsie with racists or he hasn’t.

    He hasn’t.

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  14. Ed G. Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

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  15. Ed G. Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his response to Charlottesville

    He condemned nazis and racists specifically in his Charlottesville responses.

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  16. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

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  17. Rodin Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    Well, OK then!

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  18. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    Parroting the same falsehoods over and over again does not make them any more true.

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  19. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    Parroting the same falsehoods over and over again does not make them any more true.

    At least we agree on one thing.

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    I’m sorry you’ve made this about Trump, rather than his respecting his wife’s choice, even if he despises Trump. He’s made the whole situation about himself. Nothing to respect about that. 

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  21. Ed G. Member
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    No lie, no propaganda. He condemned Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

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  22. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    I’m sorry you’ve made this about Trump, rather than his respecting his wife’s choice, even if he despises Trump. He’s made the whole situation about himself. Nothing to respect about that.

    You are right and have the right to your own post. I was going to link the YouTube interview but I will let it go. Kellyanne was banned from Morning Joe for using the phrase “alternative facts” and that’s how we got off on this tngent.

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  23. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Why is Trump’s birtherism still a thing? There is no doubt that Obama was born in Everett Wa.

    ;)

    I am sure it’s been pointed out many times. But Birtherism was started in 2008 during the democrat primaries, many blame the Clinton Campaign for it. So once again democrats are blaming republicans for the things they’ve done.

     

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  24. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    double post

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  25. Jim George Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I do see what all of you are saying. And I apologize, Susan, for coming into your post and contradicting you that way. It was wrong. I just see these things from a more personal perspective, I guess. Like @rodin, I’m capable of forming a distinction between discussion and gossip; however, those kids won’t be. Any more public discussions of their family just adds to their pain, that’s all I’m saying. But also we have no idea really what goes on behind closed doors, so it’s all speculation anyway. All the musings about “Is he jealous of a powerful woman” or any of the rest of it is speculation and there is a fine line between that and gossip. Okay sorry. This whole thing has taken me back to a bad time for my daughter. I will shut up now. If it were Members Only, it wouldn’t bother me.

    @rightangles, I’m going to say something and I think @susanquinn will be the first to understand; I have to admit this comes from a person who is tired to death of this “apology universe” we all seem to have parachuted into, but I do not think you have a single thing to apologize for. When I read your story, I felt a deeply personal attachment to that kind of experience, and I can easily see how this might have hit you exactly where it obviously did. As for me, I simply cannot imagine what a marriage must be like with a husband so openly, publicly, outrageously disrespecting his wife in such a manner. For what it’s worth, My Lady Judith, a/k/a Miz Judi in these parts, would have taken some, as they say in novels, extreme measures long ago had I disrespected her in this manner.  

    I wish you well.

    Jim

     

     

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  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    If my wife chose to defend an obviously unbalanced miscreant for “professional” reasons over my sincere criticisms I would say the root of our marriage problem is not with me. I look at this with such a different perspective than the rest of the Ricochetti. Joshua said “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.” George is insisting the world knows that he and his house will not shirk the truth, even if his wife has decided to serve up “alternative facts” in service to someone he does not think worthy.

    I see, you live in that universe.

    I do. Sometimes on Ricochet I feel like I’ve stumbled into that parallel universe where Spock had the pointy beard.

    Either Trump has deliberately played footsie with racists or he hasn’t. To people like George Conway and me his Birtherism, his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper, his response to Charlottesville say one thing and Kellyanne says the opposite. I would not hide in the shadows while my wife made a fool of my family name like that and I don’t think he should either.

    And as I said in my first comment, I think there’s a good chance Kellyanne has possibly seen the light and had enough too, though the linked articles does make that look less likely.

    I can’t even talk to you guys.  You are part of the cabal that see racist everywhere and racism is measured in “dog whistles” and  is measured in nanosecond involuntarily reaction time.  In your world all (but you) are racist since none can measure to your high standards.  If the items you mention prove Trumps racism then you need to find a new definition of racism since you have obviously never seen it or met a racist.

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  27. Petty Boozswha Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    his refusal to condemn David Duke despite several minutes of pleading to do so by Jake Tapper

    He did condemn Duke both before and after that Tapper interview.

    I saw it in real time. No amount of big lie propaganda will change it.

    I’m sorry you’ve made this about Trump, rather than his respecting his wife’s choice, even if he despises Trump. He’s made the whole situation about himself. Nothing to respect about that.

    Let me elaborate a little bit. When I wrote comment #40 I had not read your linked articles. I still believed possibly George was doing Kellyanne’s bidding because she felt privately conflicted or was trying to push her off the fence by these public tweets, because of information she was sharing with him. I have not followed the controversy that closely. I do not believe that now and agree it is just a tragic marriage situation that is outside of politics,

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  28. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I can’t even talk to you guys. You are part of the cabal that see racist everywhere and racism is measured in “dog whistles” and is measured in nanosecond involuntarily reaction time. In your world all (but you) are racist since none can measure to your high standards. If the items you mention prove Trumps racism then you need to find a new definition of racism since you have obviously never seen it or met a racist.

    I always wondered. If the liberals are the ones who hear all these racist dog whistles – doesnt that make them one of the dogs?

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  29. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Contrast with James Carville and Mary Matlin: Both of these individuals had strong, oppositional partisan identities before they married. They had a context for their public critiques of the politics that their spouses supported. That created space for the public to make no inference about the other spouse since it was a continuation of a long standing persona. And it also made it possible for “Oh, James” moments. And when the kids came along it was just the way it was and did not create strains in the family. It was an odd pairing, but once made — it worked without dishonor to either.

    I don’t know about the private lives of Carville and Matalin, but I always assumed their schtick was exactly that- an act which was pleasing to a large enough audience. Together they were definitevely centrist comedic. Apart, Matalin seems to have been mostly a non-entity while Carville was an amoral or immoral demagogue. The schtick itself made me think less of Matalin as a pundit personality – the subject matter wasn’t Burns and Allen material and Carville’s sycophancy wasn’t just ho hum differences among classical liberals.

    The Conway’s situation is different. They aren’t an established industry act, they’re supposedly both on the right, and Kellyanne isn’t a sociopathic huckster like Carville.

    At the time, Mary Matalin was most certainly not a “non-entity.” She and Carville rose to prominence together as senior campaign staffers in the GHW Bush vs. Clinton campaign. I think @ronin has it right. They were both clearly acting within professional roles, and stood for the idea that people could be tough political competitors while friends or even lovers. 

    The difference is that George Conway is acting from personal animus, not professional obligation. Were it otherwise, Kellyanne would have the space to give Mary Matalin’s response, as could President Trump. Smile and say “he’s just doing his job.”

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  30. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Petty Boozswha (View Comment):
    Let me elaborate a little bit. When I wrote comment #40 I had not read your linked articles. I still believed possibly George was doing Kellyanne’s bidding because she felt privately conflicted or was trying to push her off the fence by these public tweets, because of information she was sharing with him. I have not followed the controversy that closely. I do not believe that now and agree it is just a tragic marriage situation that is outside of politics,

    I cant disagree with you more. George is acting out because of Kelly Anne’s pillow talk? They’re both lawyers they both understand what can’t be shared. There is no way that Kelly Anne is talking about confidential stuff happening on her job with her husband. and their is no way he’d let her.

    They both understand the risks and penalties that over sharing would entail, it just wouldnt happen.

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