The Bulwark: Walking it Back, Just a Little?

 

Our mutual friend @garyrobbins has called my attention to a change at The Bulwark, one that I think is positive, so I thought I’d give a little bit of credit where a little bit of credit is due. The Bulwark has changed its mission statement. Previously, its “About Us” page described its mission as follows:

Our mission will be to say [that the president of the United States is a serial liar, a narcissist and a bully, a con man who mocks the disabled and women, a man with no fixed principles who has the vocabulary of an emotionally insecure nine-year-old] out loud and encourage others to do so as well.

They have revised their mission statement. The page now reads:

The Bulwark is a project of the Defending Democracy Together Institute. DDTI is a 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to preserving America’s democratic norms, values, and institutions, and educating the public on conservative principles like rule of law, free trade, and expanding legal immigration.

I think that’s an improvement, though I don’t believe it represents an actual change in focus of the organization. My suspicion is that the previous mission statement was, correctly, considered unduly petty and Trump-obsessed. My perusal of the website does nothing to dispel the notion that the publication remains petty and Trump-obsessed, but I do appreciate the more adult theme expressed on their “About Us” page.

The Defending Democracy Together Institute (DDTI) seems particularly entranced by the prospect of Russian collusion by the 2016 Trump campaign. I don’t expect Mueller to report evidence of such collusion; if that’s the case, it will be interesting to see how the organization and its pit bull of a publication deal with that.


Incidentally, anyone who figures out how to monetize references to The Bulwark should jump on it. My prior two posts on the topic netted 93 likes and a whopping 658 comments between them.

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  1. Joshua Bissey Inactive
    Joshua Bissey
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    @rufusrjones,

    Thanks for posting those. They’re in my YouTube history now, and hopefully I can remember to go back and listen to those while I’m driving, or washing dishes, or whatever.

    Unfortunately, I’m not one for economic issues, so I’m guessing some of those won’t really register with me. I’ll give them a try.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):
    Unfortunately, I’m not one for economic issues, so I’m guessing some of those won’t really register with me. I’ll give them a try.

    Our big problem is, the Fed and the financial system really get in the way of conservatism and libertarianism actually selling or working. In my opinion democracy just isn’t what people think it is when you have all of the central banks that are really almost 100% discretionary. I think it drives how people vote far more than anything else. 

    This is a great article and it’s also available as a podcast.

    Ronald Reagan knew that the Fed needed overhauling but so many of those guys that work for him got in the way. Stockman talks about it on the part about getting rid of Paul Volker. 

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  3. Stina Inactive
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    @CM

    CJ (View Comment):
    conserve the institution of the Democratic Nation-State

    You have no idea what that even is.

    There is nothing about America that resembles, even at a surface level, a nation-state.

    It is an empire.

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  4. rgbact Inactive
    rgbact
    @romanblichar

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Listen to those interviews. I just don’t get why Trump is so horrible compared to the actual lack of conservative policies since Nixon or Reagan.

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-budget-deficit-widens-to-234-billion-in-february-2019-03-22

     

     

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Listen to those interviews. I just don’t get why Trump is so horrible compared to the actual lack of conservative policies since Nixon or Reagan.

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-budget-deficit-widens-to-234-billion-in-february-2019-03-22

     

     

    I never said that. That’s not what I’m saying.

    Reagan started it. No one cares. 

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Listen to those interviews. I just don’t get why Trump is so horrible compared to the actual lack of conservative policies since Nixon or Reagan.

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-budget-deficit-widens-to-234-billion-in-february-2019-03-22

    Why just one? Why can’t I pick two or three issues to worship Trump over?   

     

     

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Insta-slammed:

    FAILED MAGAZINE EDITOR BILL KRISTOL TRIED TO STIR UP SOME ATTENTION BY CALLING KURT SCHLICHTER A RACIST. It did not go well.

    Since it’s apparently okay to make a single lengthy post that is nothing but links to and summaries of nine separate articles at The Bulwank, I will follow suit and link to exactly one post at RedState:

    Bill Kristol’s Vanity Blog Attacks Kurt Schlichter In the Most Liberal Way Possible

    This Bulwark post isn’t serious, it is spank material for self-described true conservatives who never seem to have the time to worry about what the left is doing but a surfeit if time to tell the rest of us when it is appropriate to wear MAGA hats and what we must believe in order to be true conservatives.

