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  1. Front Seat Cat Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is an attempt by the Israelis to manipulate our gullible President into decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

    Whatever it takes to kill the “deal” . . .

    I for one don’t sell Trump short when it comes to intelligence. I believe he knows many people do, and he has no qualms about using that to his advantage.

    I have actually observed the complete opposite. He seems oblivious to when he’s being manipulated. The simplest example is the Saudi trip.

    That statement is confusing Fred.  Trump kept a lot of the Obama intelligence honchos in place when he was elected, then streamlined it.  The Saudi trip?  Didn’t one of the Saudi princes just state to the Palestinians that they have been given every option and peace offering for decades and have refused all of it – “so if you are not serious about peace with Israel, stop asking for it”?  That was certainly in response to the Saudi trip. The difference between Obama and Trump is Trump listens, and delegates to those who are actually smarter than him in their respective fields – Intelligence, military etc. and then provides what they need.  Obama and his information suppliers, Hillary and John Kerry, sat on his hands and you can see where that has gotten us in 8 years, foreign-policy related.

    Another example is the situation in Ukraine, where again Obama sat on his hands, afraid he might stir up Russia…..Trump is not duped by the world’s thugs. 

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12228/ukraine-russia-invasion

     

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  2. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Read about it on Drudge. Where are our intelligence agencies on this? Did they uncover anything? If so, did they hide it to preserve “The Deal” made by BHO?

    It may have been a joint effort that took a lot of time and planning – and an agreement that the US acknowledgement would remain silent and Israel takes the full credit – my gosh! The enormity (even the physical weight) of the stuff they grabbed in one night from a sealed vault? A half ton and they had to leave some of it because it was too heavy? Someone get that screen play going!

    Not a sealed vault. A warehouse in a Tehran suburb. I’ve also heard it described as a storage unit. 

    Sounds like something you could do with a van and a couple of guys. 

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  3. Drew, now with Dragon Energy! Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is an attempt by the Israelis to manipulate our gullible President into decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

    Do you really want to go “International Jewish Conspiracy!” on this?

     

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  4. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Drew, now with Dragon Energy! (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is an attempt by the Israelis to manipulate our gullible President into decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

    Do you really want to go “International Jewish Conspiracy!” on this?

     

    Yeah, dude. That’s exactly where I was going with that. I was totally looking for a simple three word phrase that would describe it. Thank you so much for furthering an intelligent discussion by providing one. 

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    Didn’t one of the Saudi princes just state to the Palestinians that they have been given every option and peace offering for decades and have refused all of it – “so if you are not serious about peace with Israel, stop asking for it”?

    Not just one of the princes — Prince Muhammed bin Salman. Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman. I believe the formulation was “shut up and stop complaining.”

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  6. Drew, now with Dragon Energy! Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Drew, now with Dragon Energy! (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is an attempt by the Israelis to manipulate our gullible President into decertifying the Iran nuclear deal.

    Do you really want to go “International Jewish Conspiracy!” on this?

    Yeah, dude. That’s exactly where I was going with that. I was totally looking for a simple three word phrase that would describe it. Thank you so much for furthering an intelligent discussion by providing one.

    I’ll note that wasn’t a denial.

     

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  7. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Drew, now with Dragon Energy! (View Comment):

    I’ll note that wasn’t a denial.

     

    Cut it out. 

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  8. Columbo Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Read about it on Drudge. Where are our intelligence agencies on this? Did they uncover anything? If so, did they hide it to preserve “The Deal” made by BHO?

    It may have been a joint effort that took a lot of time and planning – and an agreement that the US acknowledgement would remain silent and Israel takes the full credit – my gosh! The enormity (even the physical weight) of the stuff they grabbed in one night from a sealed vault? A half ton and they had to leave some of it because it was too heavy? Someone get that screen play going!

    Not a sealed vault. A warehouse in a Tehran suburb. I’ve also heard it described as a storage unit.

    Sounds like something you could do with a van and a couple of guys.

    Cut it out.

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  9. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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     Joking that the haul of new secret material could have been done with a van and some moving guys is not the same as joking that someone talking about Israel must see all Jews as part of an international cabal.

    Your attempt at equivalence fails.

    Really cut it out.

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  10. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Not a sealed vault. A warehouse in a Tehran suburb. I’ve also heard it described as a storage unit. 

    Sounds like something you could do with a van and a couple of guys. 

    2:00 in we see the interior. Those are heavy duty safes. Interestingly, the amount of material collected probably only accounts for a few of them.

    That begs the question of how representative the collected material is.

    Did they only collect the atomic bomb portions of an archive that also included hydrogen bomb materials?

    Did the spies have access to inspect the contents of all the safes and then pick the best material to retrieve? Or did they just break into  a random group and retrieve what they found?

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  11. Zafar Member
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    CB Toder aka Mama Toad (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Where’s the proof? Why should I believe him?

     

    I’m counting that as a “yes.”

    @cbtoderakamamatoad – of possible interest:

    Gareth Porter, independent investigative journalist, historian, and author of the book, “Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare,” joins the show to talk about the United States’ withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal.

    Porter addresses recent events involving the backlash to President Donald Trump’s decision, as well as Israel’s military strikes on Iranian targets in Syria.

    He outlines the threat of war with Iran and discusses his report, “The Latest Act in Israel’s Iran Nuclear Disinformation Campaign,” which was published at Consortium News.

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  12. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
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    Sorry to whomever linked this elsewhere on the site, I can’t recall who or where, but this is just freakin’ awesome:

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/07/how-israels-mossad-pulled-of-the-iran-nuclear-archives-heist/

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