Vote Him In, or Republicans Stay Home

 

Mrs. iWe is beyond furious. She is downright incandescent. She will not vote in November unless the Republicans show spine and approve Kavanaugh. She wants the nomination rammed down the throats of the evil people who are inventing slanders to destroy good people.

She cannot be the only one who feels this way. If the Republicans do not show backbone on this pivotal issue, the base will not vote in the midterms.

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  1. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    But they’re not in the Senate, because someone decided to stay home. So how’s that working out for ya?

    Right. Staying at home is not a strategy for Republicans. However, getting Republican voters to stay at home is a strategy for Democrats.

    They’ve got a lot of strings to their bow. Here’s another, courtesy of California’s DMV, whose voter regrstration apparatus has some problems:

    Of the 3,000 additional wrongly enrolled voters, DMV officials said that as many as 2,500 had no prior history of registration and that there’s no clear answer as to what mistake was made that caused registration data for them to be sent to California’s secretary of state.

    Because the errors were identified early, none of the people were considered to be fully registered voters and none were able to cast ballots. DMV officials have said they believe all problems were resolved once the registration system was restarted Aug. 23.

    Sure. You bet.

    Rod Dreher today:

    Keep in mind that this is not a legal proceeding. This is a political event.In that specificsense, it seems clear to me at this point that the Democrats are winning big … so far. But then, Rachel Mitchell, the lawyer questioning on behalf of Republicans has not been asking anything that might be regarded as hostile. We’ll have to see if she’s going to ask questions that undermine Ford’s testimony. It’s hard for me to see how even a precise legal dissection of her testimony of the sort that would be useful in a trial would do Kavanaugh any political good, in terms of persuading the senators who are on the fence about his nomination.

    One of his commenters, a “white male progressive” lawyer for a progressive union:

    It’s a major part of my job to represent employees when their employment has been terminated. And if an employer wished to terminate an employee based on the evidence provided by Ford, my cries of outrage would ring to the heavens themselves. What I would say, and in a case I would win, is this: I think that Kavanaugh probably did the things he’s accused of. But you can’t prove it, not even to show it’s more likely than not. And without that, you can’t act on this allegation. So absent more damning proof, he should go through.

    I felt great about this. I wanted to post it on Facebook.

    And didn’t. Because to even suggest as a white guy that this white guy up for a Supreme Court seat and whose politics I generally detest should be given the benefit of the doubt when accused of attempted sexual assault on meager evidence would make me a pariah at my job and among much of my social circle.

    That’s scary. That’s not right. And that means I have to reconsider some premises.

     

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  2. iWe Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I think Mrs iWe should be given credit for a little Trumpian art-of-the-deal signalling. Republican squishes should believe they’ll be cast out into the darkness with wailing and gnashing of teeth if they don’t confirm Kavanaugh.

    Absolutely.

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  3. Miffed White Male Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    But they’re not in the Senate, because someone decided to stay home. So how’s that working out for ya?

    Right. Staying at home is not a strategy for Republicans. However, getting Republican voters to stay at home is a strategy for Democrats.

    So,  I can vote for Republicans, and not get the policies I support passed, or I can stay home, and not get the policies I support passed.

    At least in the second case I save a few bucks worth of gas.

     

     

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  4. Suspira Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    But they’re not in the Senate, because someone decided to stay home. So how’s that working out for ya?

    Right. Staying at home is not a strategy for Republicans. However, getting Republican voters to stay at home is a strategy for Democrats.

    So, I can vote for Republicans, and not get the policies I support passed, or I can stay home, and not get the policies I support passed.

    At least in the second case I save a few bucks worth of gas.

    No, if you stay home you can save fuel AND get lots of legislation you despise. A Democrat majority is not simply going to table bills you’d like. They’re going to ram through all kinds of pernicious laws. Preventing that is worth going to the polls for.

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  5. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The problem is not that you should not vote for the GOP in November. The problem will be why bother to spend the time voting for the GOP is all they are going to do is give in to the Democrats. Seriously. If it is already a lost cause then I might as well stay home and drink that day.

    Embrace the healing power of “and.” Vote while drunk

     

    Come to think of it, it’s the American thing to do, especially when someone else is buying:

    It’s Election Day in Virginia, an event that back in George Washington’s day would have had the ex-president and his supporters seeing double. The reason: Voting day was a reason to binge in Colonial times, and the candidate who served up the most hooch often won.