    There is nothing remotely “alt-right” — this term actually means nothing more than “I find them icky” — or racially hostile in Kurt’s books. A wild eyed radical racist does not get invited by Hugh Hewitt to host his radio show for a week. He certainly doesn’t command a cavalry squadron and make colonel in the Army.

    What this guy, and The Bulwark, are doing is simply slandering people they don’t like, and people who regularly beat them like a rented mule on Twitter, and trying to label them as beyond The Pale. For that to happen, someone a) has to read that website and b) decide that a guy who seemed to make a habit of targeting conservative women on Twitter for boorish harassment is their thought leader. They showed in their vendetta against Selena Zito that they are perfectly willing to lie to accomplish the professional destruction of people who are better than they are. My guess is that it won’t work.

    @garyrobbins

    Defend this. Defend your Sainted magazine against this.

    That really isn’t my job. This is not unlike the question of “when did you stop beating your wife.” My point was that the Bulwark had changed its mission statement to be more inclusive and non-attacking of Trump. Instead of celebrating this evolution, some people want to keep on bashing The Bulwark for the sins of some of its writers and mistakes made in the past, and then demand that I defend those alleged transgressions. Not my job. If we were at a dinner party, would you really demand that I defend what someone else has done?

    I encourage you and others to go to The Bulwark from time to time to read their articles and listen to their Podcast, and to come to your own conclusion.

    The two best websites in my opinion are Ricochet and The Bulwark. There must be some interplay at work here.

    Nope. Nope. If you want to say “how can you support Trump when he does X?” which is a way of saying “your moral character must be bad for support of such a man”, then I can hold you to account for the immoral people you support .

    You have given full throated support of them. If you refuse to condem them, then you support them. They called Victor Davis Hanson a Nazi. If you don’t repudiate that , you agree.

     

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  8. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Listen to those interviews. I just don’t get why Trump is so horrible compared to the actual lack of conservative policies since Nixon or Reagan.

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    Can you knock off with the “worship” talk”? Nobody “worships” the President. It’s insulting for you to keep saying crap like this.

     

     

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  9. Max Ledoux Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):

    Just a note on linking offsite: You’re welcome to do it, max‘s hesitation was doing it on a blog roll on the sidebar. We need links in posts in order to properly attribute, etc.

    From an SEO point of view, outlinking is bad. So in the SEO training I took, they recommended citing the source rather than linking to it. :-)

    Respectfully, I think that’s a poor compromise when honest and rational discussion, versus, say, entertainment, is the goal. My chief objection to audio and video sources is that they are difficult to cite and difficult to fact check. Omitting external links in a post makes the post similarly difficult to fact check, context hard to verify, etc.

    I will generally continue to link sources when there’s a significant prospect of dispute or debate. I think that’s just a more responsible approach.

    When I see a post with numerous embedded links in it I get irritated as a reader. I don’t want to have to do homework in order to read a blog post. Just share the information with me in the post, don’t make me click off to some other site to read a 1,200 word post in order to have the context to understand the second paragraph of your 800 word post. And what if that 1,200 word post on a different site has its own 25 links? 

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

     

    When I see a post with numerous embedded links in it I get irritated as a reader. I don’t want to have to do homework in order to read a blog post. Just share the information with me in the post, don’t make me click off to some other site to read a 1,200 word post in order to have the context to understand the second paragraph of your 800 word post. And what if that 1,200 word post on a different site has its own 25 links?

    I like it when mentions of books include the Amazon links. I’ve bought several books, both kindle and paper versions, after clicking on somebody’s link here. But I’ve also bought some in cases where a link was not provided.  

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  11. Stina Inactive
    Stina
    @CM

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):

    Just a note on linking offsite: You’re welcome to do it, max‘s hesitation was doing it on a blog roll on the sidebar. We need links in posts in order to properly attribute, etc.

    From an SEO point of view, outlinking is bad. So in the SEO training I took, they recommended citing the source rather than linking to it. :-)

    Respectfully, I think that’s a poor compromise when honest and rational discussion, versus, say, entertainment, is the goal. My chief objection to audio and video sources is that they are difficult to cite and difficult to fact check. Omitting external links in a post makes the post similarly difficult to fact check, context hard to verify, etc.

    I will generally continue to link sources when there’s a significant prospect of dispute or debate. I think that’s just a more responsible approach.

