The “Othering” of Conservatives in Sci-Fi and Fantasy

 

The new tactic by some on the left is to accuse people that they disagree with politically that they make them feel “unsafe.” The goal of this is to ensure that people that they disagree with are banned from social gatherings. Recently there have been three examples of this tactic being used with success.

First, author Jon Del Arroz was banned from attending WorldCon because he had received threats of mistreatment and wanted to wear a body cam to prevent others from claiming that he had attacked or insulted them. WorldCon claimed that wearing such a recording device violated their rules because bystanders would not be giving their consent to being recorded.

Next, one of the best selling authors in SciFi, John Ringo, was disinvited as the Guest of Honor for ConCarolinas because one of his characters in a series was into BDSM and someone accused Mr. Ringo of trying to solicit underage women to come to a BDSM party in his room with his wife. This was completely false and fabricated, of course, but that didn’t matter to those spreading the lies. In fact, the story around why the Con security was with Mr. Ringo all weekend was actually insanely sweet.

This week, Origins, one of the largest board gaming conventions had invited Larry Correia, another best-selling author, to be their Guest of Honor. Within a couple of hours of making this announcement, Origins had disinvited Mr. Correia because people had felt unsafe and that inviting him was encouraging various ills. The most direct accusation was made by a person who claimed that Mr. Correia had “attacked” her boyfriend. It turns out that in 2014, Larry, fisked an article her boyfriend had written at Tor.com that claimed that the largest gaming convention (GenCon) in specific and gaming in general. Larry’s takedown was hilarious to read and dissected his arguments point by point. Evidently, this is what constitutes as an “attack” to some on the left…disagreeing with their premise that every white person is racist…all the time. You can read Larry’s response here.

When I read Guy P. Benson and Mary Katherine Ham’s book End of Discussion, it was disturbing to see how far our political discussion has degraded to where people essentially just want to shut the opposition down. When I read The Intimidation Game by Kimberley Strassel, it was even scarier to see how the organs of government were used to shut down dissent. Now we see the next stage…the libelous exclusion of people from public events because of their views. The very accusation that they are “rape apologists” or homophobic/transphobic/etc. is enough for some to buckle to pressure from a small and very vocal minority.

A word of caution, this rabbit hole can go pretty deep. When you get into the Hugo Award situation that started the Sad Puppies campaigns, it’s amazing.

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  1. Seawriter Contributor
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    Nick H (View Comment):
    Larry is not Owen Z. Pitt

    C’mon on that one. Consider what the two have in common. Both are accountants, gun buffs, and have hot wives. At least in the MHI stories I’d say Correia wrote what he knew. Yeah, there are differences, but there are a lot of similarities.

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  2. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    But remember Tom Kratman is the real deal.  I wonder what would happen if we got Tom and Kurt Schlicter in the same room together.

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  3. Nick H Coolidge
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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    But remember Tom Kratman is the real deal. I wonder what would happen if we got Tom and Kurt Schlicter in the same room together.

    There’s someone who doesn’t hold back his opinions! (Krautman, that is.) And again, able to articulate them in a way few others can match.

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  4. Nick H Coolidge
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):
    Larry is not Owen Z. Pitt

    C’mon on that one. Consider what the two have in common. Both are accountants, gun buffs, and have hot wives. At least in the MHI stories I’d say Correia wrote what he knew. Yeah, there are differences, but there are a lot of similarities.

    And Owen is also part Portuguese IIRC. I’ll admit that the similarities might outweigh the differences. Then again, I’ve never seen Larry reverse time and send the whole world 5 minutes into the past or shake off a zombie bite just by thinking he could. And to the best of my knowledge he’s never claimed to be The Chosen One.

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  5. Seawriter Contributor
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    Nick H (View Comment):
    I’ve never seen Larry reverse time and send the whole world 5 minutes into the past or shake off a zombie bite just by thinking he could. And to the best of my knowledge he’s never claimed to be The Chosen One.