    Washington biographer Dennis Pogue, vice president of preservation at Washington’s home of Mount Vernon, reveals that the father of the nation lost his first campaign in 1755 to the House of Burgesses largely because he didn’t put on an alcohol-laden circus at the polls. That year, Washington got 40 votes. The winner, who plied voters with beer, whiskey, rum punch, and wine, got 271 votes.

     

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  6. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    I draw precisely the opposite lesson from recent events.  I will vote for any Republican against any Democrat no matter how incompetent, vile, or awful I think they may be.  I now wish Moore won in Alabama though he meets all three of my criteria in the prior sentence.

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  7. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    iWe: If the Republicans do not show backbone on this pivotal issue, the base will not vote in the midterms.

    What’s the definition of showing backbone? Let’s say 47 Republicans vote to confirm with 4 voting to reject — as may happen. That would be a reason not to vote for those four senators — nothing more.

    It’s like saying since Benedict Arnold betrayed the American Revolution, patriots should have abandoned the idea of independence.

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  8. Seawriter Contributor
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):
    It’s like saying since Benedict Arnold betrayed the American Revolution, patriots should have abandoned the idea of independence.

    The British would have been good with that.

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    Suspira (View Comment):
    No, if you stay home you can save fuel AND get lots of legislation you despise. A Democrat majority is not simply going to table bills you’d like. They’re going to ram through all kinds of pernicious laws. Preventing that is worth going to the polls for.

    Maybe.  I don’t think Trump will be shy with the Veto pen. 

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  10. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Bill Jacobson’s take from Legal Insurrection. Unfortunately, it sounds about right. RTWT:

    1. Republicans hiring THIS prosecutor, Rachel Mitchell, to question Ford was a mistake. Hiring an outside attorney to do the questioning was fine, and hiring a women to do that was politically expedient. But Mitchell was meandering, as if she had several hours to question the witness when she had only about an hour, broken up into 5-minute segments. Mitchell elicited important information, some of which poked substantial holes in Ford’s story. For example, Ford over the last three months has given different accounts as to the year or time frame, how many people were present, and so on.

    But this was a political event and Mitchell didn’t try, even respectfully, to score political points. Meanwhile, Democrats turned their 5-minute segments into made-for-TV and made-for-the-internet soundbites. This is what happens when Republicans run scared.

    [snip]

    4. Every person Ford identified as being at the party has signed sworn statements that it didn’t happen, including Ford’s female friend who supposedly was there that night. Those are facts that are not dependent on what Ford subjectively believes. She happens to believe something that is not true, which is why she might avoid a polygraph result reflecting deception.

    5. Ford’s lawyers and Democrats repeatedly lied to Republicans on the committee. Ford’s lawyers said she wasn’t available to testify earlier because she is afraid of flying. But the testimony was that she flew to D.C. earlier in the summer and regularly flies on airplanes, including long flights overseas. Republicans offered to travel to interview her in California, which offer was rejected, but she didn’t even know it had been offered. Just more cases of Republicans on the committee being played for fools.

    6. Ford going public was much more planned than we were led to believe. She hired lawyers and took a polygraph during late July and early August. Why do that if now expecting to go public? That really wasn’t pursued.

    Or, once again, the Democrats are out for blood with live blades and the Republicans are playing equestrian pandybat. (According to the ancient lore of the West Kingdom of the Society for Creative Anachronism,

    a Pandybat is a weapon (?) of Tournament Combat, which at first glance is obviously not a sword, mace, or axe, and at closer inspection does not have any relevance to fighting whatsoever. Pandybats are difficult to use, and so unlikely and clumsy in their handling and application that their use is preferred by only a minute coterie of devotees, who are often difficult to distinguish from fools and incompetents.)

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  11. B. Hugh Mann Inactive
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    At a funeral and can’t read all the comments now.

     If you don’t vote Republican then what else can happen but handing control back to the Democrats.  How on earth could that possibly be the moral and right thing to do?  They are completely insane. I’m livid and I am definitely going to vote and vote Republican.  

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  12. Kozak Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Or, once again, the Democrats are out for blood with live blades and the Republicans are playing equestrian pandybat.

