Jeb Miffed There’s No Bush as Prez

 

Jeb Bush thought America should have three consecutive Republican Presidents from the same immediate family. Think about that.

In his “defense,” he may have known, either consciously or unconsciously, that if nominated, he would lose. I’m not ruling that out as a possibility seeing him and his family in light of transpired events.

I also wonder if Jeb thought about how his entrance into the field of Republican wannabes would affect other candidates and may (if he failed to get the nomination) scuttle the chances of Marco Rubio especially — a fully qualified candidate who held very similar policy views as the Bush family. This is essentially what happened as we look back.

Jeb raised a whopping $100 million, much of which would have gone to Rubio, as well as the endorsement of the Bush network and the famiglia Cespuglio itself. Trump would not have had much chance to emerge against a united establishment behind a young dynamic candidate with early momentum.

Now Jeb believes Republicans should have a “choice” in 2020. I don’t remember if he had the same sentiment in 2004 when his brother ran for re-election.

He likes moderate Republican from Maryland Governor Hogan as a primary challenger.

Two questions: Why should anyone, even establishment Republicans, listen to to the political advice or preferences of this guy?

Do these people — Jeb!, Bill Kristol, Max Boot, Jen Rubin, et al. — not see how whomever they tout and support for 2024 will be anathema to even the most reluctant Trump voter?

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  1. Instugator Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):
    Mod note: You can’t ask Gary to explain *and* to stay away from your leg. The two are contradictory. Pick one. Mongo’s point with the analogy was about when it’s not worthwhile to engage.

    Just letting him know I’m not that kind of girl (or guy).

    Nor am I, but apparently … is, per Comment 81. Sad. Very sad.

    Aaaand he humps the leg anyway.

    Can’t help it, I guess.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump threatening to put Hillary in jail is one of the best examples of why he is disqualified.

    I would say it was one of the best examples of why he won the election . . .

    It hardened my heart. It reminded me of authoritarian rulers of banana republics, and the nightmares of the middle 20th Century.

    So you had no problem with Hillary generally. The Clinton Foundation pay to play scandals, the casual if not extremely negligent handling of classified information, the Uranium one deal with Russia?

    Hillary was corrupt and entitled.

    It’s okay, you’re fully aligned with the Bush, Max Boot, Bill Kristol wing of the neoconservative movement. Reagan notsomuch.

    I voted for the Republican candidates for Senator and Governor.  

    This is why we can’t have a nice party. Hasta la vista, baby!

    I am not leaving.  This is my party, and I am working for the restoration of the Party of Reagan.

    Query: Why do 40-45% of Republicans in Iowa and New Hampshire would welcome a Republican Primary?

     

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  3. cdor Member
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    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Brian Clendinen (View Comment):

    I said this before. And I’ll say it again. Jeb is more conservative then his brother. He was a great extremely fiscally conservative Florida governor. His biggest problems that he was not conservative on was immigration, pro common core, and his last name. Jeb has always been the most conservative out of the political group/friends he Associates with. So a Jeb presidency would have had a much more moderate cabinet than Trump ironically. Even though Jeb is way more conservative than Trump. Since We had so many great options. It would have been bad for the country to have another Bush.

    Could Jeb have won?? Would he have said this??

    Not sure what the heck that has to due with the Argument. The debate is not weather Trump was the better pick or if Jeb would of beat Hillary. The post was defending Jeb that his voting Record and policy wise he is very Conservative and not a RINO except in two major areas. I get sick of the Ad Homa attacks on his character. Our problem in our nation is we dont judge a politician on their actions like we should. We judge them on their words. We have msn and the media attacking our guys enough. We need to stop blanket generalization attacks on our people when we agree with 80% of there platform and voting record. Attack the specific areas you disagree with. Dont attack their general stance or character because your to ignorant to see based on their actions to see if those generalization hold true. Ther are plenty of Republican smooth talkers hat deserve the criticism based on their actions. To attack the guys that have and would move the overall needle to be more conservative is just idiotic and self destructive.

    Hey buddy, sorry I hurt your feelings. My stated complaint about Jeb was his behavior after he got steamrolled by Trump and how Jeb has behaved since. What AD Homa are you speaking of? And how would you define using this phrase. “because your to ignorant to see” in a conversation with someone? [ I assume you meant “you’re” and not your ].  Jeb needs to take some lessons from Ted Cruz in how to handle a primary loss. Maybe he just thinks he is owed a victory…because he’s a Bush??? Like I said from the get go on this thread, I didn’t previously have a problem with your man, Jeb. I thought he did a good job in Florida as Governor. I think it’s been all downhill since.

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  4. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes. However, only banana republics jail their opponents.

    It’s hard to believe that you actually mean this.  What if your opponent is an actual criminal, as there’s pretty good evidence that Hillary is?  Do you let them ignore the law because they’re high-ranking politicians?  That’s totally contrary to the concept of the rule of law.

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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes. However, only banana republics jail their opponents.

    It’s hard to believe that you actually mean this. What if your opponent is an actual criminal, as there’s pretty good evidence that Hillary is? Do you let them ignore the law because they’re high-ranking politicians? That’s totally contrary to the concept of the rule of law.

    A more correct statement for Gary would be “only banana republics jail their opponents for being their opponents.”

    There’s nothing ill-considered or unreasonable or banana-republic-ish about jailing political opponents for being criminals.