    Just wait, oh skeptic. Give it time.

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  6. Miffed White Male Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    One could argue that a great fault of D&D is that the minority races are overrepresented among player characters. The non-human races are supposed to be (oppressed) minorities, and yet they really seem to thrive in the Adventuring industries. It’s amazing that racist villagers ever let groups of adventurers through the gates, considering that every group of adventurers has at least one Dwarf, one Elf, and often a Half-Orc!

    (Imagine if The Fellowship had included a Half-Orc. D’you really think they’d have been allowed entry into Rivendell?)

    Didn’t some leftwingers go nuts on the last LOTR movie because the Orcs were supposedly racist caricatures of blacks?

     

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  7. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    not enough gaming systems that involve minority human races

    What about minority nonhuman races?

    #dwarflivesmatter.

    Gnomes. You can’t eat just one.

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  8. TBA Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    One could argue that a great fault of D&D is that the minority races are overrepresented among player characters. The non-human races are supposed to be (oppressed) minorities, and yet they really seem to thrive in the Adventuring industries. It’s amazing that racist villagers ever let groups of adventurers through the gates, considering that every group of adventurers has at least one Dwarf, one Elf, and often a Half-Orc!

    (Imagine if The Fellowship had included a Half-Orc. D’you really think they’d have been allowed entry into Rivendell?)

    Didn’t some leftwingers go nuts on the last LOTR movie because the Orcs were supposedly racist caricatures of blacks?

    They did. Goldberg pointed out that if you look at an orc and see a black person you are the racist. 

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  9. Valiuth Member
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    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Well, in D&D you can have human subraces, but they usually turn into national differences, there are also no gender distinctions either. Frankly I don’t understand why anyone would complain about D&D in this way because you can always make up whatever character rules you want. The rules in the books are suggestions of a balanced set, in the end everything kind of evens out assuming you are getting a proper mix of obstacles and monsters. Now if you happen to always be fighting in a dark cave against poisonous tripping monsters yah, the dwarf will have an easier time than a human character. 

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  10. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    not enough gaming systems that involve minority human races

    What about minority nonhuman races?

    #dwarflivesmatter.

    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Yeah. I don’t believe I’ve ever specified any ethnic background in any of the characters I ever made, with the exception of Gustav Chang, the German-Chinese mercenary in one cyberpunk game. Who hated French Canadians.

    So, did Chang call them “Pepsis” or does that date me?

    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    Tribes can overlap in strange ways these days.

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Well, in D&D you can have human subraces, but they usually turn into national differences, there are also no gender distinctions either. Frankly I don’t understand why anyone would complain about D&D in this way because you can always make up whatever character rules you want. The rules in the books are suggestions of a balanced set, in the end everything kind of evens out assuming you are getting a proper mix of obstacles and monsters. Now if you happen to always be fighting in a dark cave against poisonous tripping monsters yah, the dwarf will have an easier time than a human character.

    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.  

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  12. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):
    I’ve never seen Larry reverse time and send the whole world 5 minutes into the past or shake off a zombie bite just by thinking he could. And to the best of my knowledge he’s never claimed to be The Chosen One.

    Just wait, oh skeptic. Give it time.

    Oh, he won’t have to.  His fans (us…) will do it for him.

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  13. Valiuth Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Well, in D&D you can have human subraces, but they usually turn into national differences, there are also no gender distinctions either. Frankly I don’t understand why anyone would complain about D&D in this way because you can always make up whatever character rules you want. The rules in the books are suggestions of a balanced set, in the end everything kind of evens out assuming you are getting a proper mix of obstacles and monsters. Now if you happen to always be fighting in a dark cave against poisonous tripping monsters yah, the dwarf will have an easier time than a human character.

    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.

    What kind of anti-dwarfite are you to assume that dwarves don’t have parity in the sailing industry? What just because they live under ground? You assume they don’t sail the vast seas and rivers of the Underdark? Or that they do not industriously manufacture the great flying ships that navigate the Astral Sea? 