    When I see a post with numerous embedded links in it I get irritated as a reader. I don’t want to have to do homework in order to read a blog post. Just share the information with me in the post, don’t make me click off to some other site to read a 1,200 word post in order to have the context to understand the second paragraph of your 800 word post. And what if that 1,200 word post on a different site has its own 25 links?

    Those are annoying.

    But if you provide the relevant quotes and link to the context, it is far more appropriate and stops dead in the water the “proof-checkers”.

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  12. rgbact Inactive
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    @romanblichar

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    I never said that. That’s not what I’m saying.

    Reagan started it. No one cares.

    You’re blaming Reagan now for last month’s record deficit?Does Trump take any blame?

     

     

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    rgbact (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    rgbact (View Comment):

    We just posted the largest monthly deficit ever in February. Yes, he’s horrible on deficits. Probably should pick another issue to worship Trump over.

    I never said that. That’s not what I’m saying.

    Reagan started it. No one cares.

    You’re blaming Reagan now for last month’s record deficit?Does Trump take any blame?

    No supposed ‘conservative’ has done anything to overhaul the system to stop this type of stuff. Spending and Fed easy money are the only things between us and a recession. Yelen should’ve started raising rates years ago. Why didn’t they? So Obama would look good. It’s structural.

    Look at the interview of representative Ken Buck on Full measure News and basically any interview or speech by representative Massie of Kentucky. You combine that with discretionary Fed policy, and there is only so much anyone can do. No one has shown any leadership, including Ronald Reagan, on this.

    To be fair, Reagan had the guts to stop inflation, and he knew that FED discretion had to be taken away but he only gets two terms.

    This is just my opinion, but I really think the hard decisions had to be made the second the Soviet Union fell. They didn’t do it. Why? Because everyone just wants to get past the next election.

    I’ve heard some stuff that Romney and Ryan were going to overhaul everything in this sense, but I don’t know how dependable that is.

    ***one edit***

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    @RufusRJones

    In other words, an ever worsening debt to GDP and a bunch of crazy social problems is really just baked into our system. The only issue is how fast or slow what happens. It’s basically all about increasing centralization and robbing from the future. Stealing with government.

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  15. Henry Racette Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Bethany Mandel (View Comment):

    Just a note on linking offsite: You’re welcome to do it, max‘s hesitation was doing it on a blog roll on the sidebar. We need links in posts in order to properly attribute, etc.

    From an SEO point of view, outlinking is bad. So in the SEO training I took, they recommended citing the source rather than linking to it. :-)

    Respectfully, I think that’s a poor compromise when honest and rational discussion, versus, say, entertainment, is the goal. My chief objection to audio and video sources is that they are difficult to cite and difficult to fact check. Omitting external links in a post makes the post similarly difficult to fact check, context hard to verify, etc.

    I will generally continue to link sources when there’s a significant prospect of dispute or debate. I think that’s just a more responsible approach.

    When I see a post with numerous embedded links in it I get irritated as a reader. I don’t want to have to do homework in order to read a blog post. Just share the information with me in the post, don’t make me click off to some other site to read a 1,200 word post in order to have the context to understand the second paragraph of your 800 word post. And what if that 1,200 word post on a different site has its own 25 links?

    I don’t like those “link dump” posts either. I usually ask people to either quote the relevant portion or restate it in their own words.

    However, a link dump is different from a link to the material you are quoting or critiquing. I might be persuaded that providing the URL without making it an actual link is an adequate alternative, but I’m still uncomfortable with the general approach of making the site less convenient in order to discourage people from wandering away.

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    The practice of questioning each other’s conservative sincerity is a bore, and I wish we wouldn’t do it. Arguments can stand or fall on their own without the sniping.

    For me, the whole Trump debate boils down to a few simple questions.

    1. Do you think having Trump for President is better, long term, than having any plausible Democratic challenger?
    2. Do you think forcing Trump off of the ticket would almost certainly result in a Democratic challenger winning in 2020?

    If you think the answer to both questions is “yes,” (and I do), then you shouldn’t be a harsh critic of Trump. Don’t vote for him if you can’t bring yourself to vote for him, but don’t relentlessly attack him because that’s contributing to the prospect of a Democratic victory.

    If you think the answer to either question is “no,” then we should discuss it like civilized adults. I think you’re mistaken, but I’m willing to assume good intentions on your part. And whether or not you’re any particular kind of conservative is irrelevant to that discussion.

