The Pope’s Point Man in the USA on the Sex Abuse Crisis

 

Cardinal Cupich of Chicago responds to the allegations in the Vigano Letter. This is outrageous.

“The Pope knows we have a bigger agenda. He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this. … …Quite frankly, they also don’t like him because he’s a Latino.” —Cardinal Cupich

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  1. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Probably time to put the vatican on the travel ban list.

    • #61
  2. Chuckles Coolidge
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    @Chuckles

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link.  One of the comments I saw there was this:  

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church:  Neither is the Pope.  Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith.  From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent.  That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    • #62
  3. Roberto Inactive
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    What a headline, takes the high road? Really??

    https://twitter.com/TPCarney/status/1034825495156846593

     

    • #63
  4. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    What a headline, takes the high road? Really??

    It’s those darned Conservatives mucking things up for the Catholic hierarchy again don’t you know.

    You’d think even the NYT would have enough common sense to say nothing rather than beclown themselves.

    • #64
  5. Scott Wilmot Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    So . . . looks like the Babylon Bee predicted this two weeks ago:

    I think the Pope himself challenges the Bee for satire.

    It was just over a week ago that Pope Francis issued a Letter to the People of God on the world-wide sex abuse/cover-up crisis in the Church. He wrote:

    “This awareness of being part of a people and a shared history will enable us to acknowledge our past sins and mistakes with a penitential openness that can allow us to be renewed from within. Without the active participation of all the Church’s members, everything being done to uproot the culture of abuse in our communities will not be successful in generating the necessary dynamics for sound and realistic change.” (my emphasis)

    It was just a few days ago when he was asked on the plane returning from his Apostolic Visit to Ireland to comment on the allegations in the Vigano Letter. He said:

    I am not going to say a word about this. (my emphasis)

    So much for penitential openness, I guess. Who will ever believe another word from this man? The following may be the most honest statement he has been reported to utter:

    “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.”

    • #65
  6. Instugator Thatcher
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    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    So . . . looks like the Babylon Bee predicted this two weeks ago:

    Pope Says He Will Address Sex Abuse Scandal Once He’s Finished Talking About Climate Change

    VATICAN CITY—In his first public statement on the horrifying, devastating report on sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, Pope Francis stated he would address the controversy in detail once he’s done talking about climate change for a few more weeks.

    The head of the Roman Catholic Church claimed he is deeply concerned with the tragic report, but is “just too swamped” with work fighting climate change, criticizing capitalism, and advocating for other issues of social justice to talk about the repulsive report at the moment.

    “Rest assured, once I have exhausted my talking points on the need for government policies to crack down on their carbon footprints, we’ll start looking this report over,” he said. “Then I’ll be sure to make a statement on it. We just didn’t want to jump to conclusions too early, something that we’re not concerned about with man-made climate change. Just with this.”

    The Vatican vowed to launch a full investigation on the matter just as soon as it could, but it would have to wait until Western countries reduce their carbon emissions another 15%. “This is by far the most pressing issue facing the Church of Jesus Christ right now,” the College of Cardinals said in a statement.

     

    The workload on satirists to keep ahead of this Pontificate is awe inspiring.

    Muggeridge’s law in action.

    • #66
  7. Nerina Bellinger Inactive
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    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    As a practicing Catholic, I thank you @chuckles for this insightful comment.  The needed purification and cleansing of the Church is now squarely on the shoulders of the faithful because too many in leadership are in no moral or spiritual position to enact needed reforms.  Pull out the big guns – no more money for the Bishops, write letters to your diocesan Bishop and cc the local paper.  Comment on Twitter, sign petitions, call in to Catholic radio and did I mention – no money to the Bishops?!

    • #67
  8. Instugator Thatcher
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    So . . . looks like the Babylon Bee predicted this two weeks ago:

    Pope Says He Will Address Sex Abuse Scandal Once He’s Finished Talking About Climate Change

    VATICAN CITY—In his first public statement on the horrifying, devastating report on sexual abuse within the Catholic Church, Pope Francis stated he would address the controversy in detail once he’s done talking about climate change for a few more weeks.

