The “Othering” of Conservatives in Sci-Fi and Fantasy

 

The new tactic by some on the left is to accuse people that they disagree with politically that they make them feel “unsafe.” The goal of this is to ensure that people that they disagree with are banned from social gatherings. Recently there have been three examples of this tactic being used with success.

First, author Jon Del Arroz was banned from attending WorldCon because he had received threats of mistreatment and wanted to wear a body cam to prevent others from claiming that he had attacked or insulted them. WorldCon claimed that wearing such a recording device violated their rules because bystanders would not be giving their consent to being recorded.

Next, one of the best selling authors in SciFi, John Ringo, was disinvited as the Guest of Honor for ConCarolinas because one of his characters in a series was into BDSM and someone accused Mr. Ringo of trying to solicit underage women to come to a BDSM party in his room with his wife. This was completely false and fabricated, of course, but that didn’t matter to those spreading the lies. In fact, the story around why the Con security was with Mr. Ringo all weekend was actually insanely sweet.

This week, Origins, one of the largest board gaming conventions had invited Larry Correia, another best-selling author, to be their Guest of Honor. Within a couple of hours of making this announcement, Origins had disinvited Mr. Correia because people had felt unsafe and that inviting him was encouraging various ills. The most direct accusation was made by a person who claimed that Mr. Correia had “attacked” her boyfriend. It turns out that in 2014, Larry, fisked an article her boyfriend had written at Tor.com that claimed that the largest gaming convention (GenCon) in specific and gaming in general. Larry’s takedown was hilarious to read and dissected his arguments point by point. Evidently, this is what constitutes as an “attack” to some on the left…disagreeing with their premise that every white person is racist…all the time. You can read Larry’s response here.

When I read Guy P. Benson and Mary Katherine Ham’s book End of Discussion, it was disturbing to see how far our political discussion has degraded to where people essentially just want to shut the opposition down. When I read The Intimidation Game by Kimberley Strassel, it was even scarier to see how the organs of government were used to shut down dissent. Now we see the next stage…the libelous exclusion of people from public events because of their views. The very accusation that they are “rape apologists” or homophobic/transphobic/etc. is enough for some to buckle to pressure from a small and very vocal minority.

A word of caution, this rabbit hole can go pretty deep. When you get into the Hugo Award situation that started the Sad Puppies campaigns, it’s amazing.

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  1. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):
    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    One could argue that a great fault of D&D is that the minority races are overrepresented among player characters. The non-human races are supposed to be (oppressed) minorities, and yet they really seem to thrive in the Adventuring industries. It’s amazing that racist villagers ever lets groups of adventurers through the gates, considering that every group of adventurers has at least one Dwarf, one Elf, and often a Half-Orc!

    (Imagine if The Fellowship had included a Half-Orc. D’you really think they’d have been allowed entry into Rivendell?)

    It’s a fact that Elrond hated miscegenation.

    Well, when it means that one’s grandchildren won’t be immortal, one can kinda see his point.

    THATS RAYCISS.  ELVEN PRIVILEGE.

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  2. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Progressives dominate the fields that are the middleware of civilization.

    So, you are saying they belong on the “B” Ark.

    I always objected to Adams including hairdressers on the B Ark. Everybody’s gotta get their hair cut!

    Ah, but a barber is not a hairdresser as such.

    Such reductionism.  “Don’t get too good at your job or else we’ll put you on the B Ark.”

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  3. Drew, now with Dragon Energy! Member
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    Correia’s response is worth reading. (I know it’s linked in the OP, but I’ll put it here again.)

    Origins put up an announcement on Facebook about their five guests of honor. Immediately a bunch of people started freaking out about how my presence made them “unsafe”. These same people were going on about how the guests were all male, so Origins hates women and transsexuals, and the guests were too white, which meant brown people were unsafe. No. Sadly, I’m not making that up. I’d say go read it for yourself, but Origins is scrubbing everything in a vain attempt at damage control.

    . . .

    The allegations were the typical thought terminating clichés (and I’ll respond to each of them further down, because they’re all nonsense) they said I was a racist, sexist, homophobe, who hates transsexuals, and I was a Sad Puppy, which meant that I was a racist, sexist, homophobe who wanted to keep women, minorities, and homosexuals out of publishing. When my fans demanded proof of these allegations, they linked to opinion pieces from places like Gawker or Vox, quoting a bunch of people who hate my guts. Best of all, one woman talked about how I’d attacked and harmed her loved ones. More on that later.

    John Ward, head of GAMA, folded like a cheap lawn chair. Only a couple hours after their post went live, a fan told me on Facebook that Origins had put up an announcement that I’d just been disinvited.

