McSally vs. Sinema vs. Election Officials: Saturday Edition

 

Another batch of votes came in for the Arizona US Senate race, and Kyrsten Sinema has again extended her lead over Martha McSally. Sinema now leads by 29,832 votes, or 1.41%. At the end of Thursday’s count, she led by about 20,000 votes, or 1.01%.

Based on where and when tomorrow’s votes were cast, McSally’s numbers should improve (at least according to her camp). However, she’s running out of room to maneuver. As it stands, McSally must win 55% of the remaining ~264,000 ballots to win.

With hundreds of thousands of votes yet to be counted, we’ll need to wait a few days to determine the winner. And then, the recount. And the legal battles.

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  1. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Vote-by-mail essentially is fraud just like motor voter and several other Leftist voting schemes just to make the voter rolls inexact, confusing, and fraudulent.  A person should have an excuse to be gone on election day.  Why do you think that the Democrat states of Washington, Colorado, and Oregon require vote-by-mail?  Washington and Oregon last elected new Republican governors when Jimmy Carter was president!  Colorado is just as crazy too now.  Maybe these three states require it as the ballots are printed on hemp or something. 

    I don’t mind early voting as much as long as they don’t push the early voting period past the two week or one month mark.  At least you know or have a high level of confidence that the actual person (or his identical twin) voted with early voting.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    The third-worldization of America continues apace.

    Yah, but we can’t just get rid of the dirty Trump voters that have done this to us.

    How did it come to this?

    McSally embraced Trump. Arizona Governor Doug Ducey did not embrace Trump and he won by a landslide.

    That’s not the issue I’m getting at.

    What is the issue you are getting at?

    Hmmm, could it be the issue of a person who came here from a Communist country and mostly spends his time denigrating our people and our government?

    And who is that?

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    See the source image

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Not suggesting fraud by this, just incompetence. If they’re going to use such a system, they should be tallied when received. So if every state switched to this misbegotten method, we’d wait weeks to know who won elections, and open them up to even more fraud potential.

    Oh my goodness!  How long would it be until there were leaks as to how many votes Candidate X had over Candidate Y?

    I would not object to the hiring of substantially more people to do the laborious cross-checks.  Or to limit mail-in ballots without a doctor’s note.

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    And another thing. Mia Love call Trump a racist. She either meant it, or Jake Tapper tricked her into saying it. She’s probably just another Republican that is a lousy leader, or it’s just hard to be a good leader in her district.

    Trump is clearly a racialist, and, at best is incredibly insensitive.  Please see the Central Park 5, Birtherism, Rapists from Mexico, a Mexican Judge, not denouncing David Duke before the southern primaries, and Charlottsvile.  Once, an innocent mistake.  Twice, suspicious.  But 6 times?  No.  Trump is a racialist which I thought that we had driven out many years ago.   

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Vote-by-mail essentially is fraud just like motor voter and several other Leftist voting schemes just to make the voter rolls inexact, confusing, and fraudulent. A person should have an excuse to be gone on election day. Why do you think that the Democrat states of Washington, Colorado, and Oregon require vote-by-mail? Washington and Oregon last elected new Republican governors when Jimmy Carter was president! Colorado is just as crazy too now. Maybe these three states require it as the ballots are printed on hemp or something.

    I don’t mind early voting as much as long as they don’t push the early voting period past the two week or one month mark. At least you know or have a high level of confidence that the actual person (or his identical twin) voted with early voting.

    I am fine with greatly limiting “Vote by mail.”  My only point is that there is not a scintilla of evidence of fraud in Arizona.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    And another thing. Mia Love call Trump a racist. She either meant it, or Jake Tapper tricked her into saying it. She’s probably just another Republican that is a lousy leader, or it’s just hard to be a good leader in her district.

    Trump is clearly a racialist, and, at best is incredibly insensitive. Please see the Central Park 5, Birtherism, Rapists from Mexico, a Mexican Judge, not denouncing David Duke before the southern primaries, and Charlottsvile. Once, an innocent mistake. Twice, suspicious. But 6 times? No. Trump is a racialist which I thought that we had driven out many years ago.

    The Mexican judge is the only one of those that bothers me, but I have to admit I forget the David Duke thing.

    And Coulter is pretty persuasive about the Central Park 5, but I’m not going to get into a big argument about it. 