    The head of the Roman Catholic Church claimed he is deeply concerned with the tragic report, but is “just too swamped” with work fighting climate change, criticizing capitalism, and advocating for other issues of social justice to talk about the repulsive report at the moment.

    “Rest assured, once I have exhausted my talking points on the need for government policies to crack down on their carbon footprints, we’ll start looking this report over,” he said. “Then I’ll be sure to make a statement on it. We just didn’t want to jump to conclusions too early, something that we’re not concerned about with man-made climate change. Just with this.”

    The Vatican vowed to launch a full investigation on the matter just as soon as it could, but it would have to wait until Western countries reduce their carbon emissions another 15%. “This is by far the most pressing issue facing the Church of Jesus Christ right now,” the College of Cardinals said in a statement.

     

    The workload on satirists to keep ahead of this Pontificate is awe inspiring.

    Muggeridge’s law in action.

    The Babylon Bee just doubled down on Muggeridge’s Law.

    In a private moment of reflection after watching one of his cardinals state that the head of the Roman Catholic Church was too busy speaking about the environment, addressing migrant issues, and “carrying on the work of the church” to address victims of the Church’s horrific sex abuse scandal, the Pontiff suddenly realized he might actually be the eschatological Antichrist.

    It is like they are taunting – Reality this, B!^#h!

    • #68
  9. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Chuckles (View Comment):

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    Thank you, well said!

    There are indeed many millions of us, specifically 1.4 billion at last count.

    • #69
  10. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    The Babylon Bee just doubled down on Muggeridge’s Law.

    In a private moment of reflection after watching one of his cardinals state that the head of the Roman Catholic Church was too busy speaking about the environment, addressing migrant issues, and “carrying on the work of the church” to address victims of the Church’s horrific sex abuse scandal, the Pontiff suddenly realized he might actually be the eschatological Antichrist.

    It is like they are taunting – Reality this, B!^#h!

    Heh.

    “Oh man,” he murmured as he took a good, hard look at himself in the mirror. “Too busy talking about the environment to care for those abused by the Church? That sounds so bad. I wonder if I’m actually the Antichrist. Or at least an antichrist, like the ones John wrote about.” He took a few minutes to think about it, shaking his head and muttering to himself.

    The Pope then flipped through biblical passages talking about the evil antagonist in the book of Revelation, trying to figure out if his suspicions were accurate. “Yup. Ugh. The large, ornate hat does seem to fit,” he was forced to admit at length.

    • #70
  11. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    It is almost incomprehensible to fathom the evil that these sodomites perpetuate in the Vatican. These are evil evil men.

    All faithful Catholics and men of good will should listen to this podcast by Ann Barnhardt. She has been villivied as a nut job by many Catholics and the secular world, but everything she has been saying since the “election” of Jorge Mario Bergoglio as Pope has come to pass.

    Pope Benedict XVI – we desperately need to hear from you. My prayers cry out for your safety and for your courage. Do not disappoint us again Holy Father Benedict. There is no one in the Church Militant to whom I look up to more than you. We need your witness Father.

    St. Augustine, pray for us.

    Apparently Archbishop Vigano is fearful for his safety and has gone into hiding.  This is seismic…

    • #71
  12. Roberto Inactive
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    Well no one can say the warning signs were not there. 

    Alarm bells should have been going off well over a year ago that cleaning house was no priority for Francis, quite the opposite. 

    • #72
  13. Chuckles Coolidge
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    Nerina Bellinger (View Comment):

    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    As a practicing Catholic, I thank you @chuckles for this insightful comment. The needed purification and cleansing of the Church is now squarely on the shoulders of the faithful because too many in leadership are in no moral or spiritual position to enact needed reforms. Pull out the big guns – no more money for the Bishops, write letters to your diocesan Bishop and cc the local paper. Comment on Twitter, sign petitions, call in to Catholic radio and did I mention – no money to the Bishops?!

    The sins and foibles of men can only serve to demonstrate the Holiness of God.   “Let God be true and every man a liar” – Rom. 3:4 (whole passage is appropriate)

     

    • #73
  14. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):
    Alarm bells should have been going off well over a year ago that cleaning house was no priority for Francis, quite the opposite. 

