FBI Raids Trump Lawyer’s Office

 

The FBI has raided the office of President Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen. From the New York Times:

Federal prosecutors in Manhattan obtained the search warrant after receiving a referral from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, according to Mr. Cohen’s lawyer, who called the search “completely inappropriate and unnecessary.” The search does not appear to be directly related to Mr. Mueller’s investigation, but likely resulted from information he had uncovered and gave to prosecutors in New York.

“Today the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York executed a series of search warrants and seized the privileged communications between my client, Michael Cohen, and his clients,” said Stephen Ryan, his lawyer. “I have been advised by federal prosecutors that the New York action is, in part, a referral by the Office of Special Counsel, Robert Mueller.”

Mr. Cohen plays a role in aspects of the special counsel’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. He also recently said he paid $130,000 to a pornographic-film actress, Stephanie Clifford, who said she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Ms. Clifford is known as Stormy Daniels.

 

This investigation has gone from “Trump colluded with Putin to steal American democracy” to “Trump diddled a porn star” in about a year. Hopefully Mueller will wrap up this investigation soon.

What do you think, Ricochetti? Is this big or blah?

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  1. spaceman_spiff Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    This investigation has gone from “Trump colluded with Putin to steal American democracy” to “Trump diddled a porn star” in about a year. Hopefully Mueller will wrap up this investigation soon.

    Any investigation that gets near Donald Trump was bound to find crimes, likely owing to the fact that Donald Trump is a dirtbag.

    And I was just pitching Ricochet to someone over at Facebook:

    “Ricochet moderates but they moderate for language not political content. The goal there is civility and constructive engagement with one another. My primary problem with Facebook is how ill-mannered it often is here.”

     

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  2. A-Squared Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    A2 that is not the prevailing view on Ricochet. At least, I’ve seen no evidence that it is prevailing. I think Columbo is getting at the issue of equal application of the law and how that is a much bigger problem for our republic than who paid Stormy Daniels how much.

    I completely disagree, but that comes as no surprise. People here are outraged that the government is enforcing the law against a Republican.

    The “What Aboutism” is explicitly an argument that it is ok for Republicans to do it because Democrats do it. I don’t find that argument convincing but I accept that it is convincing to many on here.

    No it really isn’t. I just explained how it isn’t that. I also just explained how I’m not outraged by enforcement of the law but my selective partisan enforcement of the law especially when the law needs to be enforced on seemingly much more serious crimes.

    I disagree. But you won’t convince me and I won’t convince you so let’s drop it.  

     

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  3. Fred Cole Inactive
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    I don’t know why any freedom loving person would like what is happening. Ok you don’t like Trump, but is this the way to get rid of him?

    The “this” here being a legal search Persians to a lawfully obtained warrant in an ongoing investigation?

     

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  4. Valiuth Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Had the American people chosen differently I think you would be keen on investigating Clinton’s wrong doings past and ongoing.

    And I’m still keen for it. Seems to me the issues there are much more serious and much more substantiated. I would not have been so keen, though, that I would have supported manufacturing a campaign finance violation if Hillary had paid Huma to keep their lesbian relationship secret.

    Didn’t Republicans manufacture campaign finance violations against Clinton too by this standard? The matter is being investigated. They had a warrant so they had to have demonstrated some probable cause. This though isn’t proof that anything happened, but that it looks like something might have happened that warrants investigation. The explanations of this NDA payoff are conflicting, and no account is made of the payment in campaign records. If it was done for the purposes of the campaign it would be a violation of either disclosure laws, or depending on who paid the money contribution limits. John Edward’s was investigated for this very same thing. I believe he won in court in the end, but I dont recall any Republican complaining how unfair it was to him? Granted he was out of office by then, and Trump is the sitting president, but hey that’s the way the cookie crumbles. 

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  5. Ed G. Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Didn’t Republicans manufacture campaign finance violations against Clinton too by this standard?

    I don’t know. How do you mean?

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  6. Ed G. Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    The explanations of this NDA payoff are conflicting, and no account is made of the payment in campaign records.