    So then I went and checked my email. (and I am perfectly happy to share every single email ever sent between me and Origins). John Ward had emailed me, and his email was nearly identical to the public Facebook announcement (including the spelling errors). He said that he was recently informed of some of my “personal views” which made me a detriment as a guest, and that Origins is a family friendly and inclusive event.

    Inclusive… Uh huh.

    Since this same sort of thing had just been done to my friend and co-author John Ringo at ConCarolinas a few weeks ago, I wasn’t shocked. I emailed him back and asked specifically which of my personal views was so abhorrent. I also pointed out that everything alleged in that thread was utter nonsense, but he hadn’t even bothered to ask me about it first.

    After I sent that email, I realized I’d not asked about the status of the short story reprint I was allowing them to use in the Origins anthology, so I sent a second shorter email saying that they’d probably want to pull my story out, because I’d hate for any of my icky imaginary hatemongery to get all over them.

    John Ward did not even have the basic professional courtesy to respond.

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  4. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Actor Gary Sinise organized a gathering for Hollywood conservatives and it has grown over time. It was discussed on one of the podcasts months ago. Perhaps the sci-fi/fantasy novels industry could use a similar group. Game developers, musicians, and other entertainers might also benefit. 

    We need the arts to guide the culture.

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  5. AltarGirl Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    Perhaps more conservatives ought to volunteer to work in their local science fiction organizations.

    The problem is most conservatives have lives. They do not have much spare time. SJWs do not have lives. That is why they are into SJW – to fill the vacant hole in their lives. Therefore they have time for organizations and use that to try to make everyone else as abjectly miserable as they are.

    Single income families could help change this dynamic, I think. But there are a few barriers to this.

    I don’t know yet. I’m still in young kid phase. When I get to Teenager phase, I’ll try out the volunteer thing.

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  6. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    We need the arts to guide the culture.

    “I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”

    – John Adams

    a) Ergo, if they’re working in the arts it probably means they don’t really have to worry about money.  If they don’t have to worry about money, they’re almost certainly gonna turn out progressive.

    b) Today, The Arts are merely Politics and War by other means.

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  7. Seawriter Contributor
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    You know, Correia has Portuguese ancestry. That makes him a form of Hispanic; a person of color. The two women who got him disinvited are whiter than white bread.

    Who knew Origins was such a racist organization?

    (To quote Kurt Schlichter “They are going to hate when the new rules get applied to them . . .”)

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  8. Brian Wolf Inactive
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    This is opening up market opportunities in the industry for new money and new players to steal massive market share.  It could end up like a Fox News regular news kind of thing where 50% of the market is shared by 11 competitors and 50% of the market has one publisher.  That one guy will have some pretty decent profits, I would think.

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  9. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    You know, Correia has Portuguese ancestry. That makes him a form of Hispanic; a person of color.

    The SJW ethos really doesn’t know how to classify Spain.

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I was telling my wife that today, a truly transgressive Science Fiction story would be one in which the sexes are segregated in work and the military because they had discovered after the “experiments with changing roles in the 20th and 21st century, it just did not work.”

     

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  11. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):
    (To quote Kurt Schlichter “They are going to hate when the new rules get applied to them . . .”)

    He’s naive if he doesn’t realize they’ve already thought of that and have tactics in place to make sure it never happens.

    The first clue was when they changed the definition of racism from “arbitrary categorization based on genetic ethnography” to “anything white people do”.

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  12. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    It is amusing what “inclusion” means to the far left.  We want to include everybody . . . unless they have some different opinions from us.

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  13. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    It is amusing what “inclusion” means to the far left. We want to include everybody . . . unless they have some different opinions from us.

    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” – Noam Chomsky

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  14. Seawriter Contributor
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    The first clue was when they changed the definition of racism from “arbitrary categorization based on genetic ethnography” to “anything white people do”.

    Yabbut the two people who accused Correia are white. That means you cannot trust them to be truthful.

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  15. Hank Rhody, Loitering Contributor
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Progressives dominate the fields that are the middleware of civilization.

    So, you are saying they belong on the “B” Ark.

    You mean Twitter?

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  16. Hank Rhody, Loitering Contributor
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    not enough gaming systems that involve minority human races

    What about minority nonhuman races?

    #dwarflivesmatter.

    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Yeah. I don’t believe I’ve ever specified any ethnic background in any of the characters I ever made, with the exception of Gustav Chang, the German-Chinese mercenary in one cyberpunk game. Who hated French Canadians.

    Technically, he hated Frenchman, Canadians, and especially French Canadians.

