Attacks vs. Criticism: An Attempt at Clarification

 

Criticism of Trump is fine. It’s good and right from a free citizenry and the associated pundit class. I also enjoyed contempt, mockery, and snark when it is aimed at, for example, a Clinton.

Contempt, mockery, and snark are properly the province of late-night comedy types (including the Trevor Noahs of the world, even if they’re in denial), and also the agents of an opposition.

Contempt, mockery, and snark are not criticism. They are attacks, as are various predictions of doom, claims that the world is laughing at us, and similar Trump is ruining everything! comments.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with attacking our own guy (Trump is our own guy, btw, and for policy one of the best we’ve had in a long while). But we’ve already got people doing it. The left and their minions; the public school indoctrinators, the clamorous press, the “comedy” faction, and some of the most prolific twittists the world has ever known.

And when they’re right, they’re right. But then again, they’re mostly not right. Even leaving out the rank partisanship and the aforementioned contempt/mockery/snark, these people I would describe as enemies of Trump also lie about him. A lot.

Bernard Meltzer famously said, “Before you speak, ask yourself if what you are going to say is true, is kind, is necessary, is helpful. If the answer is no, maybe what you are about to say should be left unsaid.”

This is the kind of truly good advice that I won’t let get in my way and I certainly don’t expect anyone else to adopt it.

Nevertheless, saying things that are solidly untrue, cruel, irrelevant or damaging about your own guy is, ultimately, self-destructive.

Criticize away. But try to keep the destruction to a minimum.

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  1. The King Prawn Inactive
    The King Prawn
    @TheKingPrawn

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    This is the kind of truly good advice that I won’t let get in my way and I certainly don’t expect anyone else to adopt it.

    ARE YOU ATTACKING ME?

    Oh, Hey, Jamie. What’s happening?

    Getting ready to celebrate our first Mother’s Day. Can’t screw this one up.

    Yes you can. I believe in you.

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  2. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Valiuth (View Comment):

     

    I for one reject Trump as my guy. He isn’t. I don’t want him any more than I wanted Obama. And the constant attempt to lump me into this “we” is tiresome and irritating. I don’t feel any need to be kind or helpful to Trump or the Republicans any more than I need to be kind of helpful to the Democrats, who by the way never seem to have gotten the benefit of these kind and helpful considerations when they were in charge. Also, why should anyone give Trump these benefits when he clearly never gives them himself to anyone?

    I apologize and retract my statement. For the record, I have never thought you were a leftist but rather some rare strain of Libertarian, possibly from a parallel universe. 

    When I say ‘our guy’ I am not implying paternity. I am not suggesting that you endorse him, send him money, lie to his wife about his affairs, invite him to dinner or do anything for him whatever. I am instead saying that he advances our interests which are center-right and conservative. 

    I never asked anyone to be kind or helpful to Trump. What I am suggesting is that it is to our advantage to not be unkind or unhelpful, as well as untrue and unnecessary. 

    The money quote: 

    Nevertheless, saying things that are solidly untrue, cruel, irrelevant or damaging about your own guy is, ultimately, self-destructive.

    Criticize away. But try to keep the destruction to a minimum.

    So if you absolutely reject the ‘your guy’ phrase the rest still stands. 

    Would you agree that criticism that avoids destruction – of him or your interests – is preferable to outright attacks?  

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  3. Umbra of Nex, Fractus Inactive
    Umbra of Nex, Fractus
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I never asked anyone to be kind or helpful to Trump. What I am suggesting is that it is to our advantage to not be unkind or unhelpful, as well as untrue and unnecessary. 

     

    I think it’s safe to say that we can all agree that untrue and unnecessary criticism is bad. Hopefully we can agree that this holds true in all cases, even stipulating that we disagree about what is necessary (IE. I would consider the recent piling on John McCain and the inevitable swarming of every Mona Charen post to be “unnecessary.”) That said, the fact that we clearly have a wide range of opinions regarding what is or is not necessary is not a small matter.

    TBA (View Comment):

    When I say ‘our guy’ I am not implying paternity. I am not suggesting that you endorse him, send him money, lie to his wife about his affairs, invite him to dinner or do anything for him whatever. I am instead saying that he advances our interests which are center-right and conservative. 

     

    The critic/skeptic/NeverTrumper would add, “…in the short term,” to your final sentence here.  The concern that many had before, and which has not been conclusively disproved, is that the damage Trump does to the Republican brand may result in the decimation of the Republican party and decades of Democrat rule with all the resulting horrors you can imagine. No one yet knows who’s right on this question, but pessimism should not be beyond the pale.