    Is that probable cause for a campaign violation, let alone a raid of this type rather than a subpoena? Seems like a record of a payoff coming from the campaign would be the violation, not lack of a payoff from the campaign.

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  7. A-Squared Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

     

    Seems like a record of a payoff coming from the campaign would be the violation, not lack of a payoff from the campaign.

    If the campaign reimbursed Cohen, the payment from Cohen to Daniels would probably not be in violation of campaign finance laws.  

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  8. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    formerlawprof (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    Mueller and his Democrat Lawyer Attack Team are engaged in scorched earth warfare. Sessions needs to appoint as Special Counsel a snarling partisan dog, give that person a broad grant of authority, let them hire partisan Republican lawyers, and set ’em loose

    Dershowitz may be right or wrong on this–I think he’s right–but he insisted to Hannity that Mueller and his team are not partisan, only zealous to the point of overzealousness. (Hello, Andrew Weissmann.)

    My problem is with the very origin of this whole thing stemming from Rosenstein’s incorrect grant of authority to Mueller.  Because of Comey and Mueller’s relationship, and Mueller’s fixation on protecting the FBI and DOJ, both of which had questionable involvement in this whole affair, he should have, if he had any self-respect, declined the appointment because of conflict of interest.  It is clear that Mueller’s self-righteousness outweighed his self-respect. 

    If he wanted to provide the American people with some confidence he was not running a lynch mob he would not have hired a posse of Democratic party hacks as his staff.  He clearly does not care.

    And we all know that Mueller is offended that a person of the caliber of Trump became president and he feels it his duty to overturn the verdict of the American electorate.  Hey, Trump offends me but Mueller is far worse in what he is trying to do.

     

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    the vulgarity of the man

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    indignity of it all

    How did it come to this?

    It came to this because of people like your interlocutor here, who don’t like the choice the American people made.

    We are here because of the choices Trump has made. No one forced him to have sex with Stormy. No one forced Cohen to pay her to not disclose the affair, and no one forced them to potentially break laws and commit other ethical violations. The president isn’t above the law or beyond reproach. Had the American people chosen differently I think you would be keen on investigating Clinton’s wrong doings past and ongoing. Would that be because you hadn’t liked the decision the people had made?

    Are you serious here? There may be a crime here and we apparently have a valid federal investigation that results in the subject search warrants. Nothing even close to this was ever initiated with regard to Clinton’s failures to secure classified material and in the weak and cursory look taken by the Comey team at these events several other possible crimes including obstruction and perjury were committed. You truly think we are having equal and balanced performance in our federal law enforcement?

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  10. Mate De Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    I don’t know why any freedom loving person would like what is happening. Ok you don’t like Trump, but is this the way to get rid of him?

    The “this” here being a legal search Persians to a lawfully obtained warrant in an ongoing investigation?

     

    Oh Give me a break. I guess for Libertarians being for limitations of state power, is only a virtue when people you like are in power. If you don’t like the person in power then, I guess by all means necessary to get rid of them is the virtue.

     It is obvious the investigation regarding Trump’s involvement into Russian collusion isn’t panning out, so they are grasping at straws. Actually what we are finding is that the Clinton campaign, the Obama administration and FBI has more evidence against them regarding Russian collusion then anything to do with Trump.  But do expect Muller to turn his sights on the Democrats? Have we so far seen any repercussions regarding the corruption at the FBI, the FISA court and the previous administration illegally unmasking people in order to disrupt the Trump administration before it started? No,  we haven’t.

    This whole thing stinks and the investigation needs to be shut down. It is obvious our institutions in DC are corrupt.

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  11. A-Squared Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    And we all know that Mueller is offended that a person of the caliber of Trump became president and he feels it his duty to overturn the verdict of the American electorate

    How do we know that?  

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  12. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    And we all know that Mueller is offended that a person of the caliber of Trump became president and he feels it his duty to overturn the verdict of the American electorate

    How do we know that?

    “We” means “I”, of course!  Just trying to be inclusive.  But yes, having observed the self-rightousness of the man for 30 years I have no doubt of it. 