    Trump has never had to speak off-the-cuff under “civic pressure” or whatever you want to call it as a political executive. This is one of the reasons I was against him. He’s doing okay.

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    They’re going to keep shoving identity politics, critical theory, and cultural Marxism down our throats if someone doesn’t do something.  That is just a fact.


    Socialism for the win!

    A decade after President Obama took office pledging to extend healthcare protections to all Americans and setting off an unprecedented partisan battle, the fight is effectively over.

    Years from now, the 2018 midterm election is likely to be recognized as the moment that cemented the Affordable Care Act’s position alongside other pillars of the American healthcare system, such as Medicare.

    If you check out a guy on Twitter, called “Rational Walk” right now, he has a great explanation of what a scam the ACA is. It’s clearly designed to force single-payer. It’s over.

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  8. EJGorman Coolidge
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    Again, how did AZ descend to a place where one as outside the mainstream as Sinema has been could be victorious?  

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  9. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    And another thing. Mia Love call Trump a racist. She either meant it, or Jake Tapper tricked her into saying it. She’s probably just another Republican that is a lousy leader, or it’s just hard to be a good leader in her district.

    Trump is clearly a racialist, and, at best is incredibly insensitive. Please see the Central Park 5, Birtherism, Rapists from Mexico, a Mexican Judge, not denouncing David Duke before the southern primaries, and Charlottsvile. Once, an innocent mistake. Twice, suspicious. But 6 times? No. Trump is a racialist which I thought that we had driven out many years ago.

    The Mexican judge is the only one of those that bothers me, but I have to admit I forget the David Duke thing.

    The funny thing about the Mexican judge comments was I knew why Trump was wrong but didn’t understand why Progressives thought it was a bad thing to say.  In identity politics everything, including the personal, is political and your gender, race, ethnicity should determine how you make political decisions.  If Progressives are right about that, Trump was right to be concerned about how a Hispanic judge would rule in a case involving him.  Trump’s worst moments are when he is closest to Progressive thinking about group categories.  It’s also why white nationalists and social justice warriors are cut from the same cloth; they just differ on who should be on top.

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  10. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    EJGorman (View Comment):

    Again, how did AZ descend to a place where one as outside the mainstream as Sinema has been could be victorious?

    In part, because once elected to Congress she moderated her positions (at least as much as a Democrat can ever moderate) and ran a very centrist-sounding Senate campaign focused on health care (specifically pre-existing conditions) and with little to none of outright partisan attacks.  In contrast the Democrats gubernatorial candidate ran on a full throated progressive platform including raising taxes and single payer health care and he lost in a landslide.

    Plus, we’re all on meth.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    How is this even close? Do the people of AZ not get the news? Haven’t they seen the way Sinema speaks about them?

    McSally embraced Trump, and is paying the price. ETTD.

    Gary Robbins embraces Rick Wilson (“ETTD”), who tweets out erotic fan fiction about Ivanka Trump.

    I hope there’s a price to be paid.

    C’mon, Gary, make up your mind. First you regret your vote for McSally, then you regret your regret, and now you’re back to slandering her again. Your views seem to change from hour to hour.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    And another thing. Mia Love call Trump a racist. She either meant it, or Jake Tapper tricked her into saying it. She’s probably just another Republican that is a lousy leader, or it’s just hard to be a good leader in her district.

    Trump is clearly a racialist, and, at best is incredibly insensitive. Please see the Central Park 5, Birtherism, Rapists from Mexico, a Mexican Judge, not denouncing David Duke before the southern primaries, and Charlottsvile. Once, an innocent mistake. Twice, suspicious. But 6 times? No. Trump is a racialist which I thought that we had driven out many years ago.

    The Mexican judge is the only one of those that bothers me, but I have to admit I forget the David Duke thing.

    The funny thing about the Mexican judge comments was I knew why Trump was wrong but didn’t understand why Progressives thought it was a bad thing to say. In identity politics everything, including the personal, is political and your gender, race, ethnicity should determine how you make political decisions. If Progressives are right about that, Trump was right to be concerned about how a Hispanic judge would rule in a case involving him. Trump’s worst moments are when he is closest to Progressive thinking about group categories. It’s also why white nationalists and social justice warriors are cut from the same cloth; they just differ on who should be on top.

    I give this 1 million “likes”. 

    David Horowitz and Angelo Codevilla are right about everything.

