QotD: Celebrity Historian Dubs Obama a Genius, Without Evidence

 

Beschloss: “This is a guy [Obama] whose IQ is off the charts.”

Imus: “Well, what is his IQ?”

Beschloss: “Pardon?”

Imus: “What is his IQ?”

Beschloss: “Uh, I would say it’s probably — he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become president.”

The author of the article where I found this quote then comments, “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

It’s revealing that Beschloss was unprepared for the most straightforward response to his statement. Imus’s “Well, what is his IQ?” is not a gotcha question. Beschloss viewed his comment as so obviously correct that he was nonplussed by Imus asking for details. Why does Bescholss view Obama as a genius? Is it because he repeated Leftist shibboleths that Beschloss thinks are the epitome of intelligence. Had Beschloss ever seen Obama struggle off Teleprompter? Beschloss is obviously a lazy expert.

In the age of Trump, many people are no longer willing to listen to such people, even if they claim to be conservative cognoscenti.

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    In any event, high IQ isn’t everything. 

    A high school friend was extremely high IQ, but later when he became a parent, he could not understand why a diaper needed a plastic outer layer.

    There are a lot of factors that I would rate more important for a US President than high IQ.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    He seemed to me to be fairly intelligent. Maybe not as intelligent as Sarah Palin, but he is up there.

    A truly intelligent person, especially one who’s supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar and Professor, wouldn’t be so consistently wrong about the Constitution and etc.

    Being intelligent doesn’t mean you get things right. It just means you’re capable of more convoluted ways of being wrong. 

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  3. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    I still go back to the idea that a guy with such a wide streak of narcissism would have produced his transcripts quickly and smartly if they showed him scoring 90+ percentile, in, well, anything.

    The fact that he refused to provide transcripts, and there are zero publications of his during his law review tenure, tells you exactly who he is.

    Next question.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: It’s revealing that Beschloss was unprepared for the most straightforward response to his statement. Imus’s “Well, what is his IQ?” is not a gotcha question. Beschloss viewed his comment as so obviously correct that he was nonplussed by Imus asking for details.

    This tendency to assume a conclusion based on desires infects many places.

    A church to which I previously belonged had a missions committee that vetted the missions the church supported. More than once when the committee asked a support-seeking organization about documented results and not just intentions, the organization had no data or evidence. The organization seemed to think that intentions or wanting to achieve a result were enough, and didn’t do any measuring of results to document their success. “Just believe us; we don’t need to produce evidence.”

    The fudging of data can be even more devious.

    For example, in some (many? most?) climatology studies that examine the temperature record to determine if there’s a link between global temperature and CO2, when there are gaps in the temperature record they use computer models to estimate the missing data, and those models assume that there’s a link between global temperature and CO2.

    It’s sorta kinda like if a study to determine a link between IQ and race filled in data gaps by assuming a link between IQ and race.

    “The IQ number for this guy is smudged on the form.”

    “Just plug in the average IQ for his race.”

    But if that happened to Obama, the result would be less than 100.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    He seemed to me to be fairly intelligent. Maybe not as intelligent as Sarah Palin, but he is up there.

    A truly intelligent person, especially one who’s supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar and Professor, wouldn’t be so consistently wrong about the Constitution and etc.

    Being intelligent doesn’t mean you get things right. It just means you’re capable of more convoluted ways of being wrong.

    Which is what leads to expressions such as “An idea so ridiculous, only someone with a Ph.D could believe it.”

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    I seem to recall that the PSAT was used to identify National Merit semi-finalists, and you became a finalist if your SAT was high enough. Mine was high enough.

    I test well. That is all that means.

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  7. Manny Coolidge
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    Elitist all think they’re smarter than us common folk. They praise each other and look down at us. 

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  8. Arahant Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But even if they weren’t, can you even compare tests that are decades apart? How much have tests like the SAT and ACT changed over the decades? Is there even a standardized IQ test out there? 

    It is fairly well known how the tests have changed, such that qualifications for Mensa or The Triple Nine Society take into consideration what year the tests were taken. As for standardized IQ tests, yes, they are out there. Jordan Peterson discusses them frequently.

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  9. Arahant Member
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    The Great Adventure! (View Comment):
    One of the school Deans confessed to me directly that they like to find “outliers” who skewed their average upwards.

    That’s how I wound up at the University of Chicago. They wanted their scores skewed upwards. And they had a really hot admissions recruiter.

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  10. Arahant Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Being intelligent doesn’t mean you get things right. It just means you’re capable of more convoluted ways of being wrong.

    This needs to be framed and posted in every university classroom.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Being intelligent doesn’t mean you get things right. It just means you’re capable of more convoluted ways of being wrong.