    This merits a full OP.  My answers for the records are: 1. Maybe, 2. No.

    Gary

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would submit that your sarcasm about a fellow conservative website is not helpful.

    I would submit that your endless rants about “Orange Man Bad”, with countless exhortations to first deny him his office despite having won it, then endless exhortations to remove him from said office, finally encouraging the election of a number of the Insane Clown Party is not helpful.

    First, I do not recall any exhortations by me to deny Trump the Presidency.  He won the Electoral College fair and square.

    Second, I have suggested that there are constitutional methods for removing Trump, via Impeachment (and conviction) and the 25th Amendment.  Any effort to remove Trump would be by the Constitution that James Madison gave us.

    Third, I did recommend the voting for Democrats for the House as the Republicans in the House and Senate had been fully cowed by Trump, and were failing in their duty to provide an institutional check on Trump.  On the other hand, I supported the election of Republicans to the Senate, as the Senate is in the personnel business.  We lost the House by a gross 9% in 2018, while we had won the House by a gross .4% to 1.3% in 1996, 1998 and 2000.  We lost women, the educated, the young and the suburbs.   

    Fourth, I would suggest that references to the “Insane Clown Party” is not helpful. 

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Since Bethany snarked back at the Bulwark over this, and it was linked to by Twitchy on Friday, I’ll post this Bulwark head and her reply with the note that they’re obviously trying to troll conservatives here. But what’s the game-plan once you’ve posted things like this, to then come back, post-Trump, and claim you’re once again deserving of the right to be the intellectual avatars of the conservative movement because of your thoughtfulness and savvy acumen about the political world.

    When you post a headline like this, it’s the equivalent of a cranky 6-year-old throwing a tantrum and trying to annoy his parents and siblings — you can try and point at the more restrained pieces the Bulwark might publish, but that’s not what their leadership is trying to make their name doing — this is:

    My suggestion is that if you are going to condemn The Bulwark for an article titled “Is Socialism Really That Big of a Threat,” fair play would require that you provide a hyperlink to that article.  Here is that hyperlink.

    https://thebulwark.com/is-socialism-really-that-big-of-a-threat/

    Here is another article from the Bulwark titled “Socialism Chic; It’s back.  And it’s worse than ever.”

    https://thebulwark.com/socialism-chic/

    .
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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Greatest President of the Twentieth Century Ronald Reagan was never thought of as a Quisling…

    …despite your best efforts.

    How in the world have I tried to have President Reagan be thought of as a Quisling? I adore Reagan.

    You’re the only one that needs to have this explained, but the point is that you keep claiming Reagan as the patron saint of the anti-Trump, anti-sense political suicide cult. You’re not exactly making Reagan look good.

    My point is that Reagan is the ultimate Anti-Quisling. I don’t see how in the world you can claim that that “despite my best efforts” Reagan was thought of as a Quisling.

    Then it’s a good thing I never claimed as much.

    I try to avoid patting myself on the back, but I really like the term “political suicide cult.” If I may say so, it’s a very apt description of the sort of “conservativism” that aided and abetted the Democrat take-over of the House, and hopes the conservative incumbent faces a primary challenge in the next presidential race.

    In 2018 we lost the House by a gross 9% nationally, the worst result since the 1974 Watergate election.  By contrast in 1996, 1998 and 2000, we won the House by a gross .4% to 1.3% nationally.  We lost 7 governorship’s.  We have lost 400 legislators.  Sticking with Trump will be the death of the Republican Party.

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Insta-slammed:

    FAILED MAGAZINE EDITOR BILL KRISTOL TRIED TO STIR UP SOME ATTENTION BY CALLING KURT SCHLICHTER A RACIST. It did not go well.

    Since it’s apparently okay to make a single lengthy post that is nothing but links to and summaries of nine separate articles at The Bulwank, I will follow suit and link to exactly one post at RedState:

    Bill Kristol’s Vanity Blog Attacks Kurt Schlichter In the Most Liberal Way Possible

    This Bulwark post isn’t serious, it is spank material for self-described true conservatives who never seem to have the time to worry about what the left is doing but a surfeit if time to tell the rest of us when it is appropriate to wear MAGA hats and what we must believe in order to be true conservatives.

    There is nothing remotely “alt-right” — this term actually means nothing more than “I find them icky” — or racially hostile in Kurt’s books. A wild eyed radical racist does not get invited by Hugh Hewitt to host his radio show for a week. He certainly doesn’t command a cavalry squadron and make colonel in the Army.