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  13. EJGorman Coolidge
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    Gumby Mark,

    Thanks for the learned reply, and I can grasp that Sinema had a record of moderation to recruit, but given how much exposure given to her past actions and positions held about foreign policy and the military, I’d expect even the meth lab bloc to rally to the former A-10 pilot.  

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  14. DonG Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump is clearly a racialist, and, at best is incredibly insensitive. Please see the Central Park 5, Birtherism, Rapists from Mexico, a Mexican Judge,

    “Mexican” is a nationality, not a race.  I think you have an appreciation for accurate language, so go for accurate.  As for the anachronistic “racialist”, is it really clear?

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  15. Randy Webster Inactive
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

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    Mike "Lash" LaRoche (View Comment):

    The third-worldization of America continues apace.

    Yah, but we can’t just get rid of the dirty Trump voters that have done this to us.

    What in the Hell.

    Those dirty Trump voters are probably the ones who do most of the Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs and have dirt on their hands, beards, and under their fingernails in order to bring you the energy and material resources for one’s home, automobile, computers, and smart phones.

    Trump voters are the ones smuggling people and non-freedom tribalistic ideas in from the Third World?!!!!

    Sons of Martha.

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  16. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    EJGorman (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark,

    Thanks for the learned reply, and I can grasp that Sinema had a record of moderation to recruit, but given how much exposure given to her past actions and positions held about foreign policy and the military, I’d expect even the meth lab bloc to rally to the former A-10 pilot.

    I get what you mean.  I can provide what a possible explanation, but still don’t understand how this could happen.

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  17. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    How is this even close? Do the people of AZ not get the news? Haven’t they seen the way Sinema speaks about them?

    McSally embraced Trump, and is paying the price. ETTD.

    Gary Robbins embraces Rick Wilson (“ETTD”), who tweets out erotic fan fiction about Ivanka Trump.

    I hope there’s a price to be paid.

    C’mon, Gary, make up your mind. First you regret your vote for McSally, then you regret your regret, and now you’re back to slandering her again. Your views seem to change from hour to hour.

    McSally has also been criticized here on Ricochet by some of my fellow local methheads for not fully embracing Trump.

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  18. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    Plus, we’re all on meth.

    That goes without saying.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    DonG (View Comment):
    As for the anachronistic “racialist”, is it really clear?

    They use it Europe, I think, but it’s not a great word for here. 

    It takes a hell of a lot of government to “manage” illegal immigrants. They clearly suck the life out of some areas. I rarely have a problem with how Trump talks about this stuff. 

    Tom Cotton has a great tweet this morning about illegal immigration. It’s pretty interesting to see the reactions from the anti-Trump republicans.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    Michele Malkin 5 minutes. 

    Why tolerate this crap? 

    Anti-Trump GOPs are attacking Tom Cotton for this 

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  21. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    See the source image

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Not suggesting fraud by this, just incompetence. If they’re going to use such a system, they should be tallied when received. So if every state switched to this misbegotten method, we’d wait weeks to know who won elections, and open them up to even more fraud potential.

    We do not seat the new Congress until January. We used to have elections take days or weeks because of poor lines of communication. We then got spoiled with apparently instant results. So long as there is an orderly, regulated process, all is well.

    It is important to NOT tally before the election is complete, because otherwise you have information that can be used to influence the next wave of votes inside the same election. People might give up, or might switch from their sincere support for a third party candidate to one who is their second choice, but can win with a few extra votes.

    However, there is the whole other matter of the potential for fraud with people filling in groups of ballots and getting them signed by eligible voters, who are not fully aware — the old folks’ homes. 

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    EJGorman (View Comment):

    Again, how did AZ descend to a place where one as outside the mainstream as Sinema has been could be victorious?

    Sinema has voted as a moderate in Congress, after her radical days in her youth.  Also, McSally openly embraced Trump who is toxic in the suburbs, which has the bulk of Arizona voters.  

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    How is this even close? Do the people of AZ not get the news? Haven’t they seen the way Sinema speaks about them?

    McSally embraced Trump, and is paying the price. ETTD.

    Gary Robbins embraces Rick Wilson (“ETTD”), who tweets out erotic fan fiction about Ivanka Trump.

    I hope there’s a price to be paid.

    C’mon, Gary, make up your mind. First you regret your vote for McSally, then you regret your regret, and now you’re back to slandering her again. Your views seem to change from hour to hour.

