QotD: Celebrity Historian Dubs Obama a Genius, Without Evidence

 

Beschloss: “This is a guy [Obama] whose IQ is off the charts.”

Imus: “Well, what is his IQ?”

Beschloss: “Pardon?”

Imus: “What is his IQ?”

Beschloss: “Uh, I would say it’s probably — he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become president.”

The author of the article where I found this quote then comments, “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

It’s revealing that Beschloss was unprepared for the most straightforward response to his statement. Imus’s “Well, what is his IQ?” is not a gotcha question. Beschloss viewed his comment as so obviously correct that he was nonplussed by Imus asking for details. Why does Bescholss view Obama as a genius? Is it because he repeated Leftist shibboleths that Beschloss thinks are the epitome of intelligence. Had Beschloss ever seen Obama struggle off Teleprompter? Beschloss is obviously a lazy expert.

In the age of Trump, many people are no longer willing to listen to such people, even if they claim to be conservative cognoscenti.

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  1. Misthiocracy secretly Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    According to PrepScholar, the average ACT score at Occidental is 30 (which is what they claim was BHO’s score), and the average SAT is 1320 (which is slightly less than what they claim for BHO).

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Thejokewasonme (View Comment):
    Thanks for the welcome, Arahant.

    Sure, and the backroom bar of Ricochet is called The PIT.

    More like a waterfront dive where the barmaid has a patch over one eye.

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  3. Vectorman Inactive
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    Remember Bill Clinton was the smartest ever, and then they said Al Gore was so damn smart nobody could understand what he was talking about.

    Bill Clinton was a “Rhodes Scholar,” but Al Gore was like Barack Obama, a mediocre student who:

    … fell in love with scientific and mathematical theories, but he did not do well in science classes and avoided taking math. During his first two years, his grades placed him in the lower one-fifth of his class.

    He also “attended Vanderbilt University Divinity School (1971–72) on a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for people planning secular careers.” (?)

    GLDIII Intermittently Non Esse… (View Comment):
    Well at least I beat Al “I invented the internet” Gore.

    If Al Gore avoided taking Math, his SAT score was a combo of Math and Verbal, and I sincerely doubt he came close to successful Engineering SAT scores.


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  4. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    dnewlander (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    According to PrepScholar, the average ACT score at Occidental is 30 (which is what they claim was BHO’s score), and the average SAT is 1320 (which is slightly less than what they claim for BHO).

    Sounds like they just took the Oxy average. The simple fact is that, due to affirmative action, if Obama had average scores for Oxy, he would have gotten into Cal or an Ivy instead.

     

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    He seemed to me to be fairly intelligent. Maybe not as intelligent as Sarah Palin, but he is up there.

    A truly intelligent person, especially one who’s supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar and Professor, wouldn’t be so consistently wrong about the Constitution and etc.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    But remember, he claimed racial/foreigner preference/affirmative action.

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    Arahant (View Comment):

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    Thanks for the welcome, Arahant.

    Sure, and the backroom bar of Ricochet is called The PIT.

    Ah, ha!  So, there is a dark side.  I thought as much.  Thanks!

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  8. Misthiocracy secretly Member
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    SAT scores have been re-normed and more recent scores are higher as a result. Don’t know when those on the list took the test, but this has likely happened before. Surely you’ve all seen some of the high school exams from the late 1800s-early 1900s that would be tough for college graduates to pass these days.

    Not to mention…SAT scores tell nothing more than a person’s ability to do well on a multiple choice test and, if Kaplan and the other test prep services are to be believed, that ability can be artificially enhanced. It is not a stand-in for a properly administered IQ test.

    My grandfather never attended high school. The nearest one was twenty miles away. He helped with the farm after finishing eighth grade and studied in the evenings. After a year, he took a test that the state offered. If you scored well enough, you got credit for a high school education. If you did significantly better than that, you got a teaching certificate as well. That is how he ended up teaching when he was sixteen. (Some of his students were older than he was, but he was bigger than they were, so that worked out okay.)

    I saw an old copy of that test. Those questions were tough.

    My dad likes to tell a story about how when he was a teenager the final exam represented 100% of a student’s grade for senior high school credits, and anybody could take the exam at the end of the year.  He discovered he was missing a History credit so he borrowed the textbook from a friend and took the exam.  The friend, who had perfect classroom attendance, was pretty mad that my dad scored higher on that exam despite never setting foot in the classroom.

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  9. Misthiocracy secretly Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    He seemed to me to be fairly intelligent. Maybe not as intelligent as Sarah Palin, but he is up there.

    A truly intelligent person, especially one who’s supposed to be a Constitutional Scholar and Professor, wouldn’t be so consistently wrong about the Constitution and etc.

    He’s a constitutional expert in that he’s an expert at pushing the limits of what the Supreme Court will allow.  That takes both education and talent.

