Oh Brother, What Has Happened to My Country?

 

Now that it’s official that the FBI was corrupted during the Obama administration, can we safely say that everything Obama touched was made filthy? Some really nasty people were empowered to do some really nasty things because they thought they would never get caught and it feels like they may be right.

Is anyone that matters going to be held accountable? I suspect not, and this is no small thing. And the level of contempt for Trump is still on display. In case anyone missed it, during the Director’s news conference when answering a reporter’s question, he essentially said he didn’t give a damn what the President thought about the Bureau.

I am sure that I am not the only American that feels deeply saddened by what’s happened over the last 10 or so years. The press has become completely untrustworthy and now it appears that all of our federal institutions have gotten just plain bad. Last night, as my wife and I were watching the news about the IG report, she actually began to cry for the state of  our country. Our government shouldn’t do that to people.

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  1. Randy Webster Inactive
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    MKM: Is anyone that matters going to be held accountable?

    No.

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  2. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    MKM: Is anyone that matters going to be held accountable?

    No.

    Sadly, No is my answer also.

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  3. PHCheese Inactive
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    No one could be charged in the HRC email scandal because BHO  communicated with HRC on her private email while she was in a hostile country. The first black President could not be implicated. This has been reported earlier but was again verified in the IG report yesterday.

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  4. Front Seat Cat Member
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    We’re right there with you – and I am sure many feel the same way – but at least truth and lies both are being exposed in the light of day throughout society  – that is a positive change from the past.

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Nothing has happened to your country.  It is what it has always been.  A Democrat controlled criminal organization ran for the purposes of furthering Democrat agenda’s and filling Democrat pockets.  All that has happened is a bit of the blinders over your eyes have fallen away and you have seen a bit more of the reality of the situation than the imaginary world that the political class sells.  Welcome to the jungle.  

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  6. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

     Welcome to the jungle.

    Where are the fun and games I was promised!?

     

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  7. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Welcome to the jungle.

    Where are the fun and games I was promised!?

    Your not not having fun?   

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  8. PHCheese Inactive
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    BTW upon further review both Comey and Strzok also used private email for official FBI business. How could they put themselves in jeopardy of prosecution by prosecuting HRC . Common sense tells you they are not going to set a precedent to enable their own conviction.

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    PHCheese (View Comment):

    BTW upon further review both Comey and Strzok also used private email for official FBI business. How could they put themselves in jeopardy of prosecution by prosecuting HRC . Common sense tells you they are not going to set a precedent to enable their own conviction.

    The issue was not that HRC used private mail.  To some degree that happens and a slap sanction expected.  HRC ran her own email server.  Set up a private email infrastructure for the purposes of evading the law then did not secure it adequately. That is a whole order of magnitude of fraud different.  In the private sector what Comey did can get you a fine, but what HRC did would get your business shut down and people jailed.   

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  10. WI Con Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    BTW upon further review both Comey and Strzok also used private email for official FBI business. How could they put themselves in jeopardy of prosecution by prosecuting HRC . Common sense tells you they are not going to set a precedent to enable their own conviction.

    The issue was not that HRC used private mail. To some degree that happens and a slap sanction expected. HRC ran her own email server. Set up a private email infrastructure for the purposes of evading the law then did not secure it adequately. That is a whole order of magnitude of fraud different. In the private sector what Comey did can get you a fine, but what HRC did would get your business shut down and people jailed.

    A related question – there’s been so many twists & turns in this thing. I know that Wiener had several classified emails on the infamous laptop but were any of those emails found to be any of the 33,000 that Hillary’s lawyers deleted? They ‘worked’ so fast to exonerate that before the election, I’d question the veracity of that assertion.

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  11. Curt North Inactive
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    All partisanship aside, it makes me sad too to see what our federal law enforcement has become.  Just 10 short years ago I had complete trust in the FBI and CIA, now I’d have to look out the window for verification if they told me it was raining.  The news media have always been partisan, but they’ve now become unhinged and completely untrustworthy.  This situation should make ALL Americans sad, and angry.  Action is needed, drastic and forceful action.  People need to go to jail, people need to be fired, pensions lost, perhaps entire agencies need to be simply disbanded.  If nobody is really held accountable we will ALL lose, every one of us – Conservative, Liberal, no matter what label you prefer.

    Americans need to be able to trust these institutions or they need to be dismantled, simple as that.

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  12. Freesmith Member
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    Don’t worry. Like Emile Zola during the Dreyfuss Affair, opinion leaders Jonah Goldberg, John Podhoretz, Bill Kristol, Bret Stephens, Yuval Levin, Bari Weiss, David Brooks and Steve Hayes are all going to issue blistering jeremiads against the obvious perversion of American justice that was the Hillary Clinton email investigation and is the associated Russia-Trump collusion probe.

    These stalwarts of conservatism will accuse the Regime of instituting a blatant double standard – one for the “connected” and another for everyone else – which undermines the foundations of our constitutional order. No greater violation of American principles can compare to it, because it threatens the very legitimacy of our government.

    Any day now.

    Once they finish discussing Donald Trump’s tweets and his language, that is.

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  13. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    A confederacy of globalist gangsters and traitors is trying to take over our country, and they must be stopped cold.

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  14. I Walton Member
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    It’s important to understand that the Federal government can’t be fixed by replacing staffs with better people.  It’s not a collection of  globalist gangsters.  Their interests are very narrow, not global and once newly hired or appointed employees come to  understand that there is not much they can do about their assigned objectives or that there are no assigned objectives, their focus becomes  figuring  out how to expand their reach, grow their budget and protect and advance their positions.  They are competitive with each other for budget and authority and they play external special interests toward that objective.   The  Obama apparatus, which did have an ideology that included non national interests and ideas pointed the disorganized interests we call the deep state at it’s only true enemy, the growing wave of limited government organizations and interests.  The deep state came to realize, (slow learners) that a party that will monetize it’s debt can offer perpetual  growth that does not have to be zero sum.   While in the past  we couldn’t reform it, now we must kill it but not by replacing it with new folks who won’t be able to do their job either, rather by people who will gut it.

