Ricochet is the best place on the internet to discuss the issues of the day, either through commenting on posts or writing your own for our active and dynamic community in a fully moderated environment. In addition, the Ricochet Audio Network offers over 50 original podcasts with new episodes released every day.
Bibi’s Statement on Iran’s Nuclear Lies
If it’s true. Of course no proof because ‘sensitive’, and no conflict of interest at all.
Are you saying that you think the PM’s information is false? Do you think he is lying deliberately or that he is misled by his conflicts of interest?
Mama Toad, why would you sign a nuclear agreement with a country that you believed was only intetested in electricity?
I can’t think of a single reason, but I’m happy to be enlightened by reality.
Where’s the proof? Why should I believe him?
He has a strong interest in the US being in conflict with Iran (not Aidan, poor guy) instead of rapprochement.
He has every reason to lie, or to be selective with the truth to that end.
That’s what I wondered in 2015.
That’s what the Obama administration told us the Iranian nuclear program was for, energy and “medicine.” (That’s fine irony there, as the Iranians no doubt want to give the Americans and Israelis a taste of their own medicine by becoming a nuclear power.)
I’m counting that as a “yes.”
Where did the Obama Administration say that? I don’t remember that at all. Please give me a link.
That is not an answer.
Scroll down to “Fordo.”
Here’s the NY Times in 2015 about Fordo’s swords being beaten into plowshares.
Which is what I meant when I said they wanted a nuclear Iran. “For fairness.” (And also to wipe Israel off the map. Obama is no friend to Israel.)
Yes, but does Netanyahu have proof that Iran has not done this conversion:
“According to the U.S. State Department fact sheet and a joint statement by Iran and the EU, Iran has agreed to convert its underground Fordo facility into a research centre for nuclear science and physics and about half of the Fordo facility would be dedicated to advanced nuclear research and production of stable radioisotopes which have important applications in medicine, agriculture, industry and science.[16] Furthermore, Iran would maintain no more than 1,044 centrifuges for this purpose.”
Because my understanding is that he’s quoting from stuff about before the agreement.
Where’s his proof about things being against the agreement today? Does he have any?
Looks like the discussion yesterday on Journolist 2.0 was “Do we cover for Obama with gaslighting or bensmithing?”
I thought your question to me was “When or where did the Obama administration say that the nuclear research had a medical application?” and that I answered it, but it looks like you are changing your question.
This is curious. You appreciate Gen Mattis only when he confrims conclusions you’ve already reached and not for his decades of experience and knowledge?
No, it seems to me that he loves Mattis for his decades of experience and knowledge. Your question seems deliberately obtuse.
This is fascinating:
Here’s a Collection of Ben Rhodes’ Tweets That Got Everything Wrong on Iran
PJ Media says “got wrong.” I say “deliberately misled.”
No I thought you said that Bamz had claimed that Iran only was interested in medical reasearch wrt nuclear stuff. Must have misunderstood.
Nuclear research having a medical dimension is sort of standard, right?
Seems to me that he has reached a conclusion that a 4 Star general doesn’t agree with and this causes him to think less of the General. On these matters I tend to side with the General.
Or he doesn’t show it.
I’ve often thought someone like Sheila Jackson Lee was the epitome of stupidity. Yet . . . she has a law degree from the University of Virginia, and she’s in Congress. The same goes for Pelosi. Drudge has tons of articles about the dumb things she says, implying she’s losing her mental bearing.
Well, I’m not selling politicians short any more. They have to be shrewd to hold onto power these days. Pelosi may very well still be elected minority leader after the November elections, and J-Lee will still be in office. As for Trump? I think he’s a genius. He beat the odds, and I think it’s a mistake for anyone to sell him short on the political skills he needed to survive in the business he was in . . .
Most Muslims aren’t. Oops, did I just post a troll comment? Hehe . . .
Fred, for a skeptic, sometimes you can be so ingenuous.
Iran lied to us, to the IAEA, and to their own citizens that they ever even had a plan to develop nuclear weapons. Bibi’s various video cuts at the beginning of his presentation wasn’t meant to be exhaustive — those were only the greatest hits. So on what evidence do you rely for your contention that the program has been suspended? Would it be the Iranians themselves telling us that they suspended the program that they told us that they never had? I’ve worked on programs that have been suspended due to a lack of funding. When the funding was turned back on, then so were the programs.
The Iranian Nuclear Deal was never about nuclear weapons. It was about strengthening Iran in order for it to serve as a regional counterweight to Saudi Arabia and allow the U.S. to minimize its long term presence in the Middle East. The deal was simply a way to facilitate the withdrawal of sanctions in order to allow this process to proceed.
Which Netanyahu does not want. There’s your motive.
Thank God it will work.
If you mean Israel believes Iran is a greater threat to it than Saudi Arabia or any Arab state that’s consistent with what they’ve been saying for 15 years. It’s what they tried to tell the Bush Administration back in 2002 – that Iran was a bigger threat than Iraq.
Sorry. I’ve already been lied into supporting one war this century based on scaremongering, innuendo, and lies about WMDs.
I learned the hard way not to trust the hawks on this stuff.
No, I mean that Israel wants the US to maintain its long term presence in the Middle East, or even increase it, because that is in Israel’s national interest.
(Saudi wants the US to do this too : – )
What is interesting is that this actually conflicts with one (I think popular) aspect of Trump’s platform – not getting involved in foreign wars and open ended ‘nation building’ (whatever that means).
You were lied to about this deal. That doesn’t bother you?
It may have been a joint effort that took a lot of time and planning – and an agreement that the US acknowledgement would remain silent and Israel takes the full credit – my gosh! The enormity (even the physical weight) of the stuff they grabbed in one night from a sealed vault? A half ton and they had to leave some of it because it was too heavy? Someone get that screen play going!