McSally vs. Sinema vs. Election Officials: Sunday Edition

 

With today’s vote dump in the Arizona US Senate race, Martha McSally’s chances are fading fast. Democrat Kyrsten Sinema has again extended her lead, now by 32,640 votes, or 1.51%. At the end of Saturday’s count, she led by about 29,832 votes, or 1.41%.

The theory from McSally’s camp is that the votes counted on Sunday would help the Republican, but as we’ve seen, they most certainly did not.

There are still at least 200,000 votes to be counted, but McSally would have to utterly dominate them in order to take the lead.

In more bad news for the GOP, Democrat Secretary of State candidate Katie Hobbs has eked ahead of Republican Steve Gaynor by 150 votes.

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I sure would have had Kasich campaign in WI, MI and PA.

    Kasich is worse than Trump. 

    This is why Trump is president: they should’ve done something else besides the 17 man primary. That’s your big problem right there. When you get over certain amount you have to have a national two-stage primary. 17 and then two. Or something.

    Lois Lerner defeated the tea party and people are sick of cultural Marxism. People are sick of the ruling class i.e. Hillary Clinton.

    The GOP has to come up with a grand strategy to deal with what’s wrong with this country otherwise you’re just going to get more populism and socialism.

    Nobody has been conservative since Ronald Reagan and I’m not sure he was very conservative, really.

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  2. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I would like to have a Republican nominee who is not obnoxious, abnormal or repellant. Is that too much to as for?

    Given our losses in 2018, I doubt that we will win WI, MI or PA in 2020, and are in the danger of losing AZ, GA and NC.

    You did not support your argument and rebut @gumbymark‘s assertion regarding the fact, with evidence, that no Republican other than Donald Trump could have won in 2016.

    I sure would have had Kasich campaign in WI, MI and PA.

    Rubio did well in the primaries in VA, and won the MN primary. I would have frequently sent him to Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico, whic W won in 2004.

    I would have loved Walker on the ticket, which would have helped in the Upper Midwest.

    A young Rubio or Cruz, or fairly young Kasich would have done well against an old Hillary in the debates.

    Cocaine Mitch set up the Supreme Court as an issue. Cruz, Rubio or Kasich would have won with that issue.

    Wishin’ and hopin’ doesn’t change the electoral reality of 2016.  Kasich, JEB!, and Trump were at the bottom of my preferences for 2016.  You mention Cruz.  Ted was my guy and I’m apparently one of the few people in America who like him personally (then again, I hail from the meth lab of democracy), but the reality is people (not just D’s) really dislike the guy and he is simply unelectable on a national level – hey, he just almost lost in Texas!

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    Trump only won a plurality of the vote in the primaries.  We have our “plurality wins all delegates” system, while the Democrats award delegates proportionately.  For example, in South Carolina, Trump won only a third of the vote, while Rubio and Cruz each won 22%; yet Trump got all 50 delegates.  If we had the proportionate awarding of delegates, Trump would have never have won at the convention.  (Even with the bandwagon effect, only 45% of Republicans voted for Trump.)

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump only won a plurality of the vote in the primaries. We have our “plurality wins all delegates” system, while the Democrats award delegates proportionately. For example, in South Carolina, Trump won only a third of the vote, while Rubio and Cruz each won 22%; yet Trump got all 50 delegates. If we had the proportionate awarding of delegates, Trump would have never have won at the convention. (Even with the bandwagon effect, only 45% of Republicans voted for Trump.)

     Everyone we are ruled by is ether stupid or corrupt. Especially when it comes to this type of thing. 

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  5. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump only won a plurality of the vote in the primaries.

    John McCain in 2008 with 46.7%, winning 31 states.

    Barry Goldwater in 1964 with 38.3%, winning 7 states.

    Donald Trump in 2016 with 44.9%, winning 38 states.

    And I didn’t even know that Trump was from Arizona.