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  13. TJSnapp, Multi Pass holder Inactive
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    So far one of the premiere investigative bodies in the world has turned up:

    1. Internet trolls are real/ people believe stupid stuff on the internet

    2. Rich men have sex with women they aren’t married to and then don’t want to talk about it ten years later

    No wonder they brought back Mulder and Scully, someone had to add a little credibility to the Bureau.

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  14. A-Squared Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    And we all know that Mueller is offended that a person of the caliber of Trump became president and he feels it his duty to overturn the verdict of the American electorate

    How do we know that?

    “We” means “I”, of course! Just trying to be inclusive. But yes, having observed the self-rightousness of the man for 30 years I have no doubt of it.

    You’ve observed Mueller for 30 years?  OK. I don’t know enough about him to draw that conclusion.

    The problem I see is that with Trump, if you are not 100% for him, you must be 100% against him.  I am neither, but in the minds of his supporters on here, that means I must be 100% against him because there is no allowable middle ground.

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  15. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    I don’t know why any freedom loving person would like what is happening. Ok you don’t like Trump, but is this the way to get rid of him?

    The “this” here being a legal search Persians to a lawfully obtained warrant in an ongoing investigation?

    Oh Give me a break. I guess for Libertarians being for limitations of state power, is only a virtue when people you like are in power. If you don’t like the person in power then, I guess by all means necessary to get rid of them is the virtue.

    If you want to change the way police powers, prosecutions, and searches take place, that might be an interesting conversation.  We can start with the expansion of police powers due to the war on drugs and then talk about how it was further warped to fight terrorism.

    But that’s not what this is about.  This is about an investigation that’s finding (to no one’s suprise) massive wrong doing, probably on the part of Donald Trump.  That’s why people are having tantrums about it.  People on the right had similar tantrums about the Watergate investigation.

    Some of us tried to warn you Trump people ahead of time that this man shouldn’t be President.  You had to choose to ignore the red flags.

     

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  16. Fred Cole Inactive
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    “This whole thing stinks and the investigation needs to be shut down. It is obvious our institutions in DC are corrupt.”

    If that’s the case, Donald Trump should shut down the investigation.  It is within his power to do so.

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):

    Trump and Republicans are both responsible for this witch hunt for approving its creation and tolerating its wild, lawless expansion.

    There was never a time when Democrats would not spin news regarding these “investigations”, whether approved or not. There will never be a time the circus can be shut down without the Left going on parade with lies and conspiracies. Today and tomorrow, as a year ago, the Trump administration and Republicans (Trump fans and not) will have to counter slanderous narratives.

    Shut it down. Conflict and damage cannot be avoided.

    I agree. Pick a date in a six month increment from the start of this nonsense and say, ‘enough’. In fact, one might consider trial time limits for us little people as well. 

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  18. Columbo Inactive
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Compare and contrast the treatment of the lawyers of Hillary Clinton by Comey’s FBI …………….

    Clinton lawyer Cherly Mills leaves the tea & crumpets interview once the FBI broaches an off-limits topic (the emails?!!)

    So, the solution for Democratic politicians committing crimes with impunity is to let Republicans commit crimes with impunity?

    I would prefer that we enforce the law, not ignore it, even when the target is a Republican politician. I recognize that is not the prevailing view on Ricochet, but I refuse to view the law through a blatantly partisan lens.

    You completely miss the point. The point is the exact same people in charge of the law enforcement approach have treated the two parties in exactly opposite ways! Why is that? Why is their enforcement selective? Why are you so comfortable with that being done to the President of the United States! Hell, the so-called Libertarians here should be outraged! And yet … they are celebrating and high-fiving. Because Trump. Sad.

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  19. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    And we all know that Mueller is offended that a person of the caliber of Trump became president and he feels it his duty to overturn the verdict of the American electorate

    How do we know that?

    “We” means “I”, of course! Just trying to be inclusive. But yes, having observed the self-rightousness of the man for 30 years I have no doubt of it.