    I regretted my vote for McSally for less than 24 hours.  I am not slandering McSally, but am pointing out that she openly embraced Trump.  

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  24. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    See the source image

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Not suggesting fraud by this, just incompetence. If they’re going to use such a system, they should be tallied when received. So if every state switched to this misbegotten method, we’d wait weeks to know who won elections, and open them up to even more fraud potential.

    We do not seat the new Congress until January. We used to have elections take days or weeks because of poor lines of communication. We then got spoiled with apparently instant results. So long as there is an orderly, regulated process, all is well.

    It is important to NOT tally before the election is complete, because otherwise you have information that can be used to influence the next wave of votes inside the same election. People might give up, or might switch from their sincere support for a third party candidate to one who is their second choice, but can win with a few extra votes.

    However, there is the whole other matter of the potential for fraud with people filling in groups of ballots and getting them signed by eligible voters, who are not fully aware — the old folks’ homes.

    Well, if you have reputable, law-abiding vote-counting officials who don’t release vote totals until the polls close, you won’t have to worry about that, will you?

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Arizona vote counting process?

    See the source image

    No, no, no! For better or worse, Arizona (and California and Oregon) have robust Vote by Mail systems. Every signature of the outside of the envelope has to be checked against the signature on record. These votes are not tallied until after the election.

    Col. Clifford A. Brown, Ret., is a strong Trump supporter. Jon Gabriel is our Chief. Doug Watt is a frequent OP writer, and voted a straight ticket. All live in Arizona. None of them have suggested fraud.

    Not suggesting fraud by this, just incompetence. If they’re going to use such a system, they should be tallied when received. So if every state switched to this misbegotten method, we’d wait weeks to know who won elections, and open them up to even more fraud potential.

    We do not seat the new Congress until January. We used to have elections take days or weeks because of poor lines of communication. We then got spoiled with apparently instant results. So long as there is an orderly, regulated process, all is well.

    It is important to NOT tally before the election is complete, because otherwise you have information that can be used to influence the next wave of votes inside the same election. People might give up, or might switch from their sincere support for a third party candidate to one who is their second choice, but can win with a few extra votes.

    However, there is the whole other matter of the potential for fraud with people filling in groups of ballots and getting them signed by eligible voters, who are not fully aware — the old folks’ homes.

    Well, if you have reputable, law-abiding vote-counting officials who don’t release vote totals until the polls close, you won’t have to worry about that, will you?

    They will not do so publicly, but rumors will swirl.  

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  26. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Acook (View Comment):

    I read McSally’s bio and am awed by the sheer competence on display. I guess I don’t understand how others don’t respond likewise. I would vote for her just based on that, whether or not I lined up with her on every policy decision. Seems to me the Senate could use some of that. But I guess I’m not an extreme ideologue.

    McSally will likely lose because she embraced Trump. The very large majority of Arizona’s population is suburban, where Trump is being rejected.

    Trump will lose in Arizona if he runs in 2020. Romney won Arizona by 9% in 2012. Trump squeezed by with 3% in 2016, If Trump runs in 2020, he will lose in Arizona.

    Well, apparently the candidates who distanced themselves from Trump got wiped out.   Apparently, these suburban folks are now democrats like you.  People who have a monomaniacal obsessive hatred of Trump and have decided to write off all republicans until we get back to losing politely, like Jeff Flake and John McCain.  

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Combine how Gary thinks and his analysis with what Bill Cunningham said last night   

    There is no way in hell the GOP has been conservative in aggregate since Bush 41 or whatever. Conservatism doesn’t work. The system has  changed too much. 

    Trump doest new things really well, like fight the media, and letting people feel okay about recognizing cultural Marxism for what it is. But the fact is, everyone wants socialism or crony capitalism in the final analysis. 

    We are a banana republic. The left keeps the ground it takes. Lois Lerner is not in jail. 

    Listen to the Cunningham monologue. Everyone wants socialism, and corruption is impossible to fight. 

    You are just plain stupid if you don’t try to steal as much as you can via government. 

    Look at how Joe Scarborough has changed. He did it because of the money. All of the media is like that. They make money by being pro-statist. The End. 

    How do you turn this ship around?

     

     

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    There is no way in hell the GOP has been conservative in aggregate since Bush 41 or whatever. Conservatism doesn’t work. The system has changed too much. 

    We are doomed.

     

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