The Pope’s Point Man in the USA on the Sex Abuse Crisis

 

Cardinal Cupich of Chicago responds to the allegations in the Vigano Letter. This is outrageous.

“The Pope knows we have a bigger agenda. He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this. … …Quite frankly, they also don’t like him because he’s a Latino.” —Cardinal Cupich

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  1. John Seymour Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    So, this Cardinal says that the Pope doesn’t have time to deal with petty matters like a massive coverup of sexual abuses of children in the Catholic church, because he is so busy dealing with important matters of the Catholic church, such as:

    Scott Wilmot: “The Pope knows we have a bigger agenda. He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church.

    That is what he thinks the Catholic church’s mission is. The man is a Cardinal.

    The Catholic church, believe it or not, may actually have bigger problems than this sexual abuse scandal cover up. It apparently doesn’t even know why it exists, or what its purpose is. My goodness.

    Absolutely unbelievable.

    It is.  I’ve always disagreed with the progressive wing of the Church, and have had my doubts about their priorities, but that a cardinal would say this is shocking.  The Catholic Church should have two goals: convert the unconverted, lead the converted to sainthood.  If we do that, everything else, the environment, immigration and everything else will take care of itself.

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  2. John Seymour Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    That is what he thinks the Catholic church’s mission is. The man is a Cardinal.

    Cupich is the Pope’s main sycophant in the USA. He was promoted by McCarrick (that is the accusation from Viganò) He is part of the lavender mafia. It is a real question whether or not he has supernatural faith. The man is a disgrace.

    It is unbelievable as you say. That is why we the faithful are calling for the cleansing of this filth from the Church.

    To say that the Church doesn’t know its mission is as outrageous as what Cupich said.

    I think that is exactly what Cupich said.

    I don’t disagree with you. But he doesn’t speak for the Church. That is why many call for his resignation.

    I agree with @dr.bastiat. Cupich is a cardinal.  By his very role he speaks for the Church.  That he would say such things is disgraceful and yes he should resign.  I suspect this is the least of his sins. 

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    Cupich is a cardinal worthy of Chicago, not one worthy of the Church.

    I was visiting with the Franciscan Friars at Marytown one weekend this summer. One of the friars said to me, “That’s a picture of Blase Cupich, he’s our Cardinal. We wish that he wasn’t. We’d pretty much have anyone else but him.”

    I keep telling myself, Jesus will purify His Church. Jesus will purify His Church…

    I think (and hope) that that is what is starting to happen now.  But it will be brutal.  We each have to pick up our crosses and follow the Lord where he leads.

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  4. Scott Wilmot Member
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    John Seymour (View Comment):
    Cupich is a cardinal. By his very role he speaks for the Church. That he would say such things is disgraceful and yes he should resign. I suspect this is the least of his sins.

    He only speaks for the Church when he speaks in union with the Magisterium and Tradition. I find what he says and thinks about climate change being more important than sexual morality and chastity in the priesthood to be apostasy – that is not speaking for the Church. That is just a SJW flapping his gums.

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    PedroIg (View Comment):

    I find it interesting that one of the alleged statements of Pope Francis in the Vigano letter/testimony was Francis’s preference for “pastoral” bishops rather than “ideologized” (which I’m guessing means a bishop who is captive of an ideology?). In any event, Cupich’s response to Vigano’s charges sounds way more ideologized than pastoral.

    In papalspeak, “ideologized” means traditional and faithful and “pastoral” means in full alignment with Francis’ goals of changing a few of the “outmoded” thoughts of the Church.  Nothing important, just things like sin, hell, holiness.  Can’t make people feel bad.  It wouldn’t be “pastoral.”

    As someone else has said, he may not believe in hell now, he will when he gets there.

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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    So . . . looks like the Babylon Bee predicted this two weeks ago:

    I think the Pope himself challenges the Bee for satire.

    It was just over a week ago that Pope Francis issued a Letter to the People of God on the world-wide sex abuse/cover-up crisis in the Church. He wrote:

    “This awareness of being part of a people and a shared history will enable us to acknowledge our past sins and mistakes with a penitential openness that can allow us to be renewed from within. Without the active participation of all the Church’s members, everything being done to uproot the culture of abuse in our communities will not be successful in generating the necessary dynamics for sound and realistic change.” (my emphasis)

    It was just a few days ago when he was asked on the plane returning from his Apostolic Visit to Ireland to comment on the allegations in the Vigano Letter. He said:

    I am not going to say a word about this. (my emphasis)

    So much for penitential openness, I guess. Who will ever believe another word from this man? The following may be the most honest statement he has been reported to utter:

    “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.”

    I read an analysis yesterday that said schism is almost certain.  If Francis doesn’t resign, some number of orthodox will hold him to be an anti-pope and refuse to follow him.  If he does resign, some number of progressives will claim it was coerced and therefore invalid and claim that he is still pope and his successor is invalid.  What a mess.

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  7. Scott Wilmot Member
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    John Seymour (View Comment):
    What a mess.

    As someone famously said:

    ¡Hagan lío!