    What this guy, and The Bulwark, are doing is simply slandering people they don’t like, and people who regularly beat them like a rented mule on Twitter, and trying to label them as beyond The Pale. For that to happen, someone a) has to read that website and b) decide that a guy who seemed to make a habit of targeting conservative women on Twitter for boorish harassment is their thought leader. They showed in their vendetta against Selena Zito that they are perfectly willing to lie to accomplish the professional destruction of people who are better than they are. My guess is that it won’t work.

    @garyrobbins

    Defend this. Defend your Sainted magazine against this.

    That really isn’t my job. This is not unlike the question of “when did you stop beating your wife.” My point was that the Bulwark had changed its mission statement to be more inclusive and non-attacking of Trump. Instead of celebrating this evolution, some people want to keep on bashing The Bulwark for the sins of some of its writers and mistakes made in the past, and then demand that I defend those alleged transgressions. Not my job. If we were at a dinner party, would you really demand that I defend what someone else has done?

    I encourage you and others to go to The Bulwark from time to time to read their articles and listen to their Podcast, and to come to your own conclusion.

    The two best websites in my opinion are Ricochet and The Bulwark. There must be some interplay at work here.

    Nope. Nope. If you want to say “how can you support Trump when he does X?” which is a way of saying “your moral character must be bad for support of such a man”, then I can hold you to account for the immoral people you support .

    You have given full throated support of them. If you refuse to condem them, then you support them. They called Victor Davis Hanson a Nazi. If you don’t repudiate that , you agree.

    The Bulwark did not call Victor Davis Hanson as a Nazi.  Period.  That was a shoddy review of The Bulwark’s review of VDH’s book.  What The Bulwark’s review actually said was:

    “This is not to say that Hanson’s book lacks value. As a part of a larger phenomenon, it is instructive in its way. Anyone with an iota of historical awareness is familiar with the fact that intellectuals in Europe and the United States lauded Joseph Stalin even as he sent millions to the Gulag and their death. By the same token, Adolf Hitler, one of the 20th century’s other mega-mass murderers, also found his share of admirers in the academy, among them such brilliant minds as Carl Schmitt and Martin Heidegger. An entire branch of Western scholarship was devoted to the adulation of the genocidal Mao Tse-tung. Whatever Trump’s authoritarian tendencies, it is a grotesque absurdity to compare him to history’s most terrible tyrants. My point is something else: If such monsters could find admirers among the highly educated, it is unsurprising that our infantile, ignorant leader has found an assortment of professors to sing his praises. Julian Benda wrote The Treason of the Intellectualsin 1927. With legitimate historians like Hanson abasing themselves to write what can only be called propaganda, Benda’s title, if not his entire argument, is perennially pertinent.”

    I think that you owe The Bulwark an apology.  The article is located at:

    https://thebulwark.com/sophistry-in-the-service-of-evil/

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  21. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Since Bethany snarked back at the Bulwark over this, and it was linked to by Twitchy on Friday, I’ll post this Bulwark head and her reply with the note that they’re obviously trying to troll conservatives here. But what’s the game-plan once you’ve posted things like this, to then come back, post-Trump, and claim you’re once again deserving of the right to be the intellectual avatars of the conservative movement because of your thoughtfulness and savvy acumen about the political world.

    When you post a headline like this, it’s the equivalent of a cranky 6-year-old throwing a tantrum and trying to annoy his parents and siblings — you can try and point at the more restrained pieces the Bulwark might publish, but that’s not what their leadership is trying to make their name doing — this is:

    My suggestion is that if you are going to condemn The Bulwark for an article titled “Is Socialism Really That Big of a Threat,” fair play would require that you provide a hyperlink to that article. Here is that hyperlink.

    https://thebulwark.com/is-socialism-really-that-big-of-a-threat/

    Here is another article from the Bulwark titled “Socialism Chic; It’s back. And it’s worse than ever.”

    https://thebulwark.com/socialism-chic/
    .

    Gary, why do you think the Bulwark posted a tweet with that headline, and how in your estimation does a tweet and an article like that help the conservative movement as a whole regain its ideological bearings in the wake of the Trump presidency? (remember we’re not talking the moral high ground here, but the ideological high ground in the debate over big government socialist policies, which was the point Bethany was getting at with her Twitter reply)

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  22. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Joshua Bissey (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Greatest President of the Twentieth Century Ronald Reagan was never thought of as a Quisling…

    …despite your best efforts.