    Also my bring Middle Earth into this we are talking D&D and the two are very different. 

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    “In Canada, we have more than a passing familiarity with confusion. We’re comprised of ten provinces and two territories, communicating across six time zones in two official languages. The English don’t understand the French, the French don’t understand the English, and the Inuit, quite frankly, couldn’t give a damn about either of them. Added to the equation is the Assembly of First Nations, with a total of 633 separate Indian bands speaking 180 sub-dialects among their fifty linguistic groups. And as if that weren’t enough, there are some fishermen on the East Coast with a remarkably whimsical accent.”

     

    Due South, Season 1:  Chinatown.

     

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  15. TBA Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Well, in D&D you can have human subraces, but they usually turn into national differences, there are also no gender distinctions either. Frankly I don’t understand why anyone would complain about D&D in this way because you can always make up whatever character rules you want. The rules in the books are suggestions of a balanced set, in the end everything kind of evens out assuming you are getting a proper mix of obstacles and monsters. Now if you happen to always be fighting in a dark cave against poisonous tripping monsters yah, the dwarf will have an easier time than a human character.

    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.

    What kind of anti-dwarfite are you to assume that dwarves don’t have parity in the sailing industry? What just because they live under ground? You assume they don’t sail the vast seas and rivers of the Underdark? Or that they do not industriously manufacture the great flying ships that navigate the Astral Sea?

    Also my bring Middle Earth into this we are talking D&D and the two are very different.

    Middle Earth because it and the Council of the Wise predate and inform D&D like Greece and the Magna Carta inform America.

    Me anti-dwarfite? No way – I love those little guys! They’re some of my best friends and I never talk bad about them or talk down to them (Rohirrim shot!) I can’t concern myself with the Underdark and those people down there, when every day dwarven sailors are literally overlooked by corporate ship-owners whose unfair hiring practices give dwarves short shrift.

    #getwoke4dwarvenfolk, #wee@sea, #shrimpboats

    [Edit: Italic tweak]

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  16. Matt Balzer Member
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    TBA (View Comment):
    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.

    I have no choice but to link this.

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  17. Matt Balzer Member
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    Nick H (View Comment):
    Larry is not Owen Z. Pitt or Milo Anderson or Earl Harbinger or Julie Shackleford or Jake Sullivan or Faye Vierra or Ashok Vidal or any of the other hundreds of characters he’s created. (OK, he’s got a lot in common with Owen, but still.) John Ringo is not a former SEAL who’s now a warlord of displaced Vikings and into serious BSDM, or a devout Christian soccer mom with magical powers from God, or a uber-libertarian multi-billionaire who builds space fortresses out of asteroids, or a former Army Ranger who goes on to save the world from alien invasion in a suit of magical combat armor. (OK, he is a former Army Ranger, but still.)

    Even if they were, I wouldn’t have a problem with most of those choices.

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  18. Matt Balzer Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Also my bring Middle Earth into this we are talking D&D and the two are very different. 

    I was talking about dwarves. I don’t care where they come from.

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  19. Unsk Member
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    If I may say so, you guys have gotten way too deep into the ins and outs of gamer discriminations, and have not looked at the larger issue.  The issue does not begin and end with gamers. 

    In almost every domain of life these days, the SJW want to shut down free speech that is adversarial to their bias, and unfortunately they have become very successful.  The SJW, if you haven’t noticed yet,  particularly like to destroy activities many believe to be “fun”, gaming being one of them. 

    In related new Twitter announced a new draconian filter designed to censor free conservative speech, from Zerohedge:

    Conservatives In An Uproar After Twitter Deploys Draconian Shadowban Filt

     

    “Conservative Twitter users are in an uproar over draconian new “behavioral filters” which will start hiding tweets that “detract from the conversation,” and which CEO Jack Dorsey says are designed to “significantly reduce the ability to game and skew our systems” (less than six months before midterms, we might add).”