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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    John Seymour (View Comment):
    Cupich is a cardinal. By his very role he speaks for the Church. That he would say such things is disgraceful and yes he should resign. I suspect this is the least of his sins.

    He only speaks for the Church when he speaks in union with the Magisterium and Tradition. I find what he says and thinks about climate change being more important than sexual morality and chastity in the priesthood to be apostasy – that is not speaking for the Church. That is just a SJW flapping his gums.

    When a cardinal speaks about Church matters, he is inevitably a spokesman for the Church and purportedly speaking for the Church.  That, of course, does not mean his blatherings have any teaching authority.  But it is exactly because his comments betray his role as a cardinal that he must resign.

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    It is their Church. They own and run the infrastructure. They do not own the flock and the flock’s souls. The Church’s flock needs to abandon the Church and let it die. A new infrastructure can be built later on the old Church’s ashes.

    Why should the corrupt and immoral inherent the Church? Is that not exactly backwards? I’m an outsider but that seems entirely wrong to me. Should not the moral and resolute force out the corruption instead of retreating before it?

    You seem fatalistic such that you believe it is impossible to even try.

    Because they have already won.  We are just finding out about it now.  

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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    There is seemingly no end to this rot.

    Thanks for finding this! I was having trouble the other day in locating everyone’s favorite cocaine gay sex fueled orgy enabling Cardinal. And now you can dance to it.

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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Does anyone have any further details on this? Some counter-example?

    I expected the media to downplay this but are they attempting to ignore it completely?

     

    Have you not been following the adventures of George Neumayr has he visits the Nunciature and requests the documents? Everyone appears to have gone into hiding and his encounters of various prelates and priests and nuns is sometimes darkly hilarious. They’re likely attempting to shred all documentary evidence, but the good guys suspect multiple copies have already been made.

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  12. Instugator Thatcher
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    Because they have already won.

    No they haven’t. This is just the part where the corruption is made visible to all and before the correction occurs.

    The victory occurred almost 2K years ago.

    Winning is defined by who spends eternity where.

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  13. Bane White Trailer Trash Inactive
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    https://twitter.com/EMaguire1776/status/1034960633991778304

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  14. Bane White Trailer Trash Inactive
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    https://twitter.com/EMaguire1776/status/1035050182570848256

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  15. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    he refused the papal apartments

    Probably because he wanted no questions when he had extra keys made.

    Ouch!

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  16. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Keith SF (View Comment):
    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    I’m not sure if Social Justice Warriors are interested in understanding basic terminology.

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  17. Instugator Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    I’m not sure if Social Justice Warriors are interested in understanding basic terminology.

    You can be sure. They aren’t

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Ahahahaaaaa! Deelightful! 

    Only the people in the small village of Bricco Marmorito seem to know “Bergoglio” is Italian! And I suspect they’re starting to regret it. 

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  19. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Keith SF (View Comment):
    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    Perhaps he’s a “white Latino” just like George Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic.”

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  20. John Seymour Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Roberto (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    It is their Church. They own and run the infrastructure. They do not own the flock and the flock’s souls. The Church’s flock needs to abandon the Church and let it die. A new infrastructure can be built later on the old Church’s ashes.

    Why should the corrupt and immoral inherent the Church? Is that not exactly backwards? I’m an outsider but that seems entirely wrong to me. Should not the moral and resolute force out the corruption instead of retreating before it?

    You seem fatalistic such that you believe it is impossible to even try.

    Because they have already won. We are just finding out about it now.

    Oh for goodness sakes.  Have you ever prayed to ask God to have the Holy Spirit to clean up the Church?  What do you think that looks like?  I’ll give you a hint:

    Rozłam w Kościele katolickim! Włoski arcybiskup Carlo ...

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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Keith SF (View Comment):
    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    Perhaps he’s a “white Latino” just like George Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic.”

    Great minds, Joseph.  I had the exact same thought.

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  22. Ed G. Member
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Keith SF (View Comment):
    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    Perhaps he’s a “white Latino” just like George Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic.”

    Aren’t Italians Latino too? Seems like many Italians I know are less white than the Pope anyway. 

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  23. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Aren’t Italians Latino too? Seems like many Italians I know are less white than the Pope anyway. 

    Given that Italians are descended from the Latins, one could argue they are the original Latinos.

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  24. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Keith SF (View Comment):
    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    Perhaps he’s a “white Latino” just like George Zimmerman was a “white Hispanic.”

    Aren’t Italians Latino too? Seems like many Italians I know are less white than the Pope anyway.

    They are whatever they need to be to call people racist.  

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  25. Scott Wilmot Member
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    This is a sign of hope.

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  26. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Virgen del Rosario Coronada – aka The Virgin of Lepanto. And yes, I believe she is armed and armored. And I think we need her badly. More rosaries

    Our Lady of Victory, pray for us.

    An armed and armored Holy Mother, bringer of victory over the Muslim Turks on behalf of the Holy League?

    I do not think you could find a more triggering image for the Left and their modernist catspaws in the Catholic hierarchy.

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