    You’ve observed Mueller for 30 years? OK. I don’t know enough about him to draw that conclusion.

    The problem I see is that with Trump, if you are not 100% for him, you must be 100% against him. I am neither, but in the minds of his supporters on here, that means I must be 100% against him because there is no allowable middle ground.

    Yes, I dealt with Mueller thirty years ago, an experience I’ve written about on Ricochet, and am familiar with his DOJ tenure in Boston where I also was at the time, including his collusion with the corrupt FBI office in that city.

    And, as I mentioned above, I am offended by Trump and feel the last election was an embarrassment for both parties, but am much more troubled by the behavior of Comey, Mueller, and their cronies at the FBI and Justice.  It’s a disgrace.

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  20. Ed G. Member
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Seems like a record of a payoff coming from the campaign would be the violation, not lack of a payoff from the campaign.

    If the campaign reimbursed Cohen, the payment from Cohen to Daniels would probably not be in violation of campaign finance laws.

    Is a payment from Cohen to Porny a violation of campaign finance laws? Why? Maybe it’s a business expense; maybe it’s a personal expense – is everything related to a campaign if one is a candidate for office?

    If the answer is that everything is campaign related then there is really only one ultimate outcome: no speech outside of official channels, including no commercial news. The New Yorker has a puff piece on Hillary? Obviously a campaign contribution using commercial space to express personal opinions to help the campaign. NYT has a hit piece on Hillary (guffaw!) saying she’s untrustworthy because of memogate all the way back to Whitewater? Obviously a campaign contribution using commercial space to express personal opinions to help the Trump campaign. Alred Junior pays money for stories of being grabbed by the hoo-ha? Obviously a campaign contribution to the Hillary campaign. Law firm hires Fusion GPS to hire Steele to pay Russian officials for dirt on Trump? Obviously a campaign contribution (and likely collusion with the Russians to meddle in our election).

    So yes, I have even more problems now with election law than I did before. On top of that, though, we now have naked partisan and unequal application of the law. That’s a much bigger problem.

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  21. A-Squared Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):
    You completely miss the point. The point is the exact same people in charge of the law enforcement approach have treated the two parties in exactly opposite ways! Why is that? Why is their enforcement selective? Why are you so comfortable with that being done to the President of the United States! Hell, the so-called Libertarians here should be outraged! And yet … they are celebrating and high-fiving. Because Trump. Sad.

    I’m outraged that the law enforcement people let the Democrats get off so easily.  Where you and I disagree is that the appropriate response to that scandal is to let Republicans get off so easily.

    I want both political parties to have the law enforced appropriately against them.   You seem to want it enforced against neither or only want it enforced against Democrats.  

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  22. TBA Coolidge
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Compare and contrast the treatment of the lawyers of Hillary Clinton by Comey’s FBI …………….

    Clinton lawyer Cherly Mills leaves the tea & crumpets interview once the FBI broaches an off-limits topic (the emails?!!)

    So, the solution for Democratic politicians committing crimes with impunity is to let Republicans commit crimes with impunity?

    I would prefer that we enforce the law, not ignore it, even when the target is a Republican politician. I recognize that is not the prevailing view on Ricochet, but I refuse to view the law through a blatantly partisan lens.

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    A blog on Powerline today has it right:

    Trump should pardon everyone

    charged in every one of Mueller’s cases

    wherein the allegations have nothing to do with collusion with Russians during the campaign.

    And that would be all of Mueller’s cases.

    If he’s feeling especially magnanimous he might even pardon Mueller. 

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  23. Miffed White Male Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    This is about an investigation that’s finding (to no one’s suprise) massive wrong doing, probably on the part of Donald Trump.

    “Massive”?  I don’t think that word means what you think it does.

    Everything that’s come out so far has been pretty picayunish, and most of what they’ve found predates the Trump campaign.

     

    Most of what they have found about “collusion”  [remember collusion?  It’s what the investigation is supposed to be focused on] is far more applicable to the Dems than to Trump.  But the investigation doesn’t seem to be moving in that direction – at least there have been no indictments announced, or no-knock raids.  I wonder why?