    Trump won more general election votes in Arizona than any other presidential candidate.

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Trump won more general election votes in Arizona than any other presidential candidate.

    You are comparing apples and oranges.

    McCain and Romney won Arizona by 9% each; Trump won by 3%.  

    In 2008, the population of Arizona was 6,152,173.

    In 2012, the population of Arizona was 6,392,017.

    In 2016, the population of Arizona was 6,641,928

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Drudge Report states that Sinema won in Arizona, the first Democrat to be elected to the Senate since Dennis (“the Menace”) DeConcini won in November 1988, thirty years ago.  

    CongraDulations Donald Trump!  With your leadership, you have completely energized Hispanics in Arizona to send a Democrat to the Senate to put a check on you!

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  8. Gumby Mark, (R-Meth Lab of Dem… Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Drudge Report States that Sinema won in Arizona, the first Democrat to be elected to the Senate since Dennis (“the Menace”) DeConcini won in November 1988, thirty years ago.

    Thanks Donald Trump! With your leadership, you have completely energized Hispanics in Arizona to send a Democrat to the Senate to put a check on you!

    Wait, I thought you said it was suburbanites!

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gumby Mark, (R-Meth Lab of Dem… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Drudge Report States that Sinema won in Arizona, the first Democrat to be elected to the Senate since Dennis (“the Menace”) DeConcini won in November 1988, thirty years ago.

    Thanks Donald Trump! With your leadership, you have completely energized Hispanics in Arizona to send a Democrat to the Senate to put a check on you!

    Wait, I thought you said it was suburbanites!

    Both Hispanic and suburbanites.  I tell you, Trump has a gift for getting out voters – for Democrats!

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    It should be remembered that Alabama last voted for a Democrat for Senate in Alabama in 1986, that is until Alabama voted for a Democrat in December, 2017.  Way to go Donald Trump, you have such a way with people!

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  11. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    It ain’t over til it’s over….or how is this possible that all these votes are materializing after Election Day is in our rear view mirror? Florida seems to be pulling votes off orange trees…

    As far as I can tell, the AZ votes are different than the situation in Florida, specifically Broward and Palm Beach counties where they will keep producing new votes until they get the result right. In AZ these are mail ballots received by the end of election day.

    Bingo.

    I want to add my small voice to the apparent consensus of Arizonans here that, despite wanting McSally to defeat Sinema, I don’t think that there’s anything fraudulent or nefarious going on here.  Arizona is blessed with relatively little government corruption of the type that we hear about (and occasionally witness) elsewhere.

    For those who might not know, Jon Gabriel, Gary Robbins, Clifford Brown and I are all Arizonans.  OK, in my case, that’s pretty obvious from my Ricochet handle.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    It ain’t over til it’s over….or how is this possible that all these votes are materializing after Election Day is in our rear view mirror? Florida seems to be pulling votes off orange trees…

    As far as I can tell, the AZ votes are different than the situation in Florida, specifically Broward and Palm Beach counties where they will keep producing new votes until they get the result right. In AZ these are mail ballots received by the end of election day.

    Bingo.

    I want to add my small voice to the apparent consensus of Arizonans here that, despite wanting McSally to defeat Sinema, I don’t think that there’s anything fraudulent or nefarious going on here. Arizona is blessed with relatively little government corruption of the type that we hear about (and occasionally witness) elsewhere.

    For those who might not know, Jon Gabriel, Gary Robbins, Clifford Brown and I are all Arizonans. OK, in my case, that’s pretty obvious from my Ricochet handle.

    I agree.  We are blessedly voter fraud free with the counting of votes.  Sinema won fair and square.  

    I hope that Governor Ducey appoints McSally to McCain’s seat.  Ironically, that would make her Arizona’s “Senior” Senator.

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  13. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Trump won more general election votes in Arizona than any other presidential candidate.

    In 2012, the population of Arizona was 6,392,017.

    In 2016, the population of Arizona was 6,641,928

    Ha!  Fake news.