    Pretty much what I expected.  Just once I’d like to see the GOP in hearings like this without totally screwing it up. Trump has every reason to be livid with them. He picked a wonderful candidate for SCOTUS and they totally beclownded themselves. Again.

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  13. Front Seat Cat Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.

    I agree – and it’s a sad day for many – including Ford. If Judge Kavanaugh has not been honest, it’s curtains for him. There are holes and questions but clearly something terrible happened to her. Let’s wait and see.

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  14. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Or, once again, the Democrats are out for blood with live blades and the Republicans are playing equestrian pandybat.

    Pretty much what I expected. Just once I’d like to see the GOP in hearings like this without totally screwing it up. Trump has every reason to be livid with them. He picked a wonderful candidate for SCOTUS and they totally beclownded themselves. Again.

    Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times…

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  15. George Townsend Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.

    I agree – and it’s a sad day for many – including Ford. If Judge Kavanaugh has not been honest, it’s curtains for him. There are holes and questions but clearly something terrible happened to her. Let’s wait and see.

    I am disappointed that the lady prosecutor didn’t bring up the fact that were two guys last night who told the committee they think they are the one who did this to Mrs. Ford – not Kavanaugh. 

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Larry3435 (View Comment):
    But they’re not in the Senate, because someone decided to stay home. So how’s that working out for ya?

    Right. Staying at home is not a strategy for Republicans. However, getting Republican voters to stay at home is a strategy for Democrats.

    So, I can vote for Republicans, and not get the policies I support passed, or I can stay home, and not get the policies I support passed.

    At least in the second case I save a few bucks worth of gas.

     

     

    Not a good enough excuse.  Republicans might not get the policies you support passed, but Democrats will get policies you abhor passed . . .

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  17. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Not a good enough excuse. Some Republicans might not get the policies you support passed, but Democrats and other Republicans will get policies you abhor passed . . .

    FIFY.

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  18. Stad Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Not a good enough excuse. Some Republicans might not get the policies you support passed, but Democrats and other Republicans will get policies you abhor passed . . .

    FIFY.

    Hehe . . . thanks!

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  19. Front Seat Cat Member
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.

    I agree – and it’s a sad day for many – including Ford. If Judge Kavanaugh has not been honest, it’s curtains for him. There are holes and questions but clearly something terrible happened to her. Let’s wait and see.

    I am disappointed that the lady prosecutor didn’t bring up the fact that were two guys last night who told the committee they think they are the one who did this to Mrs. Ford – not Kavanaugh.

    Who would admit that? Was it fake news?

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  20. Theodoric of Freiberg Inactive
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):
    It’s like saying since Benedict Arnold betrayed the American Revolution, patriots should have abandoned the idea of independence.

    The British would have been good with that.

    As the Democrats will be if Republican voters stay home in November.

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  21. Leigh Inactive
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    At this particular moment I’ll vote for Lindsey Graham’s party any day, no matter what Murkowski, Collins, and Flake may do.

    But absolutely they should fight this with everything they have.  This nomination should not be pulled without a fight. Make them vote. 

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    Leigh (View Comment):

    At this particular moment I’ll vote for Lindsey Graham’s party any day, no matter what Murkowski, Collins, and Flake may do.

    But absolutely they should fight this with everything they have. This nomination should not be pulled without a fight. Make them vote.

    Maybe the three stooges should be primaried.

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  23. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    You can vote for the party that uses logic and rule of law or else you can vote for the party of HER:

    Feinstein vs. Kavanaugh, in a few short minutes

    https://youtu.be/XhwIelUSV4Y

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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.

    I agree – and it’s a sad day for many – including Ford. If Judge Kavanaugh has not been honest, it’s curtains for him. There are holes and questions but clearly something terrible happened to her. Let’s wait and see.

    I am disappointed that the lady prosecutor didn’t bring up the fact that were two guys last night who told the committee they think they are the one who did this to Mrs. Ford – not Kavanaugh.

    Who would admit that? Was it fake news?

    It was on several outlets this morning. The committee got such a claim.

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  25. Leigh Inactive
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Leigh (View Comment):

    At this particular moment I’ll vote for Lindsey Graham’s party any day, no matter what Murkowski, Collins, and Flake may do.

    But absolutely they should fight this with everything they have. This nomination should not be pulled without a fight. Make them vote.

    Maybe the three stooges should be primaried.