    “Twitter will now use thousands of behavioral signals when filtering search, replies, and algorithmic recommendations. If it believes you are trying to game its system, or simply acting like a jerk, it will push your tweets lower down. It’s the biggest update so far in the company’s push to create healthier conversations, an initiative announced by its CEO Jack Dorsey in March.

    Among the signals Twitter will use: whether you tweet at large numbers of accounts you don’t followhow often you’re blocked by people you interact with, whether you created many accounts from a single IP address, and whether your account is closely related to others that have violated its terms of service. –BuzzFeed”

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  20. barbara lydick Inactive
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    Conservatives have jobs and families and mortgages and taxes to pay. That’s why progressives dominate fields that rely on “volunteer” labour.

    So true.  It’s the same for a huge number of people I’d place in the category of Rent-a-Protester.  This amorphous, easily swayed ‘group’ has played a role in everything from Rachael Carson madness to the VN war to nuclear power policy to Wall Street and onward to current issues.  Funding – probably Soros, et al.

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  21. Kevin Creighton Contributor
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    Mad Mike Williamson had a terrific post on this

    Killer line: 

    Guests draw attendees to see them. They are an asset. But you’re eating up the time they use to write.

    This is why I do fewer cons, typically go as vendor only to most of the ones I do attend, and use social media to talk to people directly interested in my work. 

    Twenty years ago, writers needed the cons to meet fans. Now, they can do a Google Hangout or Facebook Live and meet 20x the fans they could meet at even the biggest cons. 

    The times, they are a changin’.

     

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    I’m constantly amazed at how these supposedly smart people who have made books and stories such a major part of their lives can’t wrap their minds around the idea that the authors are not the same as the characters they write. Larry is not Owen Z. Pitt or Milo Anderson or Earl Harbinger or Julie Shackleford or Jake Sullivan or Faye Vierra or Ashok Vidal or any of the other hundreds of characters he’s created. (OK, he’s got a lot in common with Owen, but still.) John Ringo is not a former SEAL who’s now a warlord of displaced Vikings and into serious BSDM, or a devout Christian soccer mom with magical powers from God, or a uber-libertarian multi-billionaire who builds space fortresses out of asteroids, or a former Army Ranger who goes on to save the world from alien invasion in a suit of magical combat armor. (OK, he is a former Army Ranger, but still.) The SJW authors imagine that because these guys write characters that excel at violence and mayhem that John and Larry and authors like them (and all their fans) are hyper-violent killing machines or something. It’s crazy. Or maybe it says something about them, that they really think they’re sensitive sparkly vampires or can control magical dragons with the beauty of their singing or whatever.

    Seriously though, the SJW types are right to be scared of Larry and John. Not because they’re violent physically, but because they’re way better at writing and aren’t afraid to use those skills to defend themselves. I’d bet that a good chunk of their anger is really jealously. When John’s muse kicks in, he can push out a whole series of books in the time it takes some authors to write a single chapter. And they’re good books that sell really, really well. Larry’s so successful he bought a whole frickin’ mountain! I’ve been interacting with John and Larry online for years now, and they’re both nice guys. But they have strong opinions and have no tolerance for fools. If you’re going to debate with them, be prepared. They write arguments as sharp as the characters thy create.

    Or Emperor of man

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  23. Nick H Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    “In Canada, we have more than a passing familiarity with confusion. We’re comprised of ten provinces and two territories, communicating across six time zones in two official languages. The English don’t understand the French, the French don’t understand the English, and the Inuit, quite frankly, couldn’t give a damn about either of them. Added to the equation is the Assembly of First Nations, with a total of 633 separate Indian bands speaking 180 sub-dialects among their fifty linguistic groups. And as if that weren’t enough, there are some fishermen on the East Coast with a remarkably whimsical accent.”

     

    Due South, Season 1: Chinatown.

    I loved that show. 

