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The Outrage for Next Week: They’re Literally Gassing Children at the Border
Late on a Sunday night, we’re starting to see next week’s outrage story taking hold: There are children present in the migrant caravan and the U.S. Border Police are sending tear gas into it, and mothers and their children are being affected.
Are these the brutal young men you keep referring to @realDonaldTrump? Cuz it looks like you are gassing women and children!!! https://t.co/urahBhfAm1
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) November 25, 2018
Those of you defending tear gassing children should probably unfollow me. And also rethink your lives.
— Phil Plait (@BadAstronomer) November 26, 2018
We already have concentration camps for immigrant children in this country, so gassing them was the next logical step I guess.
Happy holidays
— Roland Scahill (@rolandscahill) November 26, 2018
There is, as there always is, more to the story than simply “the United States is gassing children.” What else is happening at the border? Well, just this:
Video shows migrants rushing across the Tijuana River south of the U.S.-Mexico border as the port of entry at San Ysidro was closed Sunday. https://t.co/hQE7Y2le21 pic.twitter.com/MhLTuZ1OtS
— ABC News (@ABC) November 26, 2018
Hundreds try to storm the border. Expect significant US response #tijuana pic.twitter.com/0T50XUnXtY
— emma murphy (@emmamurphyitv) November 25, 2018
The United States is now in the tough position Israel has found itself in countless times: You cannot storm a sealed border; so how does a country stop a mob of people attempting to do so? Asking nicely doesn’t work, but when you use non-violent means like tear gas and rubber bullets (there are no reports of the latter being used), world condemnation comes rolling in. What options do countries have when trying to defend their own borders from those trying, violently and forcefully, to penetrate them?
Breitbart Texas editor (and my friend) Brandon Darby expressed what is likely a widely held belief among Americans,
We can’t allow people to enter our country in this manner. I’m sympathetic to the plight of migrants, but we can’t allow this. Not like this. https://t.co/aNxzpW7eZz
— Brandon Darby (@brandondarby) November 26, 2018
Critics of the President and those in the media will frame this story as simply “Trump is gassing children” and in so doing, they will undercut their own trustworthiness further. These aren’t children randomly present at the border; they were put there by their parents, who joined a mob attempting to break into a country illegally. They are not “seeking asylum,” the above videos are not how one goes about doing so.
There is a conversation about how best to repel these kinds of mobs and one we perhaps should have had before this evening, given how much-advanced notice we had that a caravan would be arriving at our border. But to paint this as simply a war crime is plainly and profoundly dishonest, and unfortunately for those trying to set that narrative, most Americans will recognize that fact at first glance. And so, critics of the President remain one of his greatest assets, even as chaos unfolds on our border.
Published in Immigration
Deny that you’re in a hole?
Libertarians don’t do rules.
I really don’t follow those things. And I don’t watch news on TV, so I never see pictures of people. I have no clue who that lady is.
Tell that to the LPNY state committee. (Si supieras…)
Fred this is more than just a flash in the pan pop culture moment.
Here is just under 3 minutes of the half hour TV interview that went viral.
Same clip here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRpzoEJcm0
I completely agree. Thank you for saying what reasonable people are thinking.
Thanks, @goldwaterwoman, and you’re welcome.
Evasive, non-responsive, fact-free snark. As expected.
God, no. Sorry. I’m not gonna watch anything that looks like that. Thanks.
Just so you are clear on the context Fred, you are the woman ‘that looks like that.’
You and she have the same words (see comment #55) and rhetoric when conversing with a conservative.
Here is yet another savage from the caravan invading our southern border, wanting to “come here for a better life.” God bless every one of our border agents.
He climbed a tree and then set it on fire?
Which itch is that jamoke here to scratch? Florida is not suffering from a shortage of Florida Men, is it?
@fredcole a video of the guy, Jordan Peterson, that you never heard of talking about borders and The Wall. The clip is just over 11 minutes but most of border/ wall talk is during the first couple of minutes.
Enjoy (or not).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exz8gM_QK5c
Open borders folks are concerned, first and foremost, with coercion. People who like borders are more concerned with defense of civilization. Fundamentally different starting points.
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-differences-between-how-liberals-libertarians-and-conservatives-choose-to-think
http://www.econtalk.org/kling-on-the-three-languages-of-politics/
Hat tip @philturmel
More importantly, why is it our job to do something about it?
I listen to Chris Plante quite quite often. One of the neat things he does, is when he gets a sophisticated caller, he just lets them run, which brings me to two of the most depressing things I’ve ever heard. One guy calls in and identifies as a Puerto Rican ex-pat. He hates Puerto Rico. He says the culture is hopelessly corrupt and unproductive and he literally blames it’s Spanish heritage. There will never be any improvement. The other one was a guy that was working on ecological issues in central America and he said the same thing: there is just no fixing all the crime and in corruption in that place.
The other thing is, and I’m not an expert on this, but a lot of those places set up constitutions just like ours but it doesn’t happen because that stuff has to live in peoples hearts. I think back in the day, the way Protestantism was practiced in the early USA, I think made a big difference. I’ve heard that the Mexican Constitution is just endemically corrupt and it really just builds inequality in.
I believe everything that Peter Kirsanow says about legal and illegal immigration, and I think CATO sucks.
I think the first order of business is saving The Republic, instead of being nice. I hate saying that, but I think that’s right.
I’ve been thinking about this stuff for forever and among the long list of smart people that agree with me is Yoram Hazony, who just hits it out of the park, here. You have got to have political subsidiarity and cultural bonds or you are going to have problems. There are Republicans that are judgmental as hell about Brexit, but the EMU and the EU are completely overwrought and they are going to go down the hard way.
And yet, you have no problem with my being taxed for the horde of illegals your open borders fetish results in.
LOL. They love America!
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Another topic I’m interested in is Republicans that hate Jordan Peterson. All of these guys are in an anti-Trump Camp that I don’t agree with on anything.
Milo Yiannopoulos just wrote the introduction to Vox Day’s takedown of JP; both Milo and Vox are still strongly pro-Trump, though neither is Republican.
Milo:
Vox Day and Milo? If the two of them joined forces and went all-out, they might be able to field the intellectual firepower of your average halfwit.
That book compares Peterson to L. Ron Hubbard.
It is not worth reading on that account. Perterson is not evil.
The thing about Jordan Peterson is, he worked at Harvard, he’s probably a successful psychotherapist, and he’s read one hell of a lot of Western thought.
Then you throw in the fact that I don’t like a lot of the people that don’t like him. Most of their CVs are weak as hell compared to him.
I know jack about all of this, but that’s where I’m at.
Milo demonstrates that Jordan “don’t say things that aren’t true” Peterson lied about him, and cogently discusses other specifics.
If you can prove there was no lie or have a plausible explanation for Peterson’s bizarre Kavanagh remark, discuss it.
Ad hominem doesn’t cut it.
The problem is that Peterson filters his reading of Western thought through Jung.
In addition to achieving a level of self-promotion that would make Michael Avenatti blush, Milo was far too accepting for far too long of the more odious bogttom-feeders of the so-called “alt-right.”
I’ve no use for his opinions.
I found the interviewer’s befuddlement rather refreshing, actually…Thanks, ST!
They hate on “JP” because he points out that their attitude towards Trump is incongruent with their support for the conservative movement.