    I’ll note the existence of Drow; elves with black skin and white hair. I’ve never heard anyone call racism on them even though they’re technically an evil race.

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I was telling my wife that today, a truly transgressive Science Fiction story would be one in which the sexes are segregated in work and the military because they had discovered after the “experiments with changing roles in the 20th and 21st century, it just did not work.”

    Good point.

    Please indulge me in a quick leap onto a soapbox. It occurs to me that ‘transgressive’ is like ‘dissent’; it has lost its negative connotations, is celebrated and celebratizing (as long as that person is a leftist).

    [Edit: added ‘in’ for clarity.]

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  18. TBA Coolidge
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    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Dorrk (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    not enough gaming systems that involve minority human races

    What about minority nonhuman races?

    #dwarflivesmatter.

    The only game like this that I’ve played is D&D. Human is one of many available races within the game, each of which has different advantages and disadvantages based on size and natural magic qualities.

    The insidious aspect of that guy’s complaint, that there aren’t cataloged sub-races of human, is that the only reason to have those in the game is for there to be corresponding racial differences that matter to the game-playing. Any attempt to add skills or deficiencies according to real human races is a terrible idea, and not only wouldn’t make this guy happy, but would certainly be attacked for its racial assignment of qualities. There’s nothing stopped anyone from saying that their human character in D&D is black, asian, hispanic, etc., and the beauty of it is that it doesn’t matter: they are all able to pursue the different classes of their choice and achieve the same things.

    Yeah. I don’t believe I’ve ever specified any ethnic background in any of the characters I ever made, with the exception of Gustav Chang, the German-Chinese mercenary in one cyberpunk game. Who hated French Canadians.

    Technically, he hated Frenchman, Canadians, and especially French Canadians.

    I’ll note the existence of Drow; elves with black skin and white hair. I’ve never heard anyone call racism on them even though they’re technically an evil race.

    Prolly because Drizzt (which is the exact sound a drop of water makes when it shorts out an electrical socket) was a protagonist. I wonder if I’m the first to notice that he is Elric in elfy-blackface….

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  19. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If anybody is thinking they’d like to go to a larger science fiction convention where there will be at least a few conservatives in attendance, how about we get together next year for WesterCon 72? There are already three Ricochet members signed up and I hope to recruit more. I haven’t written a post about it yet, but I will.

    Also consider DragonCon — every Labor Day weekend in Atlanta.  How better to spend a pseudo-communist holiday weekend than to spend money at an unabashedly commercial sci-fi/fantasy/comics/gaming/maker/cosplay/geek festival?  Especially one that created the Dragon Awards specifically to have a fan-driven alternative to the Hugos?  (Promptly won by a very present and personable Larry Correia.)

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  20. AltarGirl Member
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    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):

    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Progressives dominate the fields that are the middleware of civilization.

    So, you are saying they belong on the “B” Ark.

    You mean Twitter?

    Didn’t think they made it to the boat…

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  21. Matt Balzer Member
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    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):
    I’ll note the existence of Drow; elves with black skin and white hair. I’ve never heard anyone call racism on them even though they’re technically an evil race.

    Until they became a playable race. Now the entire race consists of Chaotic Good rebels looking to throw off their ancestors’ evil reputation.

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  22. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I was telling my wife that today, a truly transgressive Science Fiction story would be one in which the sexes are segregated in work and the military because they had discovered after the “experiments with changing roles in the 20th and 21st century, it just did not work.”

     

    Better idea: Experiments with switching roles does “work”… for as long as Earth remains isolated in the Galaxy…

    …and then first contact happens.

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  23. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Seawriter (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    The first clue was when they changed the definition of racism from “arbitrary categorization based on genetic ethnography” to “anything white people do”.

    Yabbut the two people who accused Correia are white. That means you cannot trust them to be truthful.

    They are the devil, after all.

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  24. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):
    Technically, he hated Frenchman, Canadians, and especially French Canadians.

    They get a bad rap. In some ways, they’re the most conservative of all Canadians.

    (The former leader of the separatist Bloc Quebecois just switched affiliation to the Conservative Party of Canada.)

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  25. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):
    I’ll note the existence of Drow; elves with black skin and white hair. I’ve never heard anyone call racism on them even though they’re technically an evil race.

    Until they became a playable race. Now the entire race consists of Chaotic Good rebels looking to throw off their ancestors’ evil reputation.

    I endorse this idea.  There are lots of races that should be playable, and the Drow are included in that group.

    The problem is that a group of PCs that includes evil races cannot include good races or classes.  Well, it cannot include them and also make sense.