    That said, those who “attack” (in your sense of the word) the optimists without provocation are equally unhelpful. We can agree on that.

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  4. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    TBA (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

     

    I for one reject Trump as my guy. He isn’t. I don’t want him any more than I wanted Obama. And the constant attempt to lump me into this “we” is tiresome and irritating. I don’t feel any need to be kind or helpful to Trump or the Republicans any more than I need to be kind of helpful to the Democrats, who by the way never seem to have gotten the benefit of these kind and helpful considerations when they were in charge. Also, why should anyone give Trump these benefits when he clearly never gives them himself to anyone?

    I apologize and retract my statement. For the record, I have never thought you were a leftist but rather some rare strain of Libertarian, possibly from a parallel universe.

    When I say ‘our guy’ I am not implying paternity. I am not suggesting that you endorse him, send him money, lie to his wife about his affairs, invite him to dinner or do anything for him whatever. I am instead saying that he advances our interests which are center-right and conservative.

    I never asked anyone to be kind or helpful to Trump. What I am suggesting is that it is to our advantage to not be unkind or unhelpful, as well as untrue and unnecessary.

    The money quote:

    Nevertheless, saying things that are solidly untrue, cruel, irrelevant or damaging about your own guy is, ultimately, self-destructive.

    Criticize away. But try to keep the destruction to a minimum.

    So if you absolutely reject the ‘your guy’ phrase the rest still stands.

    Would you agree that criticism that avoids destruction – of him or your interests – is preferable to outright attacks?

    I’ve recounted  this  before, but apparently the issue and the resulting misunderstandings are evergreen. There were a series of threads about young earth creationism awhile back,  and they got contentious.  The last thread was one in which a member (was it MJ Bubba?) wrote to ask other members of the coalition to refrain from joining in on destructive attacks against YEC’s. He wasn’t asking for agreement or even really understanding. Just please don’t join in on the left’s attacks.

    Well, I was surprised by the responses. Many simply could not fathom a distinction between criticism and attack, tolerance and agreement, defense and embrace. Still others were actively hostile to the suggestion. 

    With all of the upgrades and changes since then I don’t have the link anymore, but it’s worth trying to find it. Instructive. Depressing.

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  5. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    @CarolJoy

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):

     

    I for one reject Trump as my guy. He isn’t. I don’t want him any more than I wanted Obama. And the constant attempt to lump me into this “we” is tiresome and irritating. I don’t feel any need to be kind or helpful to Trump or the Republicans any more than I need to be kind of helpful to the Democrats, who by the way never seem to have gotten the benefit of these kind and helpful considerations when they were in charge. Also, why should anyone give Trump these benefits when he clearly never gives them himself to anyone?

    I apologize and retract my statement. For the record, I have never thought you were a leftist but rather some rare strain of Libertarian, possibly from a parallel universe.

    When I say ‘our guy’ I am not implying paternity. I am not suggesting that you endorse him, send him money, lie to his wife about his affairs, invite him to dinner or do anything for him whatever. I am instead saying that he advances our interests which are center-right and conservative.

    I never asked anyone to be kind or helpful to Trump. What I am suggesting is that it is to our advantage to not be unkind or unhelpful, as well as untrue and unnecessary.

    The money quote:

    Nevertheless, saying things that are solidly untrue, cruel, irrelevant or damaging about your own guy is, ultimately, self-destructive.

    Criticize away. But try to keep the destruction to a minimum.

    SNIP

    Would you agree that criticism that avoids destruction – of him or your interests – is preferable to outright attacks?

    I’ve recounted this before, but apparently the issue and the resulting misunderstandings are evergreen. There were a series of threads about young earth creationism awhile back, and they got contentious. SNIP MJ Bubba?) wrote to ask other members … to refrain from joining in on destructive attacks against YEC’s. He wasn’t asking for agreement or even really understanding… please don’t join in on the left’s attacks.

    SNIP Many simply could not fathom a distinction between criticism and attack, tolerance and agreement, defense and embrace. Still others were actively hostile to the suggestion.

    SNIP Instructive. Depressing.

    The reason such things do not surprise some of us is because for the last forty years, the way political discussion is framed on TV is that there are only two sides. So on Sunday afternoon talk shows, there was only the conservative vs the liberal. Usually the libs were wimpy, or they wouldn’t have been chosen to be there  at all.

    As though that was not enough of a ‘frame,’ the production people ensured further confusion by making sure that people screamed over one another’s statements. Add to those elements the fact that many who consider themselves “scientists” are merely computer scientists, a world which is totally binary. One or Zero. Yes or No. All or nothing.

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