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  15. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    PHCheese (View Comment):

    BTW upon further review both Comey and Strzok also used private email for official FBI business. How could they put themselves in jeopardy of prosecution by prosecuting HRC . Common sense tells you they are not going to set a precedent to enable their own conviction.

    The issue was not that HRC used private mail. To some degree that happens and a slap sanction expected. HRC ran her own email server. Set up a private email infrastructure for the purposes of evading the law then did not secure it adequately. That is a whole order of magnitude of fraud different. In the private sector what Comey did can get you a fine, but what HRC did would get your business shut down and people jailed.

    And it begs the bigger question, why did she do it? The whole hidden side of that is what I want to know and what happened to those 30,000 emails?  None of this would be in question had she won.

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  16. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):
    Americans need to be able to trust these institutions or they need to be dismantled, simple as that.

    Of all the damage Obama did to the nation, the broken trust is possibly the worst.

     

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  17. Curt North Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Curt North (View Comment):
    Americans need to be able to trust these institutions or they need to be dismantled, simple as that.

    Of all the damage Obama did to the nation, the broken trust is possibly the worst.

     

    Agreed, most of his other actions can be reversed easily enough, the loss of trust will take years (decades?), if ever, to regain.  

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  18. Retail Lawyer Member
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    To hold anyone accountable would be racist and sexist as far as the Democrats are concerned, so it will not happen.

    I would like to see the law changed so that private servers holding state secrets is unquestionably illegal, so that even if server is owned by a woman, she get prosecuted.  And even if the President is a person of color, he gets prosecuted for using the server to communicate with her.

    My Congressperson, Anna Eshoo, is far too stupid to understand my request to change the law, no matter how simple I try to phrase it.  My senators are of gender, and Kamala is of color as well, and since she is running to be the first of color and gender President, she is most unlikely to respond to such a request, as she would like to do everything illegally as well. 

    Forget it Jake, its Chinatown.  I am not proud of myself for having this attitude, but one must be realistic

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  19. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    MKM:

    Now that it’s official that the FBI was corrupted during the Obama administration, can we safely say that everything Obama touched was made filthy? Some really nasty people were empowered to do some really nasty things because they thought they would never get caught and it feels like they may be right.

    Is anyone that matters going to be held accountable? I suspect not, and this is no small thing. And the level of contempt for Trump is still on display. In case anyone missed it, during the Director’s news conference when answering a reporter’s question, he essentially said he didn’t give a damn what the President thought about the Bureau.

    I am sure that I am not the only American that feels deeply saddened by what’s happened over the last 10 or so years. The press has become completely untrustworthy and now it appears that all of our federal institutions have gotten just plain bad. Last night, as my wife and I were watching the news about the IG report, she actually began to cry for the state of our country. Our government shouldn’t do that to people.

    Curt North (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Curt North (View Comment):
    Americans need to be able to trust these institutions or they need to be dismantled, simple as that.

    Of all the damage Obama did to the nation, the broken trust is possibly the worst.

     

    Agreed, most of his other actions can be reversed easily enough, the loss of trust will take years (decades?), if ever, to regain.

    No, some of his most destructive actions are irreversible for all practical purposes. We cannot get the “Progressives” out of the civil service, and they will continue to hire their comrades.

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  20. Freesmith Member
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    Retail Lawyer (View Comment):

    To hold anyone accountable would be racist and sexist as far as the Democrats are concerned, so it will not happen.

    I would like to see the law changed so that private servers holding state secrets is unquestionably illegal, so that even if server is owned by a woman, she get prosecuted. And even if the President is a person of color, he gets prosecuted for using the server to communicate with her.

    My Congressperson, Anna Eshoo, is far too stupid to understand my request to change the law, no matter how simple I try to phrase it. My senators are of gender, and Kamala is of color as well, and since she is running to be the first of color and gender President, she is most unlikely to respond to such a request, as she would like to do everything illegally as well.

    Forget it Jake, its Chinatown. I am not proud of myself for having this attitude, but one must be realistic

    You must not be cognizant @retaillawyer of the oft-stated fact on Ricochet that the charge of racism is tired, over-used and no longer possesses the power to destroy a career that it formerly did. 

    You can see the “truth” of that observation in the way everybody runs for cover whenever the accusation is made. Everybody except Donald Trump, of course. 

    You do seem to be aware of one development, however, and that is where the fault line of the 21st century will be. In the 20th century the divide was between two economic systems promoted by Western man, socialism and capitalism.

    But the outlines of the battle of the 21st century is already becoming clear. It will not be about economic systems, or religious faith.

    It will be about race. 

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  21. DonG Coolidge
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    And it begs the bigger question, why did she do it? The whole hidden side of that is what I want to know and what happened to those 30,000 emails?

    Those emails got “wiped” with BleachBit.  The why is that the Clintons are grifters and the Clinton Global Initiative is the world’s largest pay for play scheme.  It all started with the Haiti hurricane money (Just send your cash) and grew from there.  $10B will buy a lot of corruption in this world.

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    And it begs the bigger question, why did she do it? The whole hidden side of that is what I want to know and what happened to those 30,000 emails? None of this would be in question had she won.

    She learned her lesson from the first Clinton administration,  that’s why. 

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  23. The Reticulator Member
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    Freesmith (View Comment):

    But the outlines of the battle of the 21st century is already becoming clear. It will not be about economic systems, or religious faith.

    It will be about race

     Not if we can marginalize people like you, it won’t. 

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