Thoughts Too Short

 

The following question was raised by Marketing/Research guru Josh Jordan on Twitter recently: “What person (celebrity, politician, writer, etc) from pre-Twitter days would’ve been an insanely great follow had they been able to tweet?”

The one name that kept popping up was Dorothy Parker (1893-1967), the acid-tongued lady of the Algonquin Round Table fame. Parker, whose most famous quip was probably “What fresh hell is this?” was once asked to use the word “horticulture” in a sentence  and she replied, “You can lead a ‘horticulture’ but you can’t make her think.”

Of one woman whose sexual appetite was legendary she said, “That woman speaks eighteen languages, and can’t say ‘No’ in any of them.” If that isn’t worthy of modern Twitter I don’t know what is.

Parker’s biggest shortcoming was her politics. She embraced Communism in the 1930s and eventually found herself on the Hollywood studios blacklist. Hollywood has been in love with her ever since.

Other names that I came up with were her Vicious Circle compatriots, Robert Benchley (whose grandson Peter would go on to write Jaws), playwright Charles MacArthur (The Front Page), and Franklin P. Adams (The Conning Tower).  I also included radio satirist Fred Allen, sports columnist John Kieran and pianist Oscar Levant.*

Levant will be in the news sometime in the next couple of years when Doris Day, now age 96, passes away. It was he who infamously said, “I knew Doris Day before she was a virgin.”

I thought maybe Bob Hope would be good at it, and most definitely all of Bob Hope’s writers. (I mean, Tweets are nothing more than really, really small cue cards, right?)

Who would you throw on to the list?

*Levant, Adams and Kieran would form the cornerstone of the classic radio quiz show Information Please for over a decade. Episodes can be found here.

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  1. Keith SF Inactive
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    How embarrassing, I almost forgot  to add Tom Lehrer to my list.

     

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  2. RightAngles Member
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    Keith SF (View Comment):

    How embarrassing, I almost forgot to add Tom Lehrer to my list.

     

    My dad had all his albums! So funny!

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  3. Percival Thatcher
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):
    I’m one of the few people who know and love Fred Allen. Satire doesn’t wear well throughout the years because the people and the circumstances around the jokes are fleeting. You have to be a historian to appreciate his work.

    Bad radio voice, spotty delivery, absolutely delightful, and ahead of his time. Died walking his dog, I believe.

    The other day I heard a “Duffy’s Tavern” he did, and wondered if he wrote his part. It has an absolutely filthy joke about his clarinet playing. And as far as your remark about satire and context, I wonder if modern audiences wondered why he got such a laugh when he described his occupation as “gasoline salesman.”

    The one name that kept popping up was Dorothy Parker (1893-1967), the acid-tongued lady of the Algonquin Round Table fame.

    I agree – she would have had a perky Twitter, but if she were around today it would be drearily political, yelling at the choir. Frankly, the Round Table sounds like hell – everyone burdened with the obligations of snark, Dot all brittle and tipsy, Benchley tired of her stocking-foot brushing his shin, Perelman sneering at the lot of them, FPA thinking “Well, I’m the only one of this lot who’s got a deadline today, best be off.”

    Allen’s fights with Jack Benny were brilliant.

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  4. EJHill Podcaster
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    Percival: Allen’s fights with Jack Benny were brilliant.

    Fred Allen: “Jack, you couldn’t ad lib a belch after a plate of Hungarian goulash.”
    Jack Benny: “You wouldn’t say that if my writers were here.”

    @jameslileks Allen didn’t own a dog. But that got printed in one of the New York papers the day after his fatal heart attack and it’s taken on a life of its own. He did die on West 57th where he strolled regularly on Saturday nights. He was to be a panelist the next night on What’s My Line?

    Allen was married to his vaudeville partner Portland Hoffa. Her parents had three children, Portland, her sister Lebanon and brother Harlem. Guess where mama was when she had each one of her kids?

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  5. JosePluma Coolidge
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    I’d love to see Bob (Elliott) & Ray (Goulding) on Twitter.

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    François de La Rochefoucauld

    As it is the mark of great minds to say many things in a few words, so it is that of little minds to use many words to say nothing.

     

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  7. She Member
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    I’d probably go with Dorothy Parker as my first choice too.  “If all the girls at the Yale prom were laid end to end I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.”

    But.  Samuel Johnson.

    “A second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.”

    “Oats: A grain which in England is generally given to horses, but which in Scotland supports the people.”

    “Depend on it, Sir.  When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates the mind wonderfully.”

    And perhaps my favorite (although it’s a close-run thing):

    “The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.”

    And so on.

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  8. Freeven Member
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    Steve Allen.

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  9. Mate De Inactive
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    Paul Lynde

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  10. Percival Thatcher
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    Twain:

    My Dear Carnegie: I see by the papers that you are prosperous. I want to get a hymn book; it costs six shillings. If you send me the hymn book, I will bless you, God will bless you, and it will do a great deal of good.
    Yours truly,
    MARK TWAIN (1/2)

    P. S.-Don’t send me the hymn book; send me the six shillings. (2/2)

    Spike Milligan:

    All I ask is the chance to prove that money can’t make me happy.