    Sources now claim this is why Francis canned Cardinal Muller and three priests from the CDF: they actually wanted to follow Church procedures.

    BREAKING: Vatican Source: Pope Dismissed Cardinal Muller for Following Church Rules on Abuse Cases

    A highly placed Vatican source told LifeSiteNews that Cardinal Gerhard Müller, together with his much-experienced three CDF priests, was dismissed by Pope Francis because they all had tried to follow loyally the Church’s standing rules concerning abusive clergymen. In one specific case, Müller opposed the Pope’ wanting to re-instate Don Mauro Inzoli, an unmistakably cruel abuser of many boys; but the Pope would not listen to Müller. In another case, the Pope decided not to give a Vatican apartment to one of Müller’s own secretaries, but to the now-infamous Monsignor Luigi Capozzi, in spite of the fact that someone had warned the Pope about Capozzi’s grave problems. The Vatican source also said that it was known to several people in the Vatican that some restrictions were put on Cardinal McCarrick by Pope Benedict XVI, and he thereby confirms Viganò’s own claim.

    When LifeSiteNews reached out to this very trustworthy and well-informed Vatican source, asking him about the then-breaking Viganò story and the archbishop’s allegations that Pope Francis knew of McCarrick’s habitual abuse, he answered: “Cardinal Müller [as Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF)] had always decidedly and most sharply followed up on these abuse cases, and that is why he was dismissed, just as his three good collaborators [the three CDF priests] were also dismissed.”

    • #74
  15. Scott Wilmot Member
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    A very good article from Matt Walsh.

    And the weakest defense of all is the one offered by Francis. It is weak because it is non-existent. He offers no defense. He gives us no explanation. He waves us off dismissively, as he has been doing to faithful Catholics for six years. Can it be reasonably imagined that an innocent man would behave this way? The accusations are clear and easily denied if false. If Francis never knew about McCarrick’s predatory behavior, he can say so. If Francis never lifted any sanctions, he can say so. It should not take three days to figure out how to say, “This thing didn’t happen.”

    The only explanation that reasonably ties together all of these factors — the accusations, the reaction (or lack thereof) from the bishops, the Pope’s silence — is that Francis is guilty. We still cannot say with certainty that he is guilty, but we can say that everything points to guilt. We have been given no reason to disbelieve the allegations and several reasons to believe them. And, aside from the question of guilt or innocence, Pope Francis has provided us with strong evidence of something else: that he is a coward.

    • #75
  16. Scott Wilmot Member
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    There is seemingly no end to this rot.

    • #76
  17. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Boom. Bishop Steven Lopes, First Bishop of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter.

    • #77
  18. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    @OmegaPaladin

    Uh, who provides confession for the pope?  There has to be some spiritual advisor or confessor for him.

    Also, if the pope is unrepentant of grave sin, who fires the canon law cannon at him?  Francis seems like he wants to be listed next to the Borgia popes.

    • #78
  19. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    There is seemingly no end to this rot.

    But, but, he carries his own luggage! And he refused the papal apartments and the red shoes!!

    • #79
  20. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):
    I was visiting with the Franciscan Friars at Marytown one weekend this summer. One of the friars said to me, “That’s a picture of Blase Cupich, he’s our Cardinal. We wish that he wasn’t. We’d pretty much have anyone else but him.”

    Now that’s what happens in a church with perpetual adoration.

    Livestreamed, too!

    That puts the monster in monstrance! I’m a Monday 2 am guardian for our parish’s perpetual adoration chapel. It’s a little more intimate than that space, but I’m still kind of jealous of the architecture…

    It’s a beautiful space. The monstrance is over 5 feet tall. A very holy place. It is also the national shrine of St. Maximilian Kolbe.  

    • #80
  21. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Well no one can say the warning signs were not there.

    Alarm bells should have been going off well over a year ago that cleaning house was no priority for Francis, quite the opposite.

    And Benedict XVI had placed tough sanctions on McCarrick and other bishop molesters and enablers.  Benedict warned Francis of those Bishops. Francis lifted the sanctions. He must be held accountable.