    This needs to be framed and posted in every university classroom.

    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-01-21

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  12. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

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  13. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

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  14. Judge Mental Member
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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

    You should surround yourself with layers and layers of cheerleaders to stay safe.

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  15. Mike "Lash" LaRoche Inactive
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

    You should surround yourself with layers and layers of cheerleaders to stay safe.

    Done!

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Has anyone read the writing of President Jefferson who could also play the violin and design buildings? How does Obama (or any modern President for that matter) even begin to compare to Jefferson?

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Has anyone read the writing of President Jefferson who could also play the violin and design buildings? How does Obama (or any modern President for that matter) even begin to compare to Jefferson?

    Herbert Hoover compares fairly well. Nixon financed his first congressional campaign by playing poker. If that is not on the same scale, it’s close enough for me. Actually, Trump fares pretty well, building buildings, becoming a reality TV star, etc.

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  18. Arahant Member
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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

    You should surround yourself with layers and layers of cheerleaders to stay safe.

    Done!

    Mike’s in there somewhere, but we’re pretty sure he’s safe.

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  19. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

    You should surround yourself with layers and layers of cheerleaders to stay safe.

    Done!

    Mike’s in there somewhere, but we’re pretty sure he’s safe.

    Nope.  Too much peril.

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  20. Chris Campion Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Has anyone read the writing of President Jefferson who could also play the violin and design buildings? How does Obama (or any modern President for that matter) even begin to compare to Jefferson?

    People love people who are smart!

    I had a consultant working for our team who had a PhD.  She was smart!

    And…we let her go.  Because she couldn’t deliver quality work. In fact, she couldn’t deliver much at all, except what we specifically didn’t ask for, and she dropped a lot of details, and couldn’t manage her own tasks, which is 101 in business.

    I liked her a lot.  But even simple things she couldn’t seem to manage to complete.  It was weird.  But she was smart!

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  21. Arahant Member
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    Chris Campion (View Comment):
    But she was smart!

    Just ask her.

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  22. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    During the 2016 Presidential campaign I saw an article announcing that Hillary, if elected, would be the smartest president ever — by IQ. Oh, the narrative.

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  23. JimGoneWild Coolidge
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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Over the Ph.Ds’ dead bodies.

    You say that as if that would somehow be an obstacle.

    Hey! 😎

    You should surround yourself with layers and layers of cheerleaders to stay safe.

    Done!

    Layer me up!

     

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  24. Percival Thatcher
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    JimGoneWild (View Comment):

    During the 2016 Presidential campaign I saw an article announcing that Hillary, if elected, would be the smartest president ever — by IQ. Oh, the narrative.

    The Smartest Candidate Ever would have spent a weekend in Wisconsin.

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  25. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    JimGoneWild (View Comment):

    During the 2016 Presidential campaign I saw an article announcing that Hillary, if elected, would be the smartest president ever — by IQ. Oh, the narrative.

    The Smartest Candidate Ever would have spent a weekend in Wisconsin.

    It’s too bad that the Russkies stole all her maps.

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  26. Manny Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    He seemed to me to be fairly intelligent. Maybe not as intelligent as Sarah Palin, but he is up there.

    A truly intelligent person, especially one who’s supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar and Professor, wouldn’t be so consistently wrong about the Constitution and etc.

    Being intelligent doesn’t mean you get things right. It just means you’re capable of more convoluted ways of being wrong.

    Reminds me of what a fellow once said was his Irish mother’s favorite saying when it came to people like this. She was fond of saying “that he was educated beyond his intelligence.”

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Chris Campion (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Has anyone read the writing of President Jefferson who could also play the violin and design buildings? How does Obama (or any modern President for that matter) even begin to compare to Jefferson?

    People love people who are smart!

    I had a consultant working for our team who had a PhD. She was smart!

    And…we let her go. Because she couldn’t deliver quality work. In fact, she couldn’t deliver much at all, except what we specifically didn’t ask for, and she dropped a lot of details, and couldn’t manage her own tasks, which is 101 in business.

    I liked her a lot. But even simple things she couldn’t seem to manage to complete. It was weird. But she was smart!

    This calls for the Dilbert strip again.

    https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-01-21

     

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  28. David Knights Member
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    I believe it was President Garfield who could write Greek with his left hand while writing the same thing in Latin with his right hand. 

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    David Knights (View Comment):

    I believe it was President Garfield who could write Greek with his left hand while writing the same thing in Latin with his right hand.

    That’s nothing.  President Clinton could speak out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. 

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    David Knights (View Comment):

    I believe it was President Garfield who could write Greek with his left hand while writing the same thing in Latin with his right hand.

    That’s nothing. President Clinton could speak out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.

    While his cigar was doing something else entirely!

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