    How in the world have I tried to have President Reagan be thought of as a Quisling? I adore Reagan.

    You’re the only one that needs to have this explained, but the point is that you keep claiming Reagan as the patron saint of the anti-Trump, anti-sense political suicide cult. You’re not exactly making Reagan look good.

    My point is that Reagan is the ultimate Anti-Quisling. I don’t see how in the world you can claim that that “despite my best efforts” Reagan was thought of as a Quisling.

    Then it’s a good thing I never claimed as much.

    I try to avoid patting myself on the back, but I really like the term “political suicide cult.” If I may say so, it’s a very apt description of the sort of “conservativism” that aided and abetted the Democrat take-over of the House, and hopes the conservative incumbent faces a primary challenge in the next presidential race.

    In 2018 we lost the House by a gross 9% nationally, the worst result since the 1974 Watergate election. By contrast in 1996, 1998 and 2000, we won the House by a gross .4% to 1.3% nationally. We lost 7 governorship’s. We have lost 400 legislators. Sticking with Trump will be the death of the Republican Party.

    Just like sticking with Obama was the death of the Democrat party.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    25th Amendment

    Go on.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Republicans in the House and Senate had been fully cowed by Trump, and were failing in their duty to provide an institutional check on Trump.

    What on earth is this about?

    • #203
  24. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Since Bethany snarked back at the Bulwark over this, and it was linked to by Twitchy on Friday, I’ll post this Bulwark head and her reply with the note that they’re obviously trying to troll conservatives here. But what’s the game-plan once you’ve posted things like this, to then come back, post-Trump, and claim you’re once again deserving of the right to be the intellectual avatars of the conservative movement because of your thoughtfulness and savvy acumen about the political world.

    When you post a headline like this, it’s the equivalent of a cranky 6-year-old throwing a tantrum and trying to annoy his parents and siblings — you can try and point at the more restrained pieces the Bulwark might publish, but that’s not what their leadership is trying to make their name doing — this is:

    My suggestion is that if you are going to condemn The Bulwark for an article titled “Is Socialism Really That Big of a Threat,” fair play would require that you provide a hyperlink to that article. Here is that hyperlink.

    https://thebulwark.com/is-socialism-really-that-big-of-a-threat/

    Here is another article from the Bulwark titled “Socialism Chic; It’s back. And it’s worse than ever.”

    https://thebulwark.com/socialism-chic/
    .

    Gary, why do you think the Bulwark posted a tweet with that headline, and how in your estimation does a tweet and an article like that help the conservative movement as a whole regain its ideological bearings in the wake of the Trump presidency? (remember we’re not talking the moral high ground here, but the ideological high ground in the debate over big government socialist policies, which was the point Bethany was getting at with her Twitter reply)

    It wasn’t a tweet, it was an article.  There is an old adage that one should not judge a book by its cover.  A corollary would be that one should not judge an article by its title.  To balance this assertion, here is a portion of that article:

    “Is the threat (or promise) of socialism the defining issue of 21st century politics? Many Republicans seem to think so. ‘They want to take your pickup truck,’ the former deputy assistant to the US President, Sebastian Gorka, told the Conservative Political Action Conference earlier this month. ‘They want to rebuild your home. They want to take away your hamburgers. This is what Stalin dreamt about but never achieved.’

    “Color me skeptical—both about culture wars receding into history and about the abstract idea of ‘socialism’ being in the foreground of coming political fights.

    “Yes, left-wing firebrands such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez have embraced the label of  ‘democratic socialism’ and have pushed an economic agenda that would expand the role of government significantly—Medicare for all, Green New Deal, and steep marginal tax rates would be all large departures from the status quo. It also makes perfect political sense for the GOP to try to mobilize rhetorically against the real or imagined prospect of the left’s turning the United States, through such policies, into the next Venezuela.

    “But upon closer inspection the right’s bashing of socialism rings a little hollow—and not just because of Gorka’s bombast. Yes, AOC’s proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system. …

    “In other words, the abstract distinction between ‘socialism’ and small government seems to be of little relevance to substantive policy questions. It also carries little political salience for the ongoing political realignments. Both La République en Marche in France and the Independent Group in the U.K., to take just two examples of emerging political forces on the ‘open’ side of the spectrum, would be hard to pin down in size-of-government terms.

