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The Outrage for Next Week: They’re Literally Gassing Children at the Border
Late on a Sunday night, we’re starting to see next week’s outrage story taking hold: There are children present in the migrant caravan and the U.S. Border Police are sending tear gas into it, and mothers and their children are being affected.
Are these the brutal young men you keep referring to @realDonaldTrump? Cuz it looks like you are gassing women and children!!! https://t.co/urahBhfAm1
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) November 25, 2018
Those of you defending tear gassing children should probably unfollow me. And also rethink your lives.
— Phil Plait (@BadAstronomer) November 26, 2018
We already have concentration camps for immigrant children in this country, so gassing them was the next logical step I guess.
Happy holidays
— Roland Scahill (@rolandscahill) November 26, 2018
There is, as there always is, more to the story than simply “the United States is gassing children.” What else is happening at the border? Well, just this:
Video shows migrants rushing across the Tijuana River south of the U.S.-Mexico border as the port of entry at San Ysidro was closed Sunday. https://t.co/hQE7Y2le21 pic.twitter.com/MhLTuZ1OtS
— ABC News (@ABC) November 26, 2018
Hundreds try to storm the border. Expect significant US response #tijuana pic.twitter.com/0T50XUnXtY
— emma murphy (@emmamurphyitv) November 25, 2018
The United States is now in the tough position Israel has found itself in countless times: You cannot storm a sealed border; so how does a country stop a mob of people attempting to do so? Asking nicely doesn’t work, but when you use non-violent means like tear gas and rubber bullets (there are no reports of the latter being used), world condemnation comes rolling in. What options do countries have when trying to defend their own borders from those trying, violently and forcefully, to penetrate them?
Breitbart Texas editor (and my friend) Brandon Darby expressed what is likely a widely held belief among Americans,
We can’t allow people to enter our country in this manner. I’m sympathetic to the plight of migrants, but we can’t allow this. Not like this. https://t.co/aNxzpW7eZz
— Brandon Darby (@brandondarby) November 26, 2018
Critics of the President and those in the media will frame this story as simply “Trump is gassing children” and in so doing, they will undercut their own trustworthiness further. These aren’t children randomly present at the border; they were put there by their parents, who joined a mob attempting to break into a country illegally. They are not “seeking asylum,” the above videos are not how one goes about doing so.
There is a conversation about how best to repel these kinds of mobs and one we perhaps should have had before this evening, given how much-advanced notice we had that a caravan would be arriving at our border. But to paint this as simply a war crime is plainly and profoundly dishonest, and unfortunately for those trying to set that narrative, most Americans will recognize that fact at first glance. And so, critics of the President remain one of his greatest assets, even as chaos unfolds on our border.
Published in Immigration
Totally agree. We should.
This is nonsense. Fred, you are not entitled to your own facts. The US legally admitted over 1 million people, each and every year, from 2005 through 2016, with one exception (2013, when the number was about 990,000). Here is the link to the Homeland Security report showing these figures.
Well, I had never heard that before and she’s damn smart.
I’ll stop with the jokes.
Isn’t that the new Democrat Party platform?
I believe the correct slogan is “No ICE, No Wall, No USA at All” repeatedly shouted preferably in the ear of a dining Trump adminstration official.
And for what it’s worth, I am in complete support of using concertina wire, pepper spray, tear gas, and/or rubber bullets if need be to protect the sovereign right of this nation to its border and in restricting who may enter. These “caravan” stunts must not be allowed to succeed to any degree.
It gets annoying the way some people do it, but not Rufus. He has his feet planted firmly on planet Earth
My comment was about the people that from the incident over the weekend. You’re welcome to explain the process for them to legally enter the United States.
I’m Ok with lethal force if above methods are insufficient
How to apply for Asylum to US
They can apply at any official border crossing.
What part of that is unclear?
It’s a shame Rufus, but Mexico has plenty of very needy citizens already. So do we, for that matter. I vote we trade Fred X Cole’s citizenship for two of the children who represent, as a group, less then 10% of the people in the caravan. Any other U.S. citizen wanting to trade countries please get in line behind Fred. One doesn’t need to be an armed soldier to be an invader.
Mexican law enforcement made about 500 arrests in the rush to storm the fence, and those arrested will be deported back to Honduras, or whatever country they came from.
There is a legal process to enter the United States, and the Tucson Mall parking lot is a good example of this. On any given day you can find quite a few vehicles with Sonora, Mexico license plates in the parking areas. These families cross the border legally to shop in Tucson, and go back across the border, and return home to Mexico.