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  24. Nick H Coolidge
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    If I may say so, you guys have gotten way too deep into the ins and outs of gamer discriminations, and have not looked at the larger issue. The issue does not begin and end with gamers.

    In almost every domain of life these days, the SJW want to shut down free speech that is adversarial to their bias, and unfortunately they have become very successful. The SJW, if you haven’t noticed yet, particularly like to destroy activities many believe to be “fun”, gaming being one of them.

    In related new Twitter announced a new draconian filter designed to censor free conservative speech, from Zerohedge:

    Conservatives In An Uproar After Twitter Deploys Draconian Shadowban Filt

     

    “Conservative Twitter users are in an uproar over draconian new “behavioral filters” which will start hiding tweets that “detract from the conversation,” and which CEO Jack Dorsey says are designed to “significantly reduce the ability to game and skew our systems” (less than six months before midterms, we might add).”

    “Twitter will now use thousands of behavioral signals when filtering search, replies, and algorithmic recommendations. If it believes you are trying to game its system, or simply acting like a jerk, it will push your tweets lower down. It’s the biggest update so far in the company’s push to create healthier conversations, an initiative announced by its CEO Jack Dorsey in March.

    Among the signals Twitter will use: whether you tweet at large numbers of accounts you don’t follow, how often you’re blocked by people you interact with, whether you created many accounts from a single IP address, and whether your account is closely related to others that have violated its terms of service. –BuzzFeed”

    So they’re just making public what they’ve been secretly doing for the last couple years. 

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  25. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    One could argue that a great fault of D&D is that the minority races are overrepresented among player characters. The non-human races are supposed to be (oppressed) minorities, and yet they really seem to thrive in the Adventuring industries. It’s amazing that racist villagers ever let groups of adventurers through the gates, considering that every group of adventurers has at least one Dwarf, one Elf, and often a Half-Orc!

    (Imagine if The Fellowship had included a Half-Orc. D’you really think they’d have been allowed entry into Rivendell?)

    Didn’t some leftwingers go nuts on the last LOTR movie because the Orcs were supposedly racist caricatures of blacks?

    They did. Goldberg pointed out that if you look at an orc and see a black person you are the racist.

    There were also folk who claimed that the Orcs were simply doing what they had to do to survive.  They overlap nicely on the Venn Diagram with the “what’s wrong with The Empire, really, when you stop to think about it” crowd.

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  26. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    “In Canada, we have more than a passing familiarity with confusion. We’re comprised of ten provinces and two territories, communicating across six time zones in two official languages. The English don’t understand the French, the French don’t understand the English, and the Inuit, quite frankly, couldn’t give a damn about either of them. Added to the equation is the Assembly of First Nations, with a total of 633 separate Indian bands speaking 180 sub-dialects among their fifty linguistic groups. And as if that weren’t enough, there are some fishermen on the East Coast with a remarkably whimsical accent.”

     

    Due South, Season 1: Chinatown.

    I loved that show.

    It went downhill when Fraser started communing with his dead father.

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  27. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    not enough gaming systems that involve minority human races

    What about minority nonhuman races?

    #dwarflivesmatter.

    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Yeah. I don’t believe I’ve ever specified any ethnic background in any of the characters I ever made, with the exception of Gustav Chang, the German-Chinese mercenary in one cyberpunk game. Who hated French Canadians.

    So, did Chang call them “Pepsis” or does that date me?

    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    Tribes can overlap in strange ways these days.

    Traditionally, Pepsi was more popular in Quebec because it was slightly cheaper than Coke. Calling ’em “peppers” was basically a way of making fun of them for being poor.  Sorta the Canuckistani equivalent of “redneck”.  (There are quite a few similarities between Quebecois culture and Southern US culture, and not just because the Acadians were deported to Louisiana.)

    “Anywhere else in the world if someone says bonjour the response is usually, that’s French isn’t it?  Ooh la la.  Let’s have sex.   In Canada, if someone says bonjour the usual response is f**k you, Pepper.”

