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Vote Him In, or Republicans Stay Home
Mrs. iWe is beyond furious. She is downright incandescent. She will not vote in November unless the Republicans show spine and approve Kavanaugh. She wants the nomination rammed down the throats of the evil people who are inventing slanders to destroy good people.
She cannot be the only one who feels this way. If the Republicans do not show backbone on this pivotal issue, the base will not vote in the midterms.
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I agree with your Mrs., but the alternative is the same one we had in 2016; just too awful to contemplate.
Politics in this country has become almost mortal combat.
I suspect Mrs. iWe is not the only one incandescent. I think the Republicans in the Senate are, too. They are going to hear Ford tomorrow (or not, if Ford refuses to show), then vote Kavanaugh through committee – and then vote to confirm Kavanaugh as a Justice on either Friday or Saturday.
I’d love to hear the following two questions asked:
If yes then:
2. Your polygraph test was taken in Maryland on August 7. You were in California on August 10? How did you get there?
If no:
2. Why did you lie to the committee about being afraid to fly?
I certainly hope you can talk her out of that.
EODDad as well. He is NOT easily given to anger in almost any situation. Currently in a state almost constant fury. EODMom making many more phone calls to USSenate than I am accustomed to. And I’m not bound by state of residence. Not voting is not an option. Totalitarians will NOT stop – they never have and will not in this situation. We must take them at face value and act accordingly.
It’s crucial that we all vote, more than ever before. I’m very much afraid that if and when they ever regain power, they’ll never let go again. Their goal is to change the demographics of the country irreversibly, flooding us with Democrat voters so that no Republican will ever hold office again. There was a time when I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but I can see it happening now. This is no time to get all uppity about our “principles” and think we are making a statement by staying home. Nobody will care about your Statement when we’re turning into Venezuela.
Mrs Ekosj. My lovely bride. The most even keeled, kindest and gentlest spirit I know, is ready to join Mrs iWe on the barricades. I mean … I’m mad. But then I’m an excitable boy. But my oh my … she is livid! I have never seen her so exercised about politics. I think it’s the blatant affront to her fundamental sense of fairness … and being perpetrated by women.
I believe we are standing for principles. The principles of democracy and freedom. Those are the fundamental God-given principles and speech, religion, property, association, right to bear arms are the exemplars. They aren’t the limiting rights allowed in any sense of the word. If you don’t have those principles in sight, we don’t have much to back us up. And I don’t mind being explicit that the principles I’m defending are the correct ones. The ones the totalitarians promote are just wrong. So I’m calling Sen Flake AGAIN tomorrow morning.
The problem is not that you should not vote for the GOP in November. The problem will be why bother to spend the time voting for the GOP is all they are going to do is give in to the Democrats. Seriously. If it is already a lost cause then I might as well stay home and drink that day.
I understand her anger, and her frustration, but I would urge her to vote in the midterms. Express your disgust at the ballot box. We cannot control what other people think, or what they say. So remember there were enough people that expressed themselves two years ago, and Hillary Clinton was kept of the White House. All we can do is to vote, and hope that there are enough people like your wife that will express her anger at the ballot box.
The GOP can certainly be disappointing, but look at how the Democrats are conducting themselves. They waited until after the confirmation hearings ended and then came back with. . . high school parties, flashing in college, and now a porn lawyer is talking about repeated gang rapes. All terrible events that people evidently failed to mention for several decades. GOP may be weak, but the alternative is just plain evil.
Not sure how this is playing with the less political folks in the middle but at some point people have to say that enough is enough. I think Dems are hurting their own cause, but I have over-estimated the American voters before.
I don’t think he’ll care. The NTers are very firm in their moral certitude, and he doesn’t care about re-election. But call hm anyway.
No can do. There’s too much at stake for the future. And I’ll be livid, too, if they don’t confirm him.
As @jimmcconnell, @seawriter, @rightangles, and @eodmom have said, the stakes are too high to allow anger at the feckless faux-repubs to keep us at home in November. As much as it would whet our red-meat “there will be blood” ire, the fact is that the Dims that will replace them will be even worse than feckless, but virulently destructive of the hard won changes since the Obamalypse ended.
On the bright side, McMaverick has been replaced with a solid R; McSally is poised to replace Flake; Marsha Blackburn is likely to replace Corker… (BTW, I wonder if those two will open a law practice: “Corker Flake”? Just sayin’).