    Collins isn’t up this year, Flake’s retiring, and Murkowski has been primaried before.  Heitkamp, Manchin, Donnelly, Baldwin —  focus on the people who are actually running for something. 

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  26. Leigh Inactive
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):

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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.

    I agree – and it’s a sad day for many – including Ford. If Judge Kavanaugh has not been honest, it’s curtains for him. There are holes and questions but clearly something terrible happened to her. Let’s wait and see.

    I am disappointed that the lady prosecutor didn’t bring up the fact that were two guys last night who told the committee they think they are the one who did this to Mrs. Ford – not Kavanaugh.

    Who would admit that? Was it fake news?

    It was on several outlets this morning. The committee got such a claim.

    Lindsey Graham has said he didn’t find those credible, and given his tone on this I’d trust him.  Unless there’s proof that they moved in the right social circles and are willing to put their names on it, it’s probably a fruitless line of questioning.  She won’t admit it. 

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  27. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The problem is not that you should not vote for the GOP in November. The problem will be why bother to spend the time voting for the GOP is all they are going to do is give in to the Democrats. Seriously. If it is already a lost cause then I might as well stay home and drink that day.

    Because giving in and staying home won’t make things better. The better thing to do – in my opinion – is to keep the Democrats at bay this time by turning out and voting. Then when the primaries start up again, start kicking people out.

    I have friends that do not follow politics and do not vote because it is pointless.  From their point of view the elites will do whatever they want and no matter which ones get their way us plebs get the shaft.  I have come to believe there may be truth and wisdom in their point of view.  

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  28. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The problem is not that you should not vote for the GOP in November. The problem will be why bother to spend the time voting for the GOP is all they are going to do is give in to the Democrats. Seriously. If it is already a lost cause then I might as well stay home and drink that day.

    Because giving in and staying home won’t make things better. The better thing to do – in my opinion – is to keep the Democrats at bay this time by turning out and voting. Then when the primaries start up again, start kicking people out.

    I have friends that do not follow politics and do not vote because it is pointless. From their point of view the elites will do whatever they want and no matter which ones get their way us plebs get the shaft. I have come to believe there may be truth and wisdom in their point of view.

    There sure is if you live in California.

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  29. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The problem is not that you should not vote for the GOP in November. The problem will be why bother to spend the time voting for the GOP is all they are going to do is give in to the Democrats. Seriously. If it is already a lost cause then I might as well stay home and drink that day.

    Because giving in and staying home won’t make things better. The better thing to do – in my opinion – is to keep the Democrats at bay this time by turning out and voting. Then when the primaries start up again, start kicking people out.

    I have friends that do not follow politics and do not vote because it is pointless. From their point of view the elites will do whatever they want and no matter which ones get their way us plebs get the shaft. I have come to believe there may be truth and wisdom in their point of view.

    There sure is if you live in California.

    I think there may be no matter where you live.  From what I can tell the power that be will do what they want to line their pockets with citizens cash.  Democrat / Republican are just different groups of thieves stealing from us.  

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  30. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    There sure is if you live in California.

    I think there may be no matter where you live. From what I can tell the power that be will do what they want to line their pockets with citizens cash. Democrat / Republican are just different groups of thieves stealing from us.

    Well, using California as an example, the differences between California under Republican Governor Pete Wilson (or even semi-Republican Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger), and California under the current Jerry Brown/Democratic Politburo regime include:  violent felons being released from prisons by the thousands, streets overrun with homeless mentally ill drug addicts, industry fleeing the state, middle class people fleeing the state, illegal aliens being welcomed into the state by the millions, much higher taxes, urban “planners” devoted to driving people out of their cars by creating intolerable traffic jams, boondoggles like the 10 billion dollar “bullet train to nowhere,” among many others.  Maybe you can’t tell the difference between the formerly Golden State and the current misbegotten hybrid of Tijuana and Venezuela, but I can.  Which is why I fled California in 2014. 

    On the federal level, maybe you can’t tell the difference between a Supreme Court comprised of Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s and one comprised of Brett Kavanaugh’s, but I can. 

    It all sounds so fashionably cynical to just say “they’re all a bunch of crooks and there’s no difference between the parties.”  If you really believe that, maybe you should try living in California.  The weather is great, and if you can’t tell the difference between the communist apocalypse currently taking place and the great state California used to be when it had Governors like Ronald Reagan, you’d probably like it there.

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