The optics of crowd control are not very pretty, and we have homegrown morons in our own country that bring their children to demonstrations that become violent. It’s all fun and games until the violence, and law breaking begins, whether it’s at the border, or in any city inside the United States.
The Neutrality Act of 1794 was a mistake.
Like poltics?
There are those among the planners (some of those attending, too) of most of those demonstrations who want the unpretty optics and are willing to sacrifice children to get them. Usually not their own.
That was part of the MO in the demonstrations of the 1960s. A family member knew the Chief of Police in a city at the epicenter. They spoke frankly; I overheard some of the conversations.
The Intifadas, the Palestinian “relief flotillas,” the Gaza “protests,” and now the “caravans” are ongoing developments.
The cartels have already got the US divided up into territories. It’s a pity to see our own native criminal class displaced by furriners.
We can’t trade Fred. I’m not done teasing him yet.
Human shields! That was quick:
When you let something illegal happen. You undermine the power of lawful deterrence. If we let this caravan in. There will be another caravan and another. I think the evidence is pretty good that illegals commit more crimes than regular citizens and that they take up government resources and their children tend to stay poor. Not deterring them has a big cost.
To govern means to choose goes the saying. I wish we could have a more honest and mature conversation were we took the problems in the future as seriously as we take the unpleasantness of the present.
@bethanymandel
Is comparing non-violent but unpleasant mob control techniques to the Holocaust grossly offensive to both Holocaust survivors and basic sense?
Oooh that hurts, Remember to insert the comma.
Fred, if you will put a permanent end to the welfare state you can open that border spigot as wide open as you’d like. K?
No. I like it here. America is awesome and objectively better than Mexico.
That’s why I don’t blame any of those people for passing through Mexico to come here.
Yeah. But the phrase I took issue with was “invading army.”
They are an invading army, comprised of objectively hostile actors. They have attacked American border security personnel with rocks, bottles, and other weapons. Not only does our government have the right to defend our country against such barbarism and savagery, it has a moral obligation to do so.
But then, you are on record – on this website – referring to American border security personnel as “thugs.“ That is a highly offensive and ignorant statement.
The men and women who served in past years with such agencies as the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the U.S. Border Patrol, and the U.S. Customs Service – which now operate as Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement – have put and continue to put their lives on the line for you daily, despite your contemptible ingratitude.
My father was just such a man, spending nearly three decades serving with distinction in what was then called the U.S. Customs Service. Prior to that, he served in the United States Marine Corps. Tell me Fred, was he a thug?
Your response will say much about the kind of man you are, or aren’t.
“The same survey also found that most Salvadorans not only knew someone already living in the U.S., but also wanted to move to the U.S. themselves. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) said they would move there if they could, including 28% who would move without authorization.“
Do we take them all? We already have over 20 million illegals in the US.
Should we allow anyone in who can walk, swim crawl or fly in to the US?
You going to put some of them up in your home? Or do you expect the rest of us to pay at gunpoint ( you know the Libertarian thing and taxes) for your oh so kind heart?
… and speaking as a thug (or at least someone with the face of one), I’m offended too, Fred.
It isn’t easy being mean.
No, . . . you do it like this:
Am I supposed to know who that lady is?
Yes. If you want to present yourself as aware of trends, movements, and conversations over the last year, you should instantly understand the reference.
Oh that’s easy!
Okay, so let me take this a piece at a time.
Sure. They are “objectively hostile actors.” They must hate America or something. That’s why they want to come here for a better life. And yes, some of them may have thrown rocks, so we should totally use tear gas on women and children. Only by being barbaric and savage can we defend against barbarism and savagery.
Sure. I mean, I can’t really defend myself because I don’t recall the specific context. But CBP has expanded rapidly in the last 15 years or so and operates without sufficient internal (or external for that matter) oversight. The result is a culture of misbehavior, flagrant illegality, and thuggish behavior.
Yes, yes. And I’m sure the honest folks at the DEA also put their lives on the line every day for me too, despite the fact that I have contemptible ingratitude for what they do too. They are truly America’s heroes and I should rightly show my gratitude for their “service” while I’m taxed to pay for it.
Now we get to the heart of the matter. You think I was calling your father a thug. Was he? I don’t know. Did he engage in thuggish behavior?
Fred, do you know the “First Rule of Holes”?