    The only true measurement of a state’s population is a census.

    Arizona Republican primary, 2012: Romney, 239,167 votes

    Arizona Republican primary, 2016: Trump, 286,743 votes

    Romney and Trump won the same number of Arizona counties in the general election.

    How are the rest of us supposed to know how many people live in Arizona and are legal or illegal anyway?

    Besides Anchor babies can’t vote, unless they are 18-year-old anchor babies.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Trump won more general election votes in Arizona than any other presidential candidate.

    In 2012, the population of Arizona was 6,392,017.

    In 2016, the population of Arizona was 6,641,928

    Ha! Fake news.

    My source is the Almanac of American Politics that George Will once called the Baseball Digest of American Politics.  Michael Barone was its primary Editor for years.  

    The only true measurement of a state’s population is a census.

    The census provides an annual and even monthly estimate of population.

    Arizona Republican primary, 2012: Romney, 239,167 votes.

    Arizona Republican primary, 2016: Trump, 286,743 votes.

    Romney and Trump won the same number of Arizona counties in the general election.

    That is so irrelevant!  Maricopa County has over half of the state’s voters, and Pima County has over a fifth of the voters.  (Arizona is not unlike Nevada where Clark County, which contains Las Vegas, has the majority of Nevada’s population and voters.)  The three counties of Maricopa, Pima and Pinal have about 80% of Arizona’s population.  

    How are the rest of us supposed to know how many people live in Arizona and are legal or illegal anyway?

    Not relevant.

    Besides Anchor babies can’t vote, unless they are 18-year-old anchor babies.

     

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  15. Duane Oyen Member
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    What on earth is wrong with you Arizona people?  Barry Goldwater at first was a principled politician, then his guilt over his personal behavior (he spent a lot of time alley-catting with JFK in the pre-1960’s days) got him married for the second time to a lefty abortion-enthusiast loon and he became a crotchety old flake, then Flake leaves the Goldwater Institute and becomes even flakier, then McCain lets his full jerkiness bloom in his last days instead of becoming at all noble and gracious.  And now Sinema?

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  16. Duane Oyen Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    It appears that Arizona will be electing a Democrat to the U.S. Senate for the first time in 24 years. Damn.

    There is a barn-burner as to Secretary of State in Arizona. A relatively moderate Democrat, Katie Hobbs, is beating a self-proclaimed “Trump Republican” by 150 votes. The Secretary of State is the second highest state-wide office; in each of the last 4 decades, a Secretary of State has become governor.

    Democrats could win up to 4 statewide races; the last time they won a statewide race was in 2008.

    “Damn”? You sent them MONEY.

    If Jeff Flake had run, Republicans would have been wiped out, the governor would be in McSally’s vote situation, and the U.S. House members who won would have barely scraped by.

    I think it is your faction’s turn to politely smile and pull the lever for our faction within the big ol’ Republican tent — whose membership you don’t get to determine anymore than we did through the Bushes, McCain, and Romney. Live under Democrats, until Arizona becomes California without the beach, or find a way to compromise towards us.

    AND yes, we have serious, long and short term strategic problems.

    Yes, we must find ways to break through the 24/7 90% negative propaganda, magnified by social media moguls who mean us ill, or who see themselves as responsible for reforming our hearts and minds into what they consider correct thinking.

    Yes, we must deliver immediately palpable results, as well as credible signs of future greater promise for all Americans, especially those who the Democrats have kept down as permanently aggrieved.

    I’ll address the issues in one or more posts on Tuesday and later in the week. Back to Veterans’ Day postings through tomorrow.

    I think that Jeff Flake would have won, as well as Ducey. Under a President Rubio, we would not have lost the House, and would have been aiming at a filibuster-proof Senate. For better or worse, it is hard to prove these assertions.

    What we do know if that suburban Republicans got beaten, and beaten badly.

    The only problem is Rubio would not have won in 2016.