    • #81
  22. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    I can’t imagine what hell is like. I hope and believe that I won’t experience it.  I can’t even begin to fathom what a priest’s hell is like. 

    • #82
  23. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    he refused the papal apartments

    Probably because he wanted no questions when he had extra keys made.

    • #83
  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):
    I was visiting with the Franciscan Friars at Marytown one weekend this summer. One of the friars said to me, “That’s a picture of Blase Cupich, he’s our Cardinal. We wish that he wasn’t. We’d pretty much have anyone else but him.”

    Now that’s what happens in a church with perpetual adoration.

    Livestreamed, too!

    That puts the monster in monstrance! I’m a Monday 2 am guardian for our parish’s perpetual adoration chapel. It’s a little more intimate than that space, but I’m still kind of jealous of the architecture…

    It’s a beautiful space. The monstrance is over 5 feet tall. A very holy place. It is also the national shrine of St. Maximilian Kolbe.

    I have never see a monstrance that big. Awesome!

    • #84
  25. Johnnie Alum 13 Inactive
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Johnnie Alum 13 (View Comment):
    I was visiting with the Franciscan Friars at Marytown one weekend this summer. One of the friars said to me, “That’s a picture of Blase Cupich, he’s our Cardinal. We wish that he wasn’t. We’d pretty much have anyone else but him.”

    Now that’s what happens in a church with perpetual adoration.

    Livestreamed, too!

    That puts the monster in monstrance! I’m a Monday 2 am guardian for our parish’s perpetual adoration chapel. It’s a little more intimate than that space, but I’m still kind of jealous of the architecture…

    It’s a beautiful space. The monstrance is over 5 feet tall. A very holy place. It is also the national shrine of St. Maximilian Kolbe.

    I have never see a monstrance that big. Awesome!

    My weekend retreat with the Friars was very fulfilling. 

    • #85
  26. Roberto Inactive
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    Does anyone have any further details on this? Some counter-example?

    I expected the media to downplay this but are they attempting to ignore it completely?

     

    • #86
  27. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    It is their Church.  They own and run the infrastructure.  They do not own the flock and the flock’s souls.  The Church’s flock needs to abandon the Church and let it die.  A new infrastructure can be built later on the old Church’s ashes.  

    • #87
  28. Roberto Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Chuckles (View Comment):

    At the start I would point out I’m not a Roman Catholic, and I hold no brief for it.

    Nevertheless, in the OP I clicked in the twitter (twit?) link. One of the comments I saw there was this:

    The Catholic Church has proven they cannot or are unwilling to address this issue and protect the innocent.Reluctantly discussing it when caught with their pants down which is becoming more and more frequent. It is an abomination and will be their undoing.

    The Cardinal is not the Catholic Church: Neither is the Pope. Neither is any college of Bishops, or Cardinals or Priests or nuns or monks.

    The Catholic Church is a body of many millions of believers with a certain common faith. From Ricochet and from elsewhere it is patently obvious the body of the church is quite willing to address this issue and to protect the innocent. That is why this is causing so much difficulty for men in positions of authority – they arrogantly think it’s their church, and they are just wrong.

    It is their Church. They own and run the infrastructure. They do not own the flock and the flock’s souls. The Church’s flock needs to abandon the Church and let it die. A new infrastructure can be built later on the old Church’s ashes.

    Why should the corrupt and immoral inherent the Church? Is that not exactly backwards? I’m an outsider but that seems entirely wrong to me. Should not the moral and resolute force out the corruption instead of retreating before it?

    You seem fatalistic such that you believe it is impossible to even try.

    • #88
  29. Keith SF Inactive
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    Scott Wilmot: “The Pope knows we have a bigger agenda. He’s got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We’re not going to go down a rabbit hole on this. … …Quite frankly, they also don’t like him because he’s a Latino.” —Cardinal Cupich

    Latino…??!!? Are we supposed to believe the Pope is Cesar Chavez or something? Pope Francis is a white guy from a white country. Argentines aren’t “Latino” in any way a Social Justice Warrior would understand the term.

    I can’t figure out if Cardinal Cupich is brilliantly trolling us, or just clueless.

     

    • #89
  30. Scott Wilmot Member
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