    “So, you’re a paladin … and you’re a Drow?  Ok.  How the bloody f**k do I DM this group?”

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  26. Matt Balzer Member
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Hank Rhody, Loitering (View Comment):
    I’ll note the existence of Drow; elves with black skin and white hair. I’ve never heard anyone call racism on them even though they’re technically an evil race.

    Until they became a playable race. Now the entire race consists of Chaotic Good rebels looking to throw off their ancestors’ evil reputation.

    I endorse this idea. There are lots of races that should be playable, and the Drow are included in that group.

    The problem is that a group of PCs that includes evil races cannot include good races or classes. Well, it cannot include them and also make sense.

    “So, you’re a paladin … and you’re a Drow? Ok. How the bloody f**k do I DM this group?”

    Rocks fall, everyone dies.

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  27. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    dnewlander (View Comment):

    One of my friends from college got caught up in the whole Sad Puppies thing. (He was nominated for an editing award that year.) The things “people” (and I use the word very loosely) said about him for daring to be a fairly moderate social conservative and speak out against the idea that the Hugos should be awarded based on identity politics were shameful, and it’s really turned him off to the whole SFF community. Which is a real shame, because as I said he was nominated for a Hugo, edited the book The Martian, and has worked with almost all the living luminaries in the field. Hell, his novelization of the new Predator movie just came out (I think…).

    The “Othering” you describe has really gotten bad recently, but it soured me to modern SF a while ago, so much now that unless someone I trust implicitly recommends a novel or story, I choose to read (or reread) one of the hundreds (if not thousands) of “classic” novels and stories I already have on my Kindle, rather than subject myself to the nonsense that passes for “acclaimed” stuff these days.

    </rant>

    Tor books are highly suspect, but Baen books offer better odds.

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  28. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    So a little background.  I met Larry briefly at Dragoncon.  He seemed a good boisterous guy.

    As to Origins I am shocked the showrunner Jim Ward, even invited Larry given how ‘controversial’ a guy Larry is.  And by controversial I meant such a huge pro 2nd amendment guy.

    I have a friend who has been planning a takeover of the Origins board for a number of years, so I hear all the stories of Jim Ward.  Long story short hes so risk averse none of this surprises me.  He banned one of our guys from the organization after the guy submitted a panel that he was going to do on Gamergate.  Not bannned the subject but bounced the guy from attending the con for years to come.

    Another show  runner would probably have laughed off the two losers and there accusations.  But Jim Ward of Origins is not that guy.  

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  29. Michael Brehm Lincoln
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    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):
    “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.” – Noam Chomsky

    Nuts to that. I want to live in a world where violent gangs of flat-earthers confront rival gangs of Whigs, Keynesians, and people who have all got to the kill-screen in Donkey Kong amongst the ruins of burnt-out malls all while avoiding the attention of the Inquisition death-bots. Man, a guy could have so much fun in that world…

     

     

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  30. Nick H Coolidge
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    I’m constantly amazed at how these supposedly smart people who have made books and stories such a major part of their lives can’t wrap their minds around the idea that the authors are not the same as the characters they write. Larry is not Owen Z. Pitt or Milo Anderson or Earl Harbinger or Julie Shackleford or Jake Sullivan or Faye Vierra or Ashok Vidal or any of the other hundreds of characters he’s created. (OK, he’s got a lot in common with Owen, but still.) John Ringo is not a former SEAL who’s now a warlord of displaced Vikings and into serious BSDM, or a devout Christian soccer mom with magical powers from God, or a uber-libertarian multi-billionaire who builds space fortresses out of asteroids, or a former Army Ranger who goes on to save the world from alien invasion in a suit of magical combat armor. (OK, he is a former Army Ranger, but still.) The SJW authors imagine that because these guys write characters that excel at violence and mayhem that John and Larry and authors like them (and all their fans) are hyper-violent killing machines or something. It’s crazy. Or maybe it says something about them, that they really think they’re sensitive sparkly vampires or can control magical dragons with the beauty of their singing or whatever.

    Seriously though, the SJW types are right to be scared of Larry and John. Not because they’re violent physically, but because they’re way better at writing and aren’t afraid to use those skills to defend themselves. I’d bet that a good chunk of their anger is really jealously. When John’s muse kicks in, he can push out a whole series of books in the time it takes some authors to write a single chapter. And they’re good books that sell really, really well. Larry’s so successful he bought a whole frickin’ mountain! I’ve been interacting with John and Larry online for years now, and they’re both nice guys. But they have strong opinions and have no tolerance for fools. If you’re going to debate with them, be prepared. They write arguments as sharp as the characters thy create. 

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