    Almost any Republican would have won in 2016. Only once after the 22nd Amendment was ratified in 1951 has any party stayed in power for three terms, and that was in 1988, when Bush I was elected to Reagan’s third term.

    Exactly.  Rubio would have won the general in 2016; unfortunately, his embrace of the Gang of 8 probably ensured that he can’t be nominated by Republicans- but his position on Gang of 8 was very much to fix border security first via strict House amendments, anathema to Krikorian-types’ and bumper sticker characterizations.  His best shot now is as VP running with Haley. 

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  17. Duane Oyen Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I would like to have a Republican nominee who is not obnoxious, abnormal or repellant. Is that too much to as for?

    Given our losses in 2018, I doubt that we will win WI, MI or PA in 2020, and are in the danger of losing AZ, GA and NC.

    You did not support your argument and rebut @gumbymark‘s assertion regarding the fact, with evidence, that no Republican other than Donald Trump could have won in 2016.

    I sure would have had Kasich campaign in WI, MI and PA.

    Rubio did well in the primaries in VA, and won the MN primary. I would have frequently sent him to Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico, whic W won in 2004.

    I would have loved Walker on the ticket, which would have helped in the Upper Midwest.

    A young Rubio or Cruz, or fairly young Kasich would have done well against an old Hillary in the debates.

    Cocaine Mitch set up the Supreme Court as an issue. Cruz, Rubio or Kasich would have won with that issue.

    Gary, I am with you everywhere except for Kasich.  He revealed himself to be terminally pompous and smarmy.

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  18. RufusRJones Member
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    Duane Oyen (View Comment):
    Flake leaves the Goldwater Institute and becomes even flakier,

    That is a very interesting fact. You wonder what he really believes. 

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Duane Oyen (View Comment):

    What on earth is wrong with you Arizona people? Barry Goldwater at first was a principled politician, then his guilt over his personal behavior (he spent a lot of time alley-catting with JFK in the pre-1960’s days) got him married for the second time to a lefty abortion-enthusiast loon and he became a crotchety old flake, then Flake leaves the Goldwater Institute and becomes even flakier, then McCain lets his full jerkiness bloom in his last days instead of becoming at all noble and gracious. And now Sinema?

    It’s a dry heat.

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  20. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    It ain’t over til it’s over….or how is this possible that all these votes are materializing after Election Day is in our rear view mirror? Florida seems to be pulling votes off orange trees…

    As far as I can tell, the AZ votes are different than the situation in Florida, specifically Broward and Palm Beach counties where they will keep producing new votes until they get the result right. In AZ these are mail ballots received by the end of election day.

    Bingo.

    I want to add my small voice to the apparent consensus of Arizonans here that, despite wanting McSally to defeat Sinema, I don’t think that there’s anything fraudulent or nefarious going on here. Arizona is blessed with relatively little government corruption of the type that we hear about (and occasionally witness) elsewhere.

    For those who might not know, Jon Gabriel, Gary Robbins, Clifford Brown and I are all Arizonans. OK, in my case, that’s pretty obvious from my Ricochet handle.

    I agree. We are blessedly voter fraud free with the counting of votes. Sinema won fair and square.

    I hope that Governor Ducey appoints McSally to McCain’s seat. Ironically, that would make her Arizona’s “Senior” Senator.

    I also agree with you about appointing McSally.  I’m glad that we still agree on quite a bit, Gary!

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  21. Bill Nelson Inactive
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    we have serious, long and short term strategic problems.

    When the dust settles and the analysis is done, you will see a high turnout of independents for Sinema. The Trump factor kept many of those people away from McSally.

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    Bill Nelson (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    we have serious, long and short term strategic problems.

    When the dust settles and the analysis is done, you will see a high turnout of independents for Sinema. The Trump factor kept many of those people away from McSally.

    Alinsky tactics and critical theory are a one way street.

    #WeAreDoomed 

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