    “Notwithstanding the recent rhetoric on this side of the Atlantic, it would be extremely odd, to say the least, if the post-Trump political parties in the United States defined themselves using such vocabulary in a durable way. It may be therefore time for everyone involved, left and right, to leave the socialism talk to the 1980s, where it belongs.

    • #204
  25. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Since Bethany snarked back at the Bulwark over this, and it was linked to by Twitchy on Friday, I’ll post this Bulwark head and her reply with the note that they’re obviously trying to troll conservatives here. But what’s the game-plan once you’ve posted things like this, to then come back, post-Trump, and claim you’re once again deserving of the right to be the intellectual avatars of the conservative movement because of your thoughtfulness and savvy acumen about the political world.

    When you post a headline like this, it’s the equivalent of a cranky 6-year-old throwing a tantrum and trying to annoy his parents and siblings — you can try and point at the more restrained pieces the Bulwark might publish, but that’s not what their leadership is trying to make their name doing — this is:

    My suggestion is that if you are going to condemn The Bulwark for an article titled “Is Socialism Really That Big of a Threat,” fair play would require that you provide a hyperlink to that article. Here is that hyperlink.

    https://thebulwark.com/is-socialism-really-that-big-of-a-threat/

    Here is another article from the Bulwark titled “Socialism Chic; It’s back. And it’s worse than ever.”

    https://thebulwark.com/socialism-chic/
    .

    Gary, why do you think the Bulwark posted a tweet with that headline, and how in your estimation does a tweet and an article like that help the conservative movement as a whole regain its ideological bearings in the wake of the Trump presidency? (remember we’re not talking the moral high ground here, but the ideological high ground in the debate over big government socialist policies, which was the point Bethany was getting at with her Twitter reply)

    See Comment #204.

    • #205
  26. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    If the government is running out of money and they’re proposing wealth taxation…literally…well…

    • #206
  27. Jon1979 Inactive
    Jon1979
    @Jon1979

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    “But upon closer inspection the right’s bashing of socialism rings a little hollow—and not just because of Gorka’s bombast. Yes, AOC’s proposals are misguided but they are unlikely steps toward a planned economy, show trials, or the gulag system.

    We’ve just gotten through 24 months of people loyal to the former Executive Branch leadership making a concerted effort to de-legitimize the current Executive Branch through the criminal justice system. And many people on the left were truly irked with Obama in 2009 because while they knew during the 2008 political campaign that Obama was, if not lying, at least remaining a cypher about his political positions to moderate swing voters (so that they could paint whatever image of Obama they wanted to paint), they also believed Obama was hiding/lying his true political temperament.

    They knew the first African-American president could not campaign as an aggressive, progressive Alpha male, or swing voters would think Al Sharpton, and he wouldn’t have even beaten Hillary in the primaries, let alone McCain in the general election. But they thought once in office, he would become that type of ruler and shut down his and their ideological enemies, via use of the federal government powers.

    These are the people who don’t just believe is socialism, they’re the ones who were mad that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld weren’t arrested and tried for war crimes by the summer of ’09. And that’s the mindset of the AOC crowd. The fact that the Bulwark downplays their commitment to both government control of the state and making sure their enemies never regain power is an indication that their distaste for Trump has led them to seek his removal in 2020 by Any Means Necessary. And if that means four years of a far left Executive Branch, well, you can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. They just attempt to downplay the True Believer mindset of those people at their own peril.

    • #207
  28. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In 2018 we lost the House by a gross 9% nationally, the worst result since the 1974 Watergate election. By contrast in 1996, 1998 and 2000, we won the House by a gross .4% to 1.3% nationally. We lost 7 governorship’s. We have lost 400 legislators. Sticking with Trump will be the death of the Republican Party.

    You keep saying that.  You’ve said it enough.  Now, let’s just wait and see if you’re right or wrong.  You’re going to look pretty silly if the Republicans sweep in 2020.

    • #208
  29. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    The ACA is a scam to force single-payer.

    • #209
  30. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Fourth, I would suggest that references to the “Insane Clown Party” is not helpful.

    I suppose “insane clown party” is probably too nice a term for them. Given that they’re a bunch of Jew-hating, baby-killing racists, how about just “evil”?

     

    • #210
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