Anyway, I think the left (Dims, MSM, Hollywood, etc, etc) have vastly overplayed their hand, and just about everyone who isn’t glassy-eyed-RESIST! has noticed.
If I vote for the Dems they might get what they want.
If I stay home the Dems might get what they want.
If I vote Republican the Dems still might get what they want?
Republicans have to give their voters a reason to turn out. Caving on this is not a reason. It is cliche, but this is how you got Trump. The Republicans were afraid to fight for their voters or live up to their campaign promises. Grassley and McConnell have been solid. This could end some other Republicans careers.
I will vote. But Mrs. iWe is principled, and she has had it with squishes. Yes: we all know that a squish is better than a socialist. But even squishes should understand that they hurt themselves at the polls by not confirming Kavanaugh.
Hope their principles comfort them when we no longer have a Second amendment and maybe not even a First.
I totally get where Mrs. iWe is coming from. I feel the same way – honestly I do. But the above is the reality of the situation, so I don’t see how staying home this time would make anything better – more like cutting off your nose to spite your face. However, primaries will be starting up again soon, and that – in my opinion – is the time act. Start kicking some people out.
Because giving in and staying home won’t make things better. The better thing to do – in my opinion – is to keep the Democrats at bay this time by turning out and voting. Then when the primaries start up again, start kicking people out.
Actually, his allies of convenience on the left have made things very inconvenient for him. He had to go to the Senate floor and pretend to be upset at the leftist character assassination of Kavanaugh and his family. Senator Graham, no Trump fan, has come out today and said a “no” vote is necessarily an affirmation of the smear that Judge Kavanaugh is reasonably believed to be a sexual predator. Flake may be pushed into a “yes” vote by the toxic dump that is the anti-Kavanaugh campaign.
I don’t like to, but I have come around to this position. They are evil.
I’ve had it with squishes too, but I’d still encourage her to really think about the possible consequences of not voting now could be. Come primary time, though, absolutely start kicking some people out.
I feel the same way, and by the way I’m principled too, and I’m voting. Not voting for our side would be like letting them burn our house down while we sit and do nothing and then at the end we say “Guess I showed them.”
We’re already *in* the alternative scenario that’s ‘too awful to contemplate’. If the Repulsivecants don’t vote to approve Judge Kavanaugh, they are no more worthy of support than the Demoncrats. I’ve had enough of “strategic” voting to last me the rest of my lifetime…Conscience first: Rah, Mrs. iWe!
Instead, how about we only vote for candidates who promise they would vote for Kav or someone like him if given the chance under similar circumstances.
The boldest move, if we are betrayed now, is to demand vindication, and public apology to the Kavanaugh family, by revoting (without further bogus hearings) the day the new Congress is sworn in. Let your candidate run on forcing such a vote, and making any vote for leadership contingent on that vote happening.
Alternatively, connect confirmation with two things:
1. Who gets to keep leadership in the Senate party. Lose this vote and lose your perks of leadership. Make your Senate candidate, if you have one, know they either come out on this publicly now or lose your vote, support, money.
2. Any Republican Senator who breaks faith with multi-cycle party promise, and who collides in the smear by voting anything other than “yes,” must be immediately stripped of committee assignments. They are not members in good standing. Departing members who betray the party, will be persona no grata after their term ends, along with any entity that gives them financial aid and comfort afterwards. Again, your candidate must declare the intent to only support current leadership if they show loyalty to us over loyalty to their Senate club members.
This is a multiyear renovation, following our hostile takeover, of the Congressional Republican parties. Flake wants you to stay home. He wants you to collapse like the Tea Party. So shove your MAGA supporting candidates down the establishment’s throats.
How angry am I? Let me count the ways – livid, incandescent, murderous…..
I have already warned Mr AZ not to seat me next to anyone in a social situation who might have a D next to their name on the voting rolls. I don’t think I could be civil.
But I can’t not vote. The alternative to stupid is evil.
If I believed things couldn’t get worse, Nanda, I might agree with sitting out. I don’t like the idea of “rewarding” bad behavior on the part of the Republicans either. But I don’t believe that. I think that if the Democrats take the House and Senate because people refuse to vote this go-round, things will get worse – much worse.
I believe some of those who plan to stay home are fans of Flake and Ben Sasse.
Bring it, I’m already going to get it as a believing Christian, and as a non-producing disabled person. I put no trust in princes, not one! If there’s one thing this former political junkie has learned, that’s it.
Similarly, the lovely Mrs. Augustine.