    – joke I heard once at the Montreal Comedy Festival

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  28. Miffed White Male Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

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    In my brief sojourn in mid-1970s Montreal, the anglophones I mainly spent time with referred to French-Canadians as “Pepsis” after what was apparently the preferred francophone cola. I heard a lot of the same ethnic jokes as I had heard in California, but with a stupid Pepsi as the butt. (Or sometimes a Newfie.) Didn’t stop these guys from being huge Canadiens fans, though.

    “In Canada, we have more than a passing familiarity with confusion. We’re comprised of ten provinces and two territories, communicating across six time zones in two official languages. The English don’t understand the French, the French don’t understand the English, and the Inuit, quite frankly, couldn’t give a damn about either of them. Added to the equation is the Assembly of First Nations, with a total of 633 separate Indian bands speaking 180 sub-dialects among their fifty linguistic groups. And as if that weren’t enough, there are some fishermen on the East Coast with a remarkably whimsical accent.”

     

    Due South, Season 1: Chinatown.

    I loved that show.

    It went downhill when Fraser started communing with his dead father.

    I *loved* the dead father – especially in the later seasons when he built the office in Frasier’s closet.

    Gordon Pinsent played the role perfectly.

     

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  29. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.

    What kind of anti-dwarfite are you to assume that dwarves don’t have parity in the sailing industry? What just because they live under ground? You assume they don’t sail the vast seas and rivers of the Underdark? Or that they do not industriously manufacture the great flying ships that navigate the Astral Sea?

    Also my bring Middle Earth into this we are talking D&D and the two are very different.

    Middle Earth because it and the Council of the Wise predate and inform D&D like Greece and the Magna Carta inform America.

    Me anti-dwarfite? No way – I love those little guys! They’re some of my best friends and I never talk bad about them or talk down to them (Rohirrim shot!) I can’t concern myself with the Underdark and those people down there, when every day dwarven sailors are literally overlooked by corporate ship-owners whose unfair hiring practices give dwarves short shrift.

    #getwoke4dwarvenfolk, #wee@sea, #shrimpboats

    I would like to point out that in the role playing game Rifts there are dwarves from a world that has a 17th century buccaneer culture and craft ancient weapons into runic magic items and are serious, high sea sailing, true blue pirates!  That is my kind of Dwarf!

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  30. TBA Coolidge
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    A dwarf may have an easier time than a human, sure, but that is no reason to violate the diversity standards set down by the Council of the Wise. We cannot consider Middle-Earth civilized until dwarves achieve parity in the sailing industry.

    What kind of anti-dwarfite are you to assume that dwarves don’t have parity in the sailing industry? What just because they live under ground? You assume they don’t sail the vast seas and rivers of the Underdark? Or that they do not industriously manufacture the great flying ships that navigate the Astral Sea?

    Also my bring Middle Earth into this we are talking D&D and the two are very different.

    Middle Earth because it and the Council of the Wise predate and inform D&D like Greece and the Magna Carta inform America.

    Me anti-dwarfite? No way – I love those little guys! They’re some of my best friends and I never talk bad about them or talk down to them (Rohirrim shot!) I can’t concern myself with the Underdark and those people down there, when every day dwarven sailors are literally overlooked by corporate ship-owners whose unfair hiring practices give dwarves short shrift.

    #getwoke4dwarvenfolk, #wee@sea, #shrimpboats

    I would like to point out that in the role playing game Rifts there are dwarves from a world that has a 17th century buccaneer culture and craft ancient weapons into runic magic items and are serious, high sea sailing, true blue pirates! That is my kind of Dwarf!

    See, that dimension is doing it right. But you can bet that Rift Dwarves were unionized and only overcame the rampant sizeism inherent in multi-racial pre-modern cultures with great effort before being able to actualize themselves in a field of endeavor usually reserved for the elite. 

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