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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):
    I’m one of the few people who know and love Fred Allen. Satire doesn’t wear well throughout the years because the people and the circumstances around the jokes are fleeting. You have to be a historian to appreciate his work.

    Bad radio voice, spotty delivery, absolutely delightful, and ahead of his time. Died walking his dog, I believe.

    The other day I heard a “Duffy’s Tavern” he did, and wondered if he wrote his part. It has an absolutely filthy joke about his clarinet playing. And as far as your remark about satire and context, I wonder if modern audiences wondered why he got such a laugh when he described his occupation as “gasoline salesman.”

    Dick Cavett told a story of arriving in New York in the mid-1950s and seeing Allen coming out of the studio following an episode of “What’s My Line?” on a rainy night shortly before his death:

    “…I marveled that people were asking for the other panelists’ autographs … When he got to the corner two bums came staggering out, and one of them said “You’re the greatest, Fred.” He turned, and in an aside to me, said, “ah, my fan club is gathering.” It was funny and bitter, and I remember thinking “Fred Allen said something and I’m the only one who heard it.”

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    Percival (View Comment):

    Spike Milligan:

    All I ask is the chance to prove that money can’t make me happy.

    Along the lines of one of my late dear mother’s own sayings:  “Money might not make you happy, but at least you can be miserable in comfort.”

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  13. philo Member
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    Crichton.

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  14. Songwriter Inactive
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    George Carlin would’ve rocked Twitter, I think.

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    Jon1979: When he got to the corner two bums came staggering out, and one of them said “You’re the greatest, Fred.”

    Allen was a East Coast man. “California is a fine place,” he said, “if you happen to be an orange.” He was one of the few prime time radio comedians who remained based in New York. 

    The only thing David Sarnoff and Bill Paley (the heads of NBC and CBS respectively) ever agreed on was the need to combat prerecorded programming because it threatened their business model. That meant separate live feeds to each coast. Allen’s 2nd show was always after 11pm ET and network pages often had to pull homeless people off the streets to sit in the audience. It so disgusted Allen that he would do the entire show with his back to the auditorium. But the bums loved it, especially during the winter.

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Evelyn Waugh would have been a “follow,” except for the problem that his barbed tweets would likely have been aimed at the concept of Twitter and those (including himself) who used it.

    Punctuality is the virtue of the bored.

    My unhealthy affection for my second daughter has waned. Now I despise all my seven children equally.

    We cherish our friends not for their ability to amuse us, but for ours to amuse them.

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  17. Judge Mental Member
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    W. C. Fields.

    A woman drove me to drink and I didn’t even have the decency to thank her.

    If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.

    I cook with wine, sometimes I even add it to the food.

    Many more.

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  18. Jeff Hawkins Inactive
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    Groucho

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    Muleskinner (View Comment):

    Groucho Marx, maybe Harpo?

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  20. EJHill Podcaster
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    Tweets from Harpo Marx or Marcel Marceau?

    ”               !”

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  21. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Catherine Winkworth:

    According to the Encyclopedia of Britain by Bamber Gascoigne (1993), it was Catherine Winkworth who, learning of General Charles James Napier’s ruthless and unauthorised, but successful campaign to conquer the Indian province of Sindh, “remarked to her teacher that Napier’s despatch to the governor-general of India, after capturing Sindh, should have been Peccavi (Latin for ‘I have sinned’: a pun on ‘I have Sindh’). She sent her joke to the new humorous magazine Punch, which printed it on 18 May 1844. She was then sixteen years old.

    [snip]

    The pun has usually been credited to Napier himself.

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  22. She Member
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    Yogi Berra?  Although the origins of many of his sayings are disputed, there’s no doubt he popularized them:

    When you come to a fork in the road, take it.

    It’s like déjà vu all over again.

    You can observe a lot just by watching.

    It ain’t over till it’s over.

    Nobody goes there anymore; it’s too crowded.

    The future ain’t what it used to be.

    And then my other favorite, which wasn’t Yogi Berra at all, but  rather Wee Willie Keeler, and which I think is always good advice, not only in baseball, but also in life:

    Keep your eye clear, and hit ’em where they ain’t.

    (To be perfectly fair, I have no idea if he ever said anything else even half as good, but that might be worth a spot just on its own.)

    PS:  And thus, with only two-and-a-half months to go, I have used up my entire allocation of “sports” comments for the year.

     

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    She (View Comment):
    PS: And thus, with only two-and-a-half months to go, I have used up my entire allocation of “sports” comments for the year.

    Sports comments? Yogi Berra is one of America’s greatest philosophers. 

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    She (View Comment):
    Keep your eye clear, and hit ’em where they ain’t.

    I shot sporting clays today, and shot them where they weren’t.  I didn’t do very well.

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