     

     

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  24. Ed G. Member
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    But that’s not what this is about. This is about an investigation that’s finding (to no one’s suprise) massive wrong doing, probably on the part of Donald Trump.

    Oh? Do tell of this massive wrongdoing Mueller’s investigation is turning up.

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  25. TBA Coolidge
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    A-Squared (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    A-Squared (View Comment):
    So, the solution for Democratic politicians committing crimes with impunity is to let Republicans commit crimes with impunity?

    It’s our new system. The big problem is crony-istic socialism is impossible to reverse.

    Again, so your proposed solution is to let Republicans commit crimes witn impunity?

    I disagree that is the best way forward, but I accept that I will never convince Trump’s most ardent supporters of that notion.

    No one has proposed that. 

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  26. Mate De Inactive
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    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    If you want to change the way police powers, prosecutions, and

    Some of us tried to warn you Trump people ahead of time that this man shouldn’t be President. You had to choose to ignore the red flags.

    What Red flags? You think if Hillary Clinton won, they would have investigated her blatant corruption? The corruption of the Clinton Fountain, whose donations seems to have mysteriously dried up after the election, isn’t that interesting. I guess that institution isn’t worth investigating.

     The real problem is that this kind of investigation only goes one way. The Democrats do not get investigated to this extent. Also this kind of precedent at the high levels of government is scary. I’m with Alan Dershowitz on this one.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/09/alan-dershowitz-rips-aclu-silence-michael-cohen-trump-lawyer-office-raid

     

     

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  27. A-Squared Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Is a payment from Cohen to Porny a violation of campaign finance laws? Why? Maybe it’s a business expense; maybe it’s a personal expense – is everything related to a campaign if one is a candidate for office?

    The legal question is, why did Cohen pay her?  If the payment is intended to help the campaign, it is considered an in-kind campaign contribution.  This is not rocket science.  

    Cohen has publicly admitted to paying Ms. Daniels for an NDA that protected Trump, so it wasn’t a personal expense or a business expense.  It’s hard for a rational person to conclude that the payment was not intended to help Trump but that is what the investigation is trying to determine.  

    The campaign can pay her for her silence, Trump can pay her for her silence because the current law says a candidate can contribute an unlimited amount to his campaign.  Cohen can not avoid the limits on campaign contributions by paying directly for something that benefits the campaign.  

    This is not rocket science.  I’m not even a lawyer and I can understand the legal concepts involved here.  

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  28. Fred Cole Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):
    But that’s not what this is about. This is about an investigation that’s finding (to no one’s suprise) massive wrong doing, probably on the part of Donald Trump.

    Oh? Do tell of this massive wrongdoing Mueller’s investigation is turning up.

    I have my guesses, but we’ll find out in few months, won’t we?

    Hopefully it’ll be before the midterms. 

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  29. A-Squared Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    The New Yorker has a puff piece on Hillary? Obviously a campaign contribution using commercial space to express personal opinions to help the campaign. NYT has a hit piece on Hillary (guffaw!) saying she’s untrustworthy because of memogate all the way back to Whitewater? Obviously a campaign contribution using commercial space to express personal opinions to help the Trump campaign. Alred Junior pays money for stories of being grabbed by the hoo-ha? Obviously a campaign contribution to the Hillary campaign. Law firm hires Fusion GPS to hire Steele to pay Russian officials for dirt on Trump? Obviously a campaign contribution (and likely collusion with the Russians to meddle in our election).

    I agree that it is potentially a problem that the media can print favorable stories to clients, but that is why I agree with the Citizens United decision. Corporations are entitled to free speech.

    You know as well as I do that Hillary’s law firm was reimbursed by the campaign for the Steele Dossier. That is precisely why that was not a violation of the campaign finance laws and that is the fundamental difference between that law firm and Cohen. It’s not rocket science.  

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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Some of us tried to warn you Trump people ahead of time that this man shouldn’t be President. You had to choose to ignore the red flags.

    What Red flags?

    ”What red flags?” Are you [expletive] serious?

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