    (Counter-argument: In his short career as a practicing attorney, he never participated in any constitutional challenge before the Supreme Court.  One could argue that the White House legal staff were the real experts.)

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  10. GLDIII Intermittently Non Esse… Reagan
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    Remember Bill Clinton was the smartest ever, and then they said Al Gore was so damn smart nobody could understand what he was talking about.

    Bill Clinton was a “Rhodes Scholar,” but Al Gore was like Barack Obama, a mediocre student who:

    … fell in love with scientific and mathematical theories, but he did not do well in science classes and avoided taking math. During his first two years, his grades placed him in the lower one-fifth of his class.

    He also “attended Vanderbilt University Divinity School (1971–72) on a Rockefeller Foundation scholarship for people planning secular careers.” (?)

    GLDIII Intermittently Non Esse… (View Comment):
    Well at least I beat Al “I invented the internet” Gore.

    If Al Gore avoided taking Math, his SAT score was a combo of Math and Verbal, and I sincerely doubt he came close to successful Engineering SAT scores.


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  11. dnewlander Inactive
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    Not in 1979 they weren’t. They did the first re-vamp (dumb down) of the tests shortly after that.

    Look at the ACT score.

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  12. Miffed White Male Member
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score.  That’s top 5%-ish.  For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

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  13. Judge Mental Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

    I know for a fact that in 1979 1340 was National Merit Scholar (99.5%+).  I know because I was with a lower score.

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    According to PrepScholar, the average ACT score at Occidental is 30 (which is what they claim was BHO’s score), and the average SAT is 1320 (which is slightly less than what they claim for BHO).

    That’s now.  The test scores (and grade inflation thereof)  have changed a *lot* since 1978/1979 (which is when Obama and I took the tests).

     

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  15. Valiuth Member
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):
    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    So that link has the ACT score of LBJ. Now call me skeptical but LBJ would have been in high-school in the mid 20’s I guess like 1926. Now the ACT wasn’t instituted until 1959. So did he take this test as an adult, while Vice President? 

    Yah.. I think we can safely assume these scores are pulled out of thin air. But even if they weren’t, can you even compare tests that are decades apart? How much have tests like the SAT and ACT changed over the decades? Is there even a standardized IQ test out there? 

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  16. Nancy Spalding Inactive
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    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    He could have gotten in as a foreign exchange student; they were desperate to boost their international/ racial diversity, and foreign students are not usually held to the same standards as Americans. 

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  17. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Richard Easton: It’s revealing that Beschloss was unprepared for the most straightforward response to his statement. Imus’s “Well, what is his IQ?” is not a gotcha question. Beschloss viewed his comment as so obviously correct that he was nonplussed by Imus asking for details.

    This tendency to assume a conclusion based on desires infects many places. 

    A church to which I previously belonged had a missions committee that vetted the missions the church supported. More than once when the committee asked a support-seeking organization about documented results and not just intentions, the organization had no data or evidence. The organization seemed to think that intentions or wanting to achieve a result were enough, and didn’t do any measuring of results to document their success. “Just believe us; we don’t need to produce evidence.”

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  18. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

    I know for a fact that in 1979 1340 was National Merit Scholar (99.5%+). I know because I was with a lower score.

    My score in 1972 was 1390 and I was not a National Merit scholar.  I probably could have improved it on a second try, but it sufficed to get me into an elite college.

    Edit – MWM reminds me that the NMS was based on the PSAT.  I don’t remember my score on that test.

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  19. Miffed White Male Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

    I know for a fact that in 1979 1340 was National Merit Scholar (99.5%+). I know because I was with a lower score.

    I thought National Merit was based on the PSAT.  I don’t remember what my score was on that, but I got a “letter of Commendation”.  One of my older brothers was a Semi-Finalist.  He also got an appointment to West Point.

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  20. Seawriter Contributor
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    Part of the reason SAT scores are so much higher are there are 3 700-point parts. When I took it in 1972, there were two.

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  21. dnewlander Inactive
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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    He could have gotten in as a foreign exchange student; they were desperate to boost their international/ racial diversity, and foreign students are not usually held to the same standards as Americans.

    The reason they want foreign students is that they pay full price. We know 0 didn’t do that, so it has to have been affirmative action.

    Regardless, the claim that 0 was “the smartestest President, evah” is ludicrous on its face, and those purported SAT and ACT scores do nothing to change that.

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  22. dnewlander Inactive
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Part of the reason SAT scores are so much higher are there are 3 700-point parts. When I took it in 1972, there were two.

    They changed that back a few years ago. My kids recently took the PSAT, and it’s back to two tests.

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

    I know for a fact that in 1979 1340 was National Merit Scholar (99.5%+). I know because I was with a lower score.