     

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  6. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Yes. However, only banana republics jail their opponents.

    It’s hard to believe that you actually mean this. What if your opponent is an actual criminal, as there’s pretty good evidence that Hillary is? Do you let them ignore the law because they’re high-ranking politicians? That’s totally contrary to the concept of the rule of law.

    A more correct statement for Gary would be “only banana republics jail their opponents for being their opponents.”

    There’s nothing ill-considered or unreasonable or banana-republic-ish about jailing political opponents for being criminals.

    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt. But if you don’t charge them at all, you’re basically saying that certain politicians, if they rise high enough up in the pecking order, are deemed to be “Too Big to Fail”. But worse than that, if  in the future people in power make that rule situational — i.e., Hillary faces no legal peril for her violations as Secretary of State while the law swoops in on Trump the moment he leaves office for things he did prior to 2016 — then you’re potentially asking for real trouble.

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  7. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt

    How you get this?  All I see is an admission by Nixon that he did not want to be publicly tore apart and jailed.  

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  8. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt

    How you get this? All I see is an admission by Nixon that he did not want to be publicly tore apart and jailed.

    Not a direct but a de facto admission. Nixon could have stood and fought the charges and rejected Ford’s pardon.

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt

    How you get this? All I see is an admission by Nixon that he did not want to be publicly tore apart and jailed.

    Not a direct but a de facto admission. Nixon could have stood and fought the charges and rejected Ford’s pardon.

    Ah, the de facto admission.  Most people that believe in this tripe have not actually been in legal jeopardy where its their body, livelihood, family, future, past, existence and freedom on the line.  This is why most plea bargains are BS.  When the full force of the government with is mighty resources come to bear on you, well you take the easiest, least expensive way out.  

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  10. Instugator Thatcher
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt.

    Accepting a fait accompli does not equal acceptance of guilt.

    (Although I was unaware when I started this comment that the SCOTUS has ruled that to be valid, a Pardon had to be accepted – US V Wilson. I think that is unique among executive action.)

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  11. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jon1979 (View Comment):
    Even Ford’s pardon of Nixon was an admission by Nixon in accepting it of his guilt.

    Accepting a fait accompli does not equal acceptance of guilt.

    (Although I was unaware when I started this comment that the SCOTUS has ruled that to be valid, a Pardon had to be accepted – US V Wilson. I think that is unique among executive action.)

    Not in actuality. But Nixon’s “I gave them a sword” comment to David Frost in his interviews on Wateragte pretty much showed Nixon at the very least had come to terms with accepting blame for the foul-ups committed under his watch that led to his resignation and the pardon.

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  12. aardo vozz Member
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    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    No more Bushes, no more Clintons.

    I actually don’t have anything against Jeb. But I think you are correct here. I was first eligible to vote for president in 1980. Since then , there has been only ONE presidential election I voted in (2012) where someone named Bush or Clinton was NOT running for president or on their party’s ticket. Enough already.

    P.S. As an FYI, George Herbert Walker Bush was a candidate for president or Vice President in FOUR STRAIGHT presidential elections.

    And also TWENTY CONSECUTIVE years where someone named Bush or Clinton WAS president.

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  13. Miffed White Male Member
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    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… (View Comment):

    No more Bushes, no more Clintons.

    I actually don’t have anything against Jeb. But I think you are correct here. I was first eligible to vote for president in 1980. Since then , there has been only ONE presidential election I voted in (2012) where someone named Bush or Clinton was NOT running for president or on their party’s ticket. Enough already.

    P.S. As an FYI, George Herbert Walker Bush was a candidate for president or Vice President in FOUR STRAIGHT presidential elections.

    And also TWENTY CONSECUTIVE years where someone named Bush or Clinton WAS president.

    From 1952 to 2008, there was one presidential election that didn’t have a Nixon, bush or dole on the ballot. 

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  14. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    And also TWENTY CONSECUTIVE years where someone named Bush or Clinton WAS president.

    ????

    It’s fair to say that we have had 12 years of Bush’s as president.  Why include the Clinton’s to make it 20 years?  You can use the 20 year argument about anyone who got elected in between.

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  15. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    From 1952 to 2008, there was one presidential election that didn’t have a Nixon, bush or dole on the ballot. 

    So what?  You’re including vice presidential runs and failed presidential attempts where the candidate finally won.  And you’re including Bob Dole?  One vice presidential run and one presidential run (really as a sacrificial candidate against a president running for re-election.  These arguments look to be over reach to me.

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  16. Miffed White Male Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    From 1952 to 2008, there was one presidential election that didn’t have a Nixon, bush or dole on the ballot.

    So what? You’re including vice presidential runs and failed presidential attempts where the candidate finally won. And you’re including Bob Dole? One vice presidential run and one presidential run (really as a sacrificial candidate against a president running for re-election. These arguments look to be over reach to me.

    Never ascribed any significance to it. Just an interesting quirk of history. 

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  17. aardo vozz Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    aardo vozz (View Comment):

    And also TWENTY CONSECUTIVE years where someone named Bush or Clinton WAS president.

    ????

    It’s fair to say that we have had 12 years of Bush’s as president. Why include the Clinton’s to make it 20 years? You can use the 20 year argument about anyone who got elected in between.

    True. But I included them because after Bill Clinton left the White House, he and Hillary were trying to get back in.  This is not a criticism of the Bushes or the Clintons. I’m just saying it would be nice to have some other choices.

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