    I thought National Merit was based on the PSAT. I don’t remember what my score was on that, but I got a “letter of Commendation”. One of my older brothers was a Semi-Finalist. He also got an appointment to West Point.

    This is true. I only took the PSAT as a Sophomore, but scored well enough I would have been a Semi-Finalist if I’d been a junior.

    There’s a PIT story waiting to be written about why I didn’t take it again as a Junior.

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  24. EJHill Podcaster
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    I aced my SATs.

    They said, “Sit here,” and I SAT for two hours.

    I can’t remember how I did on that paper thingy they handed to me.

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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Part of the reason SAT scores are so much higher are there are 3 700-point parts. When I took it in 1972, there were two.

    A year or after they rebased up SAT scores, I read an article congratulating the education establishment for the higher scores.

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  26. Misthiocracy secretly Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: It’s revealing that Beschloss was unprepared for the most straightforward response to his statement. Imus’s “Well, what is his IQ?” is not a gotcha question. Beschloss viewed his comment as so obviously correct that he was nonplussed by Imus asking for details.

    This tendency to assume a conclusion based on desires infects many places.

    A church to which I previously belonged had a missions committee that vetted the missions the church supported. More than once when the committee asked a support-seeking organization about documented results and not just intentions, the organization had no data or evidence. The organization seemed to think that intentions or wanting to achieve a result were enough, and didn’t do any measuring of results to document their success. “Just believe us; we don’t need to produce evidence.”

    The fudging of data can be even more devious.

    For example, in some (many? most?) climatology studies that examine the temperature record to determine if there’s a link between global temperature and CO2, when there are gaps in the temperature record they use computer models to estimate the missing data, and those models assume that there’s a link between global temperature and CO2.

    It’s sorta kinda like if a study to determine a link between IQ and race filled in data gaps by assuming a link between IQ and race.

    “The IQ number for this guy is smudged on the form.”

    “Just plug in the average IQ for his race.”

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

    I know for a fact that in 1979 1340 was National Merit Scholar (99.5%+). I know because I was with a lower score.

    I thought National Merit was based on the PSAT. I don’t remember what my score was on that, but I got a “letter of Commendation”. One of my older brothers was a Semi-Finalist. He also got an appointment to West Point.

    This is true. I only took the PSAT as a Sophomore, but scored well enough I would have been a Semi-Finalist if I’d been a junior.

    There’s a PIT story waiting to be written about why I didn’t take it again as a Junior.

    About the first claim: the College Board actually wrote me a letter, and explained that, though I’d scored high enough, I wasn’t qualified because I was a Sophomore. I still have it somewhere. Right next to the letter from Drake University offering me a full scholarship based on my PSAT score. Not that I sent my scores to Drake, which I hadn’t even heard of prior, but that’s the sort of stuff one tends to keep.

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  28. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    I remember the incident clearly , it was hilarious , as I remember it Imus had to ask three times, the first two he went off on tangents about how lucky we are to have a President this smart. On the third try he asked ‘ Pardon? ‘ as if the question was an out of nowhere non sequitur. Then he said he didn’t have that information still sounding like he had no idea why it was being asked. Then bemused Imus said ‘You don’t know?!’

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  29. The Great Adventure! Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    1340 in 1979 was not a mediocre score. That’s top 5%-ish. For example, it easily qualifies for automatic acceptance into Mensa.

    With my 1330 (and truly mediocre high school grades) I applied to three competitive colleges and was accepted at all three.

     

    As recently as 2008 (my son) colleges were known to “buy” test scores.  The young man carried a 3.6 GPA – a solid B+ – and a 1475 SAT, but his ACT score of 36 caught their attention.  Had 2 colleges offer him full tuition sight unseen, and 2 others offer 75% (he ended up accepting one of the 75%).  One of the school Deans confessed to me directly that they like to find “outliers” who skewed their average upwards.

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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy secretly (View Comment):

    Richard Easton: “On what actual evidence did “historian” Beschloss base his assertion? The SAT scores Obama refused to release? The college transcripts he also kept private? Any existing IQ scores he withheld?”

    Beschloss might have based his statement on this page at PrepScholar.com. Please note that PrepScholar.com does not cite where they got the alleged number, and every other source I can find online links back to PrepScholar.com as the source.

    A disturbing number of media outlets have reported PrepScholar’s numbers as fact.

    Sigh…

    If those numbers are correct, then there’s no way 0 could have gotten into Occidental at the time. They’re pretty mediocre.

    I scored a 1300 on the then 1600 scoring test (new SAT has higher scores due to essay portion). At the time, it was considered the absolute minimum for consideration in Ivey league and my dad wanted me to retake it (I didn’t).

    For both Obama and myself, our less relevant, but highly desired, characteristics would have been seriously bolstered by high scores (he, a minority, likely applying as a (african) foreign born student